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<WeylandsWings>
idle thought i had today, Nation States will likely be the only ones doing deep space probes (beyond Mars) for quite a while because of the massive capital cost of making a DSN with the giant dishes
<SnoopJ>
also not a lot of value out there for the brainworms-in-space crowd
<SnoopJ>
(I imagine private capital would just rent DSN time?)
<WeylandsWings>
brainworms in space?
<SnoopJ>
I guess it's mostly SpaceX but there have been a few other contenders
<SnoopJ>
and mostly the SpaceX that exists in PR rather than the one that actually exists and services contracts
<WeylandsWings>
SnoopJ: but at the same time, the DSN or a similar system is a bespoke long lead time system. plus you also need it for the prospecting missions to find where the valuable commodities are
<SnoopJ>
you aren't wrong about the first part
<WeylandsWings>
the second part, yeah you might be able to get away with renting the DSN (what does NASA charge though?)
<SnoopJ>
the second part is indistinguishable from SF
<WeylandsWings>
oh?
<WeylandsWings>
there are a handful of companies working on ISRU and mining tech
<WeylandsWings>
while it is still a couple years - decades out, it is coming
<SnoopJ>
and they mostly produce PR
<SnoopJ>
Even Planetary Resources
<WeylandsWings>
expecially once the cost to get to space drops
<SnoopJ>
yea it requires a few shakes of the magic wand to even start thinking about this
<raptop>
There are, though I suspect that ISRU will be like crewed spaceflight in that government agencies (notably NASA) will be monopsonies for a long time
<SnoopJ>
I mean, I guess I wonder: ISRU to what end? At a *minimum* we're talking about rare materials exploitation or something, although it seems more common that people are talking about it for colonization efforts or whatever
<WeylandsWings>
SnoopJ: at the same time ISM is slowing becoming a thing, Made in Space has found a couple things (like ZBlan) that makes sense to make in space and return and Varda Space is about to launch a test manufacturing mission
<WeylandsWings>
like i agree that it isnt there yet, but fully expect it to be a thing within my lifetime