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<raptop>
paculino: have you been a good bing?
<paculino>
Apparently I sound like Siri
<queqiao->
⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Yeah, 鹊桥IRC is the bot ⮪ Yeah where are those guys like Paculino and Raptop chatting?
<paculino>
I use an xmpp-irc bridge
<raptop>
irc.esper.net
<paculino>
I am messaging xmpp:#principia%irc.esper.net@bouba.p7.co.nz?join
<raptop>
(in irssi)
<queqiao->
⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ what
<queqiao->
⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ how do i even access that
<paculino>
I use gajim, and sometimes dino
<paculino>
Konversation also works to go directly to irc
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ -This is all described in the FAQ.
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Continuation from #ro-general Cirelion I went into orbit and tried to make a manouver to the moon. Honestly... the only thing that went well was creating the manouver. Actually getting it to intercept the moon didnt happen
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Idk why but the orbit stopped very close to earth and didnt show the rest
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Did you use the lunar planner?
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Lunar what
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ I'll take that as a no, in Principia the inclination of the moon isn't just launch east and you're done. You need to properly launch into the plane of the moon, there's a good mod that checks the proper TTL for you. It's called Lunar Transfer Planner
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ I just did launch into plane with mechjeb
<queqiao->
⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪Grzewik⟫ Idk why but the orbit stopped very […] ⮪ You need to set the flight plan duration correctly
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Ah I read over that part, yes
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ God, i would really love if there was a video explaining it...
<queqiao->
⟨siimav⟩ I'm totally imagining 🥚 in front of a whiteboard right now 😳
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Read through this part first so you have some general understand of the difference
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ The part about manual manoeuvers is incorrect as you can use MJ to actually execute the manoeuver
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Done
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ So from what i understand. There arent manouver nodes?
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ * any manouver nodes anymore?
<queqiao->
⟨rnlahaye⟩ There are manoeuvers, which are sort of like manouver nodes
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Everything related to planning happens in the Principia ui tself, you don't have the typical nodes on your orbital lines like in stock
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Whats this dashed-line around the earth? I did my burn so idk what it is
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ That your flight plan before your burn, hit rebase in the planner
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ It'll _rebase_ the flight plan lines on top of your actual orbital lines
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh so its like a marker so i see where i started from after i do my manouver?
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ You can see it that way, sure haha
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright. I hope this doesnt kill me in the future. Ill propably go back to career once i do atleast 1 interplanetary mission with Principia. Propably a Mars lander or smth
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Try a lunar flyby before you go interplanetary I'd say
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ And see what I told you? Suprisingly easy to learn no?
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ ⟪Cirelion⟫ Try a lunar flyby before you go […] ⮪ Oh for sure. Defineatly will land on the moon aswell before i do interplanetary. I wana do the missions i've already done in RSS but with principia.
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ ⟪Cirelion⟫ And see what I told you? Suprisingly […] ⮪ Yeah, not that hard i guess... This time atleast im not randomly clicking buttons and wondering why i dont see anything 🤣
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Um, i have accidentally made a target orbit....
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh nvm, I targeted my 2nd stage
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright, I guess that wasnt too hard, I guess..... Moon flyby time?
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Go nuts I'd say, don't forget to launch using LTP
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ So just input the stuff from it into Mechjeb? Is that the gameplan?
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ launch due east when it says the window is now
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ then plan the maneuver to flyby the moon in principia
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ mechjeb can maybe execute the maneuver but that's it
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ actually if you launch from Kourou you can do it without LTP
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ I kinda wannu....... Atleast ill learn how to do it.
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ The point is that he learns though, shouldn't he try it with LTP just to learn the process
<queqiao->
⟨egg⟩ to learn LTP that makes sense. But launching stock-style but into the orange navball teaches the MEO reference frame.
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Doesn't LTP do that too? You still need to play with those once you start planning right?
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Fair enough, he'll have to play with the reference frames regardless. It'd depend on if he ever wants to launch from different places than Kourou
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Propably
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ * Propably, I'd want to return to the cape when i get gud
<queqiao->
⟨Cirelion⟩ Up to you essentially, you can also try using it once you actually get to that point. Or you do it now, doesn't really matter that much I guess
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Wouldn't Mechjeb be easier to use to get into a parking orbit before TLI?
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ yes, get into the parking orbit as usual, with mechjeb PVG
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ you just don't enter anything from lunar transfer planner there
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ LTP window means you need to launch due east, that is, inclination = your launchsite's latitude
<queqiao->
⟨Grzewik⟩ Ohhhhh, I thought i had to use it at launch. Makes more sense now....
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ LTP only tells when it's time to launch
<queqiao->
⟨test_account⟩ (or alternatively, it tells what inclination to launch to if you want to launch now, without waiting for a window)