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<raptop> paculino: have you been a good bing?
<paculino> Apparently I sound like Siri
<queqiao-> ⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Yeah, 鹊桥IRC is the bot ⮪ Yeah where are those guys like Paculino and Raptop chatting?
<paculino> I use an xmpp-irc bridge
<raptop> irc.esper.net
<paculino> I am messaging xmpp:#principia%irc.esper.net@bouba.p7.co.nz?join
<raptop> (in irssi)
<queqiao-> ⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ what
<queqiao-> ⟨Proton | Mod.ROTanks Protester⟩ how do i even access that
<paculino> I use gajim, and sometimes dino
<paculino> Konversation also works to go directly to irc
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<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3531: Renamespace the base project - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3531
<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3532: Try to fix errors found by Clang - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3532
<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3532: Try to fix errors found by Clang - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3532
<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3533: Fix the version generation script on Linux - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3533
<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3533: Fix the version generation script on Linux - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3533
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪paculino⟫ Konversation also works to go directly […] ⮪ EsperNet also has a web client.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Of course, this is all described in the FAQ This is all described in the FAQ. https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Installing,-reporting-bugs,-and-frequently-asked-questions#principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ -This is all described in the FAQ.
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Continuation from #ro-general Cirelion I went into orbit and tried to make a manouver to the moon. Honestly... the only thing that went well was creating the manouver. Actually getting it to intercept the moon didnt happen
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Idk why but the orbit stopped very close to earth and didnt show the rest
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Did you use the lunar planner?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Lunar what
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ I'll take that as a no, in Principia the inclination of the moon isn't just launch east and you're done. You need to properly launch into the plane of the moon, there's a good mod that checks the proper TTL for you. It's called Lunar Transfer Planner
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ I just did launch into plane with mechjeb
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪Grzewik⟫ Idk why but the orbit stopped very […] ⮪ You need to set the flight plan duration correctly
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Ah I read over that part, yes
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ God, i would really love if there was a video explaining it...
<queqiao-> ⟨siimav⟩ I'm totally imagining 🥚 in front of a whiteboard right now 😳
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪siimav⟫ I'm totally imagining 🥚 in front of a […] ⮪ Enjoy https://youtu.be/Py6ode0LF2c
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Noo, I wanted to see the heptagon. I'm too lazy to do it myself, why do you torture me so
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright, Ill install Principia again, I just dont know where to start 😢
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Start with some basic orbital manouvers, like extending periapsis to just know how the planner itself works
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Then try a moon flyby with the lunar planner
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ If you are starting a new game, try sandbox from Kourou
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ So hold on, Install principia.... Lunar planner is another mod or part of principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Seperate mod, highly recommended if you use principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Is it on ckan?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Yes
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Lunar Transfer Planner is its exact name
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Done
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Now start the game in a sandbox at korou?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ * kourou?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright im at the pad
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ I guess ill launch with a tiny bit of inclination
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪Grzewik⟫ I guess ill launch with a tiny bit of […] ⮪ There still seems to be some confusion
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ ?
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ Not sure what you mean by a tiny bit of inclination
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ I launched into orbit from Kourou to an inclination of 7 degrees so i can start playing around with the tools in Principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ Ah sorry, I thought you were still looking to transfer to the Moon
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Well I do want to do that. I just don't think i know enough of principia to do that yet
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ One step at a time haha
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ ⟪Cirelion⟫ One step at a time haha ⮪ exactly
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Okay, lets try making a manouver to raise my apoapsis
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ how would i plan that? I know i can do it manually but I wana try with the principia manouver thingy
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Read through this part first so you have some general understand of the difference
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ The part about manual manoeuvers is incorrect as you can use MJ to actually execute the manoeuver
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Done
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ So from what i understand. There arent manouver nodes?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ * any manouver nodes anymore?
<queqiao-> ⟨rnlahaye⟩ There are manoeuvers, which are sort of like manouver nodes
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Everything related to planning happens in the Principia ui tself, you don't have the typical nodes on your orbital lines like in stock
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ What does this mean?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ I actually didn't know this either 😄
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright I've done this
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ How do I execute it now?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Either manually, or check show on navball and execute using MJ
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ OH so when i click that, then I can point at the manouver node and do it?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Cool
<queqiao-> ⟨scimas⟩ And you do not need a 41 days of flight plan for an AP raising maneouver.
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Yes, as a side-note. Your plan length is way too long.
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ What does Plan length do?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ It defines the length of your flight plan 🙂
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ OH
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ I see
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Holy shit this is
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ fucking good
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Shit is good but f@$%% too bad?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ dan
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ * damn
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Indeed it is lol
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Yeah I tend to curse ocassionally but I've literally never had a warning myself. I guess the words I use are okay
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ I believe that was put in place when people started getting unusually sweary in the lead-up to a launch
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ No, the bot has been there for a while. But the actual deletion is new
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ HOLY $#^^ WATER TOWERS CAN FLY!!!!
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ 😂
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ +warning
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ _slaps Grzewik around a bit with a large trout_
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Hitting minors is illegal
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh for gods sake
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ why did they delete my gif
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Grzewik, please bear the #rules in mind
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ alright
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ no GIFs here, and please try to post complete sentences, instead of splitting them across messages.
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (well, no reaction GIFs. I have posted animated GIFs of the equipotentials of the Earth-Moon system, that is fine.)
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Grzewik, please bear the #rules in mind, in particular #2 and #3 of the July 2020 Addendum.
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Intresting observation. The DeltaV in the manouver doesnt change while im burning.....
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Whats this dashed-line around the earth? I did my burn so idk what it is
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ That your flight plan before your burn, hit rebase in the planner
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ It'll _rebase_ the flight plan lines on top of your actual orbital lines
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh so its like a marker so i see where i started from after i do my manouver?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ You can see it that way, sure haha
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright. I hope this doesnt kill me in the future. Ill propably go back to career once i do atleast 1 interplanetary mission with Principia. Propably a Mars lander or smth
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Try a lunar flyby before you go interplanetary I'd say
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ And see what I told you? Suprisingly easy to learn no?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ ⟪Cirelion⟫ Try a lunar flyby before you go […] ⮪ Oh for sure. Defineatly will land on the moon aswell before i do interplanetary. I wana do the missions i've already done in RSS but with principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ ⟪Cirelion⟫ And see what I told you? Suprisingly […] ⮪ Yeah, not that hard i guess... This time atleast im not randomly clicking buttons and wondering why i dont see anything 🤣
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Um, i have accidentally made a target orbit....
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh nvm, I targeted my 2nd stage
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright, I guess that wasnt too hard, I guess..... Moon flyby time?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Go nuts I'd say, don't forget to launch using LTP
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ So just input the stuff from it into Mechjeb? Is that the gameplan?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ launch due east when it says the window is now
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ then plan the maneuver to flyby the moon in principia
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ mechjeb can maybe execute the maneuver but that's it
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ actually if you launch from Kourou you can do it without LTP
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ I kinda wannu....... Atleast ill learn how to do it.
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ The point is that he learns though, shouldn't he try it with LTP just to learn the process
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ to learn LTP that makes sense. But launching stock-style but into the orange navball teaches the MEO reference frame.
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Doesn't LTP do that too? You still need to play with those once you start planning right?
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Fair enough, he'll have to play with the reference frames regardless. It'd depend on if he ever wants to launch from different places than Kourou
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Propably
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ * Propably, I'd want to return to the cape when i get gud
<queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Up to you essentially, you can also try using it once you actually get to that point. Or you do it now, doesn't really matter that much I guess
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Wouldn't Mechjeb be easier to use to get into a parking orbit before TLI?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ yes, get into the parking orbit as usual, with mechjeb PVG
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ you just don't enter anything from lunar transfer planner there
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ LTP window means you need to launch due east, that is, inclination = your launchsite's latitude
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Ohhhhh, I thought i had to use it at launch. Makes more sense now....
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ LTP only tells when it's time to launch
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ (or alternatively, it tells what inclination to launch to if you want to launch now, without waiting for a window)
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright, Lets try this. Free return?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ looks like it but check moon periapsis, free returns tend to have high Pe (
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ yeah it does
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Alright Im actually doing it! TLI with Principia!
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Will Mechjeb automaticly stop the burn?
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Oh God Dammit, There is an " Execute Principia node". That would have propably been more accurate
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ yes this should be used
<queqiao-> ⟨Grzewik⟩ Don't have time to do it now, Will try tomorrow. Anyway. Thanks guys for the help!
<_whitenotifier-4a58> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #3534: A test that computes the length of the year - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3534
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