egg|zzz|egg changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Clifford. We currently target 1.2.2, and 1.3.1. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/
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<GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1698: A version of the Newhall approximation that takes a nonconstant degree (master...NonconstantNewhall) https://git.io/vND4M
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<GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNDrI
<GH> Principia/master 4fc7a54 pleroy: A version of the Newhall approximation that takes a nonconstant degree and returns the base class.
<GH> Principia/master c79716b pleroy: After egg's review.
<GH> Principia/master 1accc57 Pascal Leroy: Merge pull request #1698 from pleroy/NonconstantNewhall...
<GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1699: Polynomial serialization, part 1: writing (master...PolynomialSerialization) https://git.io/vNDo3
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<GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1699: Polynomial serialization, part 1: writing (master...PolynomialSerialization) https://git.io/vNDo3
<GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 11 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNDMG
<GH> Principia/master 3c4a447 pleroy: Declarations and proto.
<GH> Principia/master 3e7ed07 pleroy: New serialization of exponents.
<GH> Principia/master 286d64e pleroy: Implement Write.
<GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1700: Polynomial serialization, part 2: reading (master...PolynomialSerialization2) https://git.io/vNDyN
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<GH> Principia/master 94e1cc5 pleroy: Reading the subclasses.
<GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vND9Z
<GH> Principia/master 5c54f4d pleroy: Read implementation.
<GH> Principia/master bd5c670 pleroy: Merge branch 'master' into PolynomialSerialization2
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<GregroxMun> howdy
<GregroxMun> What's the reason why principia doesn't work in atmospheres?
<GregroxMun> Or does it but the stock orbit line is shown
<GregroxMun> Second: is the replacement of the stock orbit lines for planets coming any time soon?
<GregroxMun> Because I have a system idea called DoubleDoubleDouble where the sun is a binary, the homeworld is a binary, and there's a gas giant binary too
<GregroxMun> and orbit lines, particularly for solar orbits, are totally unusable
<GregroxMun> btw, with the ability to change integrator step size, this brilliance is now possible: https://i.imgur.com/AGcBFSg.png
<GregroxMun> So I am very grateful
<awang> GregroxMun: IIRC Principia isn't intended to handle trajectories inside atmospheres yet
<GregroxMun> I know
<GregroxMun> but why
<awang> It hands off control of trajectories to KSP if the vessel is on the surface or in atmosphere
<GregroxMun> what's the limitation
<awang> idk if there's a technical one
<awang> There's work to fix that coming up
<awang> Soon-ish, I think
<awang> I think the limitation was having to deal with additional forces on the vessel beyond gravitational forces
<awang> Since there has to be some coordination between FAR and Principia to get in-atmo stuff working
<awang> I don't know all the details
<awang> IIRC the coordination is because Principia can't incorporate FAR code directly
<awang> Due to licensing fun
<awang> So all communication between the two has to take place through KSP interfaces
<awang> Pretty sure egg is going to smack me for getting stuff wrong
<awang> But that's the impression I got, at least
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<lamont> principia would have to talk to FAR through reflection which would be slow
<egg|anbo|egg> lamont: nah, FAR can set the forces through the same mechanism Principia uses to grab the engine forces
<egg|anbo|egg> and FAR does it, at head
<egg|anbo|egg> but not in Liebe
<lamont> right but that’s why you want that
<egg|anbo|egg> (also there's the issue of RealChute which might also be setting its forces the wrong way, not sure what the status is on that but I seem to recall ferram4 mentioning it)
<egg|anbo|egg> lamont: I mostly don't want to do reflection because I don't want to interact with the codebases of random other mods; if FAR is like engines everything's easy and clean
<lamont> yep
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<GH> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #1701: Benchmark the physics DLL (master...benchmark-ksp-physics) https://git.io/vNDAA
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<awang> egg|anbo|egg: You have some cranky users :P
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<egg|anbo|egg> awang: indeed
<egg|anbo|egg> awang: but I see you're managing them for me :-)
<UmbralRaptor> Flat earth cranky?
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: nah, "mean egg" cranky https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162200--/&page=38&tab=comments#comment-3278501
<awang> egg|anbo|egg: Just trying to keep the end users away from the productive folks :P
<awang> Hopefully I didn't screw up the explanations
<awang> "I installed Principia and it changed things so it sucks and its devs like making players miserable"
<egg|anbo|egg> awang: the explanations are accurate
<awang> :D
<UmbralRaptor> Preferred explanation: stock maneuver nodes assume your ship is propelled by nuclear bombs. Well, a nuclear bomb.