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⟨nvv⟩ quick and dumb question, what ksp version should I install principia on?
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ 1.12.3
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⟨nvv⟩ would an express install work with it?
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⟨Butcher⟩ ⟪egg⟫ which revolution, rather. ⮪ Vive la parser.
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⟨KP⟩ I forgot how much I enjoyed Principia after a break from RSS/RO. Thanks for all of your hard work, egg & company.
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⟨bajtec⟩ Hi , let me ask first newbie question 🙂 how to make manevuer- i cant slect apoapsis to boost periapsis 😄 how one select manevuer timing ?
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⟨test_account⟩ enter it in flight planner, or use the control in flight planner, not sure what it's called
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⟨test_account⟩ the one you drag with the mouse.
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⟨bajtec⟩ where should i click to point in what place i want to start manevuer
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⟨test_account⟩ t initial field
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⟨test_account⟩ you can either enter numbers or drag the control to the right with the mouse
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⟨bajtec⟩ um ok, but .. no clicking on orbit to select first initial approx ?
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⟨egg⟩ no.
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⟨test_account⟩ there will be a marker on the orbit though showing where the maneuver starts
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⟨test_account⟩ * though,
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⟨bajtec⟩ i can see it - where do i see what would be new orbit data when i'm sliding ?
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⟨pEdro⟩ up the plan lenght
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⟨egg⟩ final orbit analysis?
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⟨bajtec⟩ ah ok, floating info - ok 🙂
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⟨bajtec⟩ Mech jeb understands those manuvers ?
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⟨bajtec⟩ how to execute it- timing precedence etc ?
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⟨bajtec⟩ and what does active engines / rcs ?
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⟨test_account⟩ active engines/rcs change the duration of the burn, which will very much affect the outcome (final orbit)
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⟨bajtec⟩ ah so i pick rcs or engien burn ?
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⟨test_account⟩ you need to activate the engine you plan to use and use active engines
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⟨test_account⟩ or if you will make the maneuver with rcs, then rcs
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⟨bajtec⟩ ok nice
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⟨bajtec⟩ now how do i execute it ?
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⟨test_account⟩ mechjeb is definitely supposed to be able to execute it
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⟨test_account⟩ but I still haven't tried it
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⟨test_account⟩ and I've seen some complaints that it doesn't work very well.. so just try it
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⟨pEdro⟩ just press "execute principia maneuver"
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⟨bajtec⟩ well there is no manevuer planner there.. so either research or..
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⟨pEdro⟩ under MJ, not in principia
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⟨bajtec⟩ but i need to have manevuer planner active right ?
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⟨test_account⟩ no
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ and I've seen some complaints that it […] ⮪ aiui it works fine if your engines work as advertized, as in stock; with random residuals etc. it can be randomly off
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⟨bajtec⟩ otherwise.. i don;t have manevuer indicator
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⟨bajtec⟩ ok mouse cursos just dissapeared
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⟨egg⟩ I don’t see the « show on navball » toggle on your screenshot.
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⟨egg⟩ that likely means you haven’t upgraded your tracking station enough for manœuvres to be handled by the stock game, which in turn is a prerequisite for MJ to do something about them.
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⟨bajtec⟩ ok i think i can try to execute it. I suspect I cannot throttle in non inertial burn ?
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⟨bajtec⟩ i'm lucky to have throttlable engine
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⟨bajtec⟩ And how to get cursor back ? it seems my ksp lost cursor, it is locked and invisible.. 😦 cannot even save
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⟨test_account⟩ throttlable engines are almost completely useless in RP1, except for landers
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⟨test_account⟩ inertially fixed burn in principia means spin-stabilized
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⟨bajtec⟩ like in stock ksp ?
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⟨test_account⟩ not sure what is the problem with cursor though 🤔
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⟨bajtec⟩ when alt+tab to discord sometimes when switching back to ksp cursor is lost
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⟨test_account⟩ not a principia issue for sure
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⟨bajtec⟩ i have two screens and on one ther is full screen ksp but it dissapears anyway when swich focus
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⟨bajtec⟩ i know- but since i ask veteran 😄
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⟨bajtec⟩ maaaybeeee 🙂
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⟨bajtec⟩ ok restart
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⟨Butcher⟩ Hit esc a couple of times usually fixes the cursor for me
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⟨test_account⟩ Planets rotating around Earth
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⟨Butcher⟩ No one reads the wiki m
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⟨Butcher⟩ * wiki.
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⟨test_account⟩ Well, logically, the first thing you do after installing something is to run it. Reading the wiki comes last, when all other options are exhausted
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⟨Vlood⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ Well, logically, the first thing you do […] ⮪ logically, it should be the other way around
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ > Yay, I got a car, let's hop in and get on the highway without going to driving school first!
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⟨Vlood⟩ it'
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⟨Butcher⟩ Why are blank looks and spamming discord before the wiki?
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⟨Vlood⟩ it's a real shame the phrase RTFM has fallen out of use
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⟨Butcher⟩ Running stuff first, yeah sure. But making yourself look foolish here should not be a first step.
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⟨Butcher⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ > Yay, I got a car, let's hop in and […] ⮪ If it weren't a legal requirement this would probably happen way more.
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⟨test_account⟩ Tbf I don't really understand this picture either. Sure, planets rotate around Earth in this frame of reference, but why is pluto for example above all others 🤔
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⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ In the US you can buy a 1000cc sport bike immediately after getting a motorcycle license
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⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ Consequently, the average lifespan of sportbikes (and their riders) is extremely low
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⟨Butcher⟩ You start on a 50cc here
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⟨Vlood⟩ i think 125 is more common
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ Tbf I don't really understand this […] ⮪ because that’s where it happens to be on the sky ? remember that the circles are parallel to the equator (as they show the _daily_ motion of the planets) rather than tracing the ecliptic (which you would see in ECI)
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⟨Vlood⟩ * ~i think 125 is more common~nvm, apparently A1 minimum age is 17 in the UK, serves me right for assuming a european standard was standardised
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⟨test_account⟩ Ah, I see now... it has an inclined orbit and happens to be "above" the entire solar system
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⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪egg⟫ because that’s where it happens to be […] ⮪ Hm how many days can it actually display in ECEF before running out of segments?
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⟨egg⟩ yeah; looking at the sky in ECEF is something you never do (because everything moves really fast); sky charts are ECI.
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⟨egg⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Hm how many days can it actually […] ⮪ not sure, but you will run out of screen real estate before it runs out of segments