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<queqiao-> ⟨nvv⟩ quick and dumb question, what ksp version should I install principia on?
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ 1.12.3
<queqiao-> ⟨nvv⟩ would an express install work with it?
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<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ ⟪egg⟫ which revolution, rather. ⮪ Vive la parser.
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<_whitenotifier-81d9> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3432: Fix the memory leaks identified by KSPCommunityFixes - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3432
<queqiao-> ⟨Mayo⟩ So,im starting a new US principia career
<queqiao-> ⟨Mayo⟩ Any tips for offplane moon transfers
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ kOS; there exists two scripts in #script-automation , one by Butcher and one by itsRyan
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ * itsRyan. Both are pinned
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ build a launch site in Guam
<queqiao-> ⟨Mayo⟩ Stonesmile can i install it directly from ckan?
<queqiao-> ⟨Stonesmile⟩ You can get kOS from CKAN, but not the scirpts
<queqiao-> ⟨Mayo⟩ Alright
<queqiao-> ⟨Mayo⟩ Ill check them out
<_whitenotifier-81d9> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3432: Fix the memory leaks identified by KSPCommunityFixes - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3432
<_whitenotifier-81d9> [Principia] pleroy closed issue #3387: Potential memory leaks identified by KSPCommunityFixes - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/3387
<_whitenotifier-81d9> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #3379: Vessel destruction is expensive - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/3379#issuecomment-1229223661
<queqiao-> ⟨KP⟩ I forgot how much I enjoyed Principia after a break from RSS/RO. Thanks for all of your hard work, egg & company.
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ Hi , let me ask first newbie question 🙂 how to make manevuer- i cant slect apoapsis to boost periapsis 😄 how one select manevuer timing ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ enter it in flight planner, or use the control in flight planner, not sure what it's called
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ the one you drag with the mouse.
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ where should i click to point in what place i want to start manevuer
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ t initial field
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ you can either enter numbers or drag the control to the right with the mouse
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ um ok, but .. no clicking on orbit to select first initial approx ?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ no.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ there will be a marker on the orbit though showing where the maneuver starts
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ * though,
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ i can see it - where do i see what would be new orbit data when i'm sliding ?
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ up the plan lenght
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ final orbit analysis?
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ah ok, floating info - ok 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ Mech jeb understands those manuvers ?
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ how to execute it- timing precedence etc ?
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ and what does active engines / rcs ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ active engines/rcs change the duration of the burn, which will very much affect the outcome (final orbit)
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ah so i pick rcs or engien burn ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ you need to activate the engine you plan to use and use active engines
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ or if you will make the maneuver with rcs, then rcs
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ok nice
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ now how do i execute it ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ mechjeb is definitely supposed to be able to execute it
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ but I still haven't tried it
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ and I've seen some complaints that it doesn't work very well.. so just try it
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ just press "execute principia maneuver"
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ well there is no manevuer planner there.. so either research or..
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ under MJ, not in principia
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ but i need to have manevuer planner active right ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ no
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ and I've seen some complaints that it […] ⮪ aiui it works fine if your engines work as advertized, as in stock; with random residuals etc. it can be randomly off
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ otherwise.. i don;t have manevuer indicator
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ok mouse cursos just dissapeared
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ I don’t see the « show on navball » toggle on your screenshot.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ that likely means you haven’t upgraded your tracking station enough for manœuvres to be handled by the stock game, which in turn is a prerequisite for MJ to do something about them.
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ok i think i can try to execute it. I suspect I cannot throttle in non inertial burn ?
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ i'm lucky to have throttlable engine
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ And how to get cursor back ? it seems my ksp lost cursor, it is locked and invisible.. 😦 cannot even save
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ throttlable engines are almost completely useless in RP1, except for landers
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ inertially fixed burn in principia means spin-stabilized
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ like in stock ksp ?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ not sure what is the problem with cursor though 🤔
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ when alt+tab to discord sometimes when switching back to ksp cursor is lost
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ not a principia issue for sure
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ i have two screens and on one ther is full screen ksp but it dissapears anyway when swich focus
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ i know- but since i ask veteran 😄
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ maaaybeeee 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨bajtec⟩ ok restart
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ Hit esc a couple of times usually fixes the cursor for me
<queqiao-> ⟨nvv⟩ uhm...?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Planets rotating around Earth
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ No one reads the wiki m
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ * wiki.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Well, logically, the first thing you do after installing something is to run it. Reading the wiki comes last, when all other options are exhausted
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ Well, logically, the first thing you do […] ⮪ logically, it should be the other way around
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ > Yay, I got a car, let's hop in and get on the highway without going to driving school first!
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ it'
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ Why are blank looks and spamming discord before the wiki?
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ it's a real shame the phrase RTFM has fallen out of use
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ Running stuff first, yeah sure. But making yourself look foolish here should not be a first step.
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ > Yay, I got a car, let's hop in and […] ⮪ If it weren't a legal requirement this would probably happen way more.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Tbf I don't really understand this picture either. Sure, planets rotate around Earth in this frame of reference, but why is pluto for example above all others 🤔
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ In the US you can buy a 1000cc sport bike immediately after getting a motorcycle license
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ Consequently, the average lifespan of sportbikes (and their riders) is extremely low
<queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ You start on a 50cc here
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ i think 125 is more common
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ Tbf I don't really understand this […] ⮪ because that’s where it happens to be on the sky ? remember that the circles are parallel to the equator (as they show the _daily_ motion of the planets) rather than tracing the ecliptic (which you would see in ECI)
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ * ~i think 125 is more common~nvm, apparently A1 minimum age is 17 in the UK, serves me right for assuming a european standard was standardised
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Ah, I see now... it has an inclined orbit and happens to be "above" the entire solar system
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ because that’s where it happens to be […] ⮪ Hm how many days can it actually display in ECEF before running out of segments?
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ yeah; looking at the sky in ECEF is something you never do (because everything moves really fast); sky charts are ECI.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Hm how many days can it actually […] ⮪ not sure, but you will run out of screen real estate before it runs out of segments
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