00:06 <Wrecker> Yo, is R-P0 CKAN install working currently? I get an error when trying to select the earth texture after the first click

00:07 <Bornholio> developmental branch works fine with a mostly CKAN'd RO branch and 1.3.1

13:44 <BadRocketsCo> Hmm

13:44 <BadRocketsCo> Oh, nvm. I just realised why a thing didn't work...

13:52 <BadRocketsCo> Ugh...how am I going to get a succesful orbiting probe to jupiter without completely overengineering my rocket

13:53 <BadRocketsCo> And I am rubbish at gravity assists

13:56 <BadRocketsCo> Welp, I guess I just have to build a bigger rocket

14:02 <Bornholio> lol

14:03 <Bornholio> plan a absolute minimum capture then do your swingby planning from that since you can massively reduce dV cost of inclination changes at AP then

14:51 <Starwaster> O/

15:34 <Bornholio> hi

15:43 <Bornholio> starwaster new articles for isru https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20180002995.pdf also had you seen this https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20180002979.pdf starting pg 38 its got a lot of information on Lunar oxygen extraction

17:28 <Starwaster> bornholio I'll check it out

18:03 <Starwaster> bornholio I hadn't seen that specific document on ISRU / Mars. It doesn't tell me much that I didn't already know EXCEPT how much heat is produced.... the current RISRU Sabatier reactors don't produce heat and I wasn't sure how much they should put out so that should help me come up with a decent value

18:03 <Bornholio> good deal

18:08 <Starwaster> something particularly unrealistic about our implementation is the notion that you're going to be able to harvest enough material with drills... that other document kind of reinforces that a bit. You'd need mobile harvesters tearing up the landscape, scraping at least a few inches thick on each pass and feeding it into the processor through hoppers

18:08 <Starwaster> but I think for playability it has to be this way

18:12 <Bornholio> unless you can have some engine for local depletion you can't enforce that

18:12 <Starwaster> bornholio, page 40 gives a mining depth of 5m and several examples as to square mileage...

18:13 <Bornholio> i know its massive too

18:13 <Starwaster> and tons/year... is that soil processed or O2 produced?

18:13 <Bornholio> think 02 production

18:13 <Starwaster> yeah it is

18:14 <Starwaster> I'll have to use those figures and see how that compares to what's in the mod already

18:14 <Starwaster> even if we're stuck witht he notion of sticking drills in the ground

18:15 <Starwaster> I guess just force putting enough drills on there to simulate a miner roving around scraping up the landscape

18:16 <Starwaster> uhm does the stock resource harvester support using up a given area's resources?

18:16 <Bornholio> nope

18:16 <Starwaster> I never much used it before now so I have no idea

18:16 <Starwaster> so you can't exhaust a given region's resources? that sux

18:16 <Bornholio> only used resource is asteriod

18:17 <Bornholio> maybe you could spawn a local potatoriod and use that. seems annoying though

18:30 <Bornholio> starwaster do you think is worth having a catalyst resource being consumed?

18:32 <Bornholio> also reading words "incipient wetness impregnation" .smirk

18:39 <Starwaster> Bornholio catalyst consumption: maybe, undecided

18:39 <Starwaster> I've thought about it before and I'm just not sure it's worth it. It could always be done as an extra-realistic patch

18:40 <Starwaster> optional patch