raptop changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
<SnoopJeDi>
I hated the semantic whitespace for years, but I've turned a corner and think it's fantastic now
<SnoopJeDi>
(once I realized it makes brace-style arguments literally not possible)
<egg|zzz|egg>
in deed,the p rop er attitude to wa rdswh ite s p a c eandca Se isTh e FOr trAn OnE
<whitequark>
egg are you high
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<UmbralRaptor>
Zürich is pretty low altitude, though
<egg|zzz|egg>
whitequark: not that i know of
* UmbralRaptor
is of the opinion that Python's whitespace rules improve readability, so they have clear value!
<galois>
[WIKIPEDIA] Hollerith constant | "Hollerith constants, named in honor of Herman Hollerith, were used in early FORTRAN programs to allow manipulation of character data.Early FORTRAN had no CHARACTER data type, only numeric types. In order to perform character manipulation, characters needed to be placed into numeric variables using..."
<kmath>
<slava_pestov> @johnregehr @stephentyrone @jfbastien @clattner_llvm The Forth community has more implementations than programmers… https://t.co/Kl0grJwVYT
<SnoopJeDi>
I had no idea there was one but that tickles me. NQC was my first 'real' language.
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<SnoopJeDi>
(not that BASIC wasn't real, but I never wrote any programs of complexity worth mentioning)
<egg|zzz|egg>
pbForth
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<egg|zzz|egg>
yeah I remember NQC
<SnoopJeDi>
I grew bored with the visual programming interface fast, Dad hooked me up with the relevant O'Reilly book, and my brain hasn't been the same since.
<egg|zzz|egg>
iirc NQC was for the native firmware, whereas pbForth required flashing a new one (over IR, yay)
<SnoopJeDi>
yea I only ever did stuff with native
<SnoopJeDi>
I do vaguely recall some bizarre thing where you spoke assembler to it over the IR via the COM port, but my understanding of computers was not well-developed enough for "look everything you're doing is basically feeding a bunch of numbers to this machine anyway"
<SnoopJeDi>
it was beyond my grasp
<whitequark>
oh god nqc
<SnoopJeDi>
omg it *was* pbFORTH
<SnoopJeDi>
no wonder it didn't stick
<SnoopJeDi>
found a copy of the book on libgen because it was driving me a little crazy to have a fuzzy remembrance of it
<egg>
whitequark: i remember phl and i wrote a barcode reader (interleaved 2-of-5) in nqc
<egg>
hm, since the source is all in english and has dates going back to 2004 it's probably mostly phl
<egg>
oh there's some code in french earlier on that also seems to be doing barcode things (but it's very poorly commented)
<whitequark>
mmm
<egg|zzz|egg>
e = 0.000658301 km (from integrated osculating a & ℓ)
<egg|zzz|egg>
wtf
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: I get eggsactly the same value for e if I use ſ_ℓ_dt instead of ſ_b_dt?
<egg|zzz|egg>
whitequark: arguably a lot of things are in weird places in these animals
* UmbralRaptor
misread the context, and assumed rectum as in Semilatus rectum
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: well, soles are sort of ellipsoidal
<UmbralRaptor>
hm
<UmbralRaptor>
osculating sole
<egg|zzz|egg>
e = 0.000600369 km (from integrated osculating a & r_pe) blaargh
<egg|zzz|egg>
also I should remove that "km" from the trace, wtf
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: why does mean e behave so differently from mean a anyway
<egg|zzz|egg>
also is there a way to integrate something to get a sensible mean e :-/
<egg|zzz|egg>
how is it 4 in the morning
<SnoopJeDi>
!how
<galois>
SnoopJeDi: 464
<egg|zzz|egg>
um
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wat
<galois>
egg|zzz|egg: I only know about subway subs
<SnoopJeDi>
hahah I forgot that was still in there
<SnoopJeDi>
another instance has !what but it only responded to "!what is the subway sub of the day" or something
<SnoopJeDi>
and I guess I never removed it
<SnoopJeDi>
!what is the subway sub of the day
<galois>
SnoopJeDi: The Subway sub of the day is Meatball Marinara
<SnoopJeDi>
good to know I guess
<SnoopJeDi>
don't even know if they still *do* that
<egg|zzz|egg>
in case someone was wondering what happens with exotic means:
<egg|zzz|egg>
e = 0.000540157 (from integrated log osculating e)
<egg|zzz|egg>
e = 0.000482358 (from integrated inverse osculating e)
<egg|zzz|egg>
(recall that a sensible mean e here should be 0.000 095)
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<egg>
!wpn mofh, whitequark, et al.
* galois
gives mofh, whitequark, et al. a yttrium holmium integral
<UmbralRaptor>
median osculating e?
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: nah the mean e in that eggsample is smaller than all osculating e
<UmbralRaptor>
ah
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: also the mean a is smaller than all distances from the geocentre, but that can be achieved by just averaging the osculating a
<egg|zzz|egg>
circular orbits are weird
<egg>
!wpn mofh
* galois
gives mofh a copper linac
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<mofh>
!wpn egg
* galois
gives egg a einsteinium stratocumulus Paris-Brest
<kmath>
<whitequark> @bofh453 ok but it uses the deprecated ℃ and ℉ characters so it's actually terrible.
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: I wonder where the order y,x of the 2-parameter arctangent comes from
<egg|zzz|egg>
in a vacuum it's silly (and e.g. Mathematica does x,y, so it's not quite universal), is it just because y/x?
<mofh>
pretty sure, yeah.
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh_: !!!!! e = 9.70138e-05 (from integrated eccentricity vector)
<egg|zzz|egg>
is that the solution?!
<mofh>
WTF I WAS NOT EGGSPECTING THAT TO WORK???
<egg|zzz|egg>
also is that a way to get a value for ω
<egg|zzz|egg>
that's pretty close to 9,5⏨-5 in any case
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: also ⏨ best eggpsonent character
<egg|zzz|egg>
all hail ГОСТ 10859
<egg|zzz|egg>
also ALGOL
<egg|zzz|egg>
!u ⏨
<galois>
⏨: U+23e8 DECIMAL EXPONENT SYMBOL
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: and ω = 88.2448 (from integrated eccentricity vector), so that might even be viable? though that one has secular variation so this would have to be sliced by revolution and the secular variation eggstracted or something
<egg|zzz|egg>
compare ω = +89.64(13)° from the non-spurious perigees
<egg|zzz|egg>
also 81.3 from Spiridonova et al. (and we're probably not looking at the same time period so I can believe that this could have varied)
<egg|zzz|egg>
mofh: so averaging a, e cos ω, e sin ω works well; i works decently, but at this point I'm wondering whether equinoctial elements might not be more appropriate
<egg|zzz|egg>
that would then be a, e cos ϖ, e sin ϖ, tg (i/2) cos Ω, tg (i/2) sin Ω
<egg|zzz|egg>
that's ill-behaved for retrograde orbits though
<kmath>
<rogerclark> these two activities produce exactly the same conscious experience: ⏎ - C++ template metaprogramming ⏎ - doing mushrooms at OfficeMax
<kmath>
<bofh453> WTF: the " What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets." from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night EN is actual… https://t.co/58lHxHpsVL
<egg|zzz|egg>
ня
<egg|zzz|egg>
!choose mean elements|sleep
<galois>
egg|zzz|egg: Your options: mean elements, sleep. My choice: mean elements