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<SnoopJeDi> !8
<galois> SnoopJeDi: yes
<SnoopJeDi> RIP
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn -add:adj milk chocolate
<galois> Added adj 'milk chocolate'
<SnoopJeDi> !wpn -add:adj chocolate
<galois> Entry already exists!
<SnoopJeDi> as well it should
<egg> WeylandsWings: I would expect smaller error bars (more directly traceable to astrometry)
<WeylandsWings> egg: sure, but unless you are using s super narrow FoV you should have enough stars to do a good plate solve
<egg> yeah fair point
<egg> WeylandsWings: also, how good can orbit determination from optical observations get in practice
<egg> (also unrelatedly should I make a салют 7 in lego)
<egg> (or a мир)
<WeylandsWings> i think мир is a better choice. and idk i think pretty good, depends on the processing flow and how long of a track you got
<UmbralRaptop> mofh: more of a bunch of chocolate flavored things
<UmbralRaptop> custard - good, coffee - bad, cream soda - weird
<UmbralRaptop> skipped the alcohol
<egg> WeylandsWings: мир itself is more intricate/bigger, but I like the attention to detail on that салют 7 model: https://kaerodot.gitlab.io/lego-rocket-mocs/img/MOCmoppew40kmir.jpg https://kaerodot.gitlab.io/lego-rocket-mocs/img/MOCtechnieksalyutkosmossoyuz.jpg
<egg> those panneaux solaires on салют are delightful
<egg> why did I type solar panels in french
<WeylandsWings> but on мир you can make a shuttle and a Soyuz to dock with it
<egg> yeah and contrary to the ISS it's still manageable at a 1:110 scale
<egg> (obvious answer, both :-p)
<UmbralRaptop> egg: make a Salyut 7, and then convert it to a Мир core
<egg> Several people made Заря at 1:110
<egg> but I don't think anybody made the rest of the ISS :-p
<WeylandsWings> egg: you see the new ISS set Lego is coming out with
<egg> yeah
<egg> I should probably get it
<egg> it's at a much smaller scale obviously
<egg> 1:110 has been a very popular scale since that's the scale of their Saturn V
<egg> so lots of rockets have been made at that scale
<egg> ordered some parts for a Long March 2F and a Союз
<WeylandsWings> egg: did you see the LUT?
<egg> yeah there are several
<egg> my father want to try building the one by Chambers https://kaerodot.gitlab.io/lego-rocket-mocs/img/MOCjosephchamberslut.jpg
<egg> also someone made a really nice-looking patch for the S-II/S-IVB interstage, to give it the correct roll markings https://kaerodot.gitlab.io/lego-rocket-mocs/img/MOCXsaturniisaturnivbinterstage.jpg
<egg> that page has a nice catalogue of many of the things that have been done https://kaerodot.gitlab.io/lego-rocket-mocs/
<galois> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<WeylandsWings> mt wallet is going to hate you
<egg> yeah that can be a side effect
<WeylandsWings> egg: how much is that LUT if i dont have any pieces
<egg> the LUT is very likely on the order of a kilodollar; Мир or Салют are less than a hundred
<WeylandsWings> i have the Saturn V and kinda want the LUT to display it well
<egg> The Союз rocket can be anomalously costly for its part count because the orange cylinders are rare
<egg> I'm going to experiment with alternative ways to render that colour scheme
<WeylandsWings> Союз ?
<WeylandsWings> i should have known
<WeylandsWings> i am a bit suprised there isnt a Depnr or Zenit
<egg> there are two протон versions (one a derivative of the other)
<egg> and tech_niek who made the Союз made a bunch of its cousins
<WeylandsWings> of course there are протон
<egg> hm how big would a 1:110 ISS actually be
<WeylandsWings> 1 m long
<egg> that's not actually *that* insane, that's the same length as the Saturn V
<WeylandsWings> 1 m by .66 m by ? based on solar array orientation
<egg> rather more bulky though, because of the other dimensions
<WeylandsWings> well the 1 m is the axis of the solar array truss
<WeylandsWings> the 0.66 and depth all depends on array orientation
<egg> yeah, but I mean the solar panels are longer than the Saturn V is wide
<egg> hence bulkier model
<egg> but not *insanely* big
<egg> just big
<WeylandsWings> i think part of the issue is how to make the panels themselves, as making them out of bricks would be hard as hell with the weight
<egg> yeah it's tricky to support them over such a large surface
<egg> WeylandsWings: obvious solution: build it in orbit
<WeylandsWings> i mean the simplest thing is to use pleated paper sheets
<WeylandsWings> still need gound supports under the ends of the truss and possibly the ends on the panel booms
<WeylandsWings> as I dont think you could make them stiff enough with common parts
<egg> WeylandsWings: well, the LEGO set manages to make them sturdy enough with two plate thicknesses (although they are half the size compared to 1:110) https://scdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/legoiss-1280x720.jpg
<WeylandsWings> egg: weight goes up as cube of dimension
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<egg> WeylandsWings: it's more complicated: that model eggsagerates the width (primarily for aesthetic reasons, to get contrasting colours on the two sides of the panel), so you could keep it constant and make weight increase like the square
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<egg> WeylandsWings: so I think you're looking at 95 g for the two blankets of a wing
<WeylandsWings> to the 1:110 scale?
<egg> yeah
<WeylandsWings> does that include the boom and end caps?
<egg> nah, because the boom design needs to be adapted to the larger scale and higher loading
<WeylandsWings> because if you can make that IRC and make a MOC out of it a lot of space nerds will be happy
<egg> a single axle isn't going to cut it, but you have room for several
<egg> make that IRC :-p
<WeylandsWings> ...
<WeylandsWings> IRL
<WeylandsWings> you know what i meant
<egg> yes :D
<egg> would be fun to do some prototyping of a wing at least
<WeylandsWings> i think the wings are the issue stopping most people from making a MOC of the ISS at 1:110 Scale
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<galois> title: astro-ph-leaks on Twitter: "ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TEXTS FOR ALL THE VARIOUS LIBRARIES YOU USE, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT CAREFUL, THIS SECTION COULD END UP LONGER THAN THE PAPER!"
<galois> title: Betelgeuse Status (@betelbot) | Twitter
* egg meows at UmbralRaptop
<UmbralRaptop> egg: can you make Betelgeuse eggsplode?
* egg meows at Betelgeuse
* UmbralRaptop assumes that egg uses this https://twitter.com/erikcorry/status/1222976250978930690
<galois> title: ᎬᎡᎥᏦ on Twitter: "The first Unix I used had a version of cat that would wait 5 seconds for input and then write "Meow" on the terminal to alert you that it was waiting.… https://t.co/XZ5p8H447W"
<egg> mrow
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<egg> !wpn whitequark
* galois gives whitequark an apocalypse
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptop
* galois gives UmbralRaptop a Windows pastie
<egg> !wpn WeylandsWings
* galois gives WeylandsWings a garnet 🔪
<WeylandsWings> !wpn egg
* galois gives egg a compact sharp antibody with a proposal attachment
<galois> title: Victor C. 🌌 on Twitter: "#Betelgeuse is playing with my nerves 🤪 It goes brighter, and then it dims again, and it dims even more (1.666 😱)! And I trust these data, they come from PTOB (@tpolakis).So what the hell is going on with her??GO #SUPERNOVA OR ACT NORMALLY. I'm calm 🧘‍♂️… https://t.co/2Oq81KZYD2"
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<egg> whitequark: TIL about non-letter drive letters Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg> WHITEQ~1
<whitequark> oh no, LFN
<egg> !acr -add:LFN Long FileName
<galois> Definition added!
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<egg> !choose food|not food
<galois> egg: Your options: food, not food. My choice: food
<mofh> my choice is also Food
<mofh> :p
<egg> mofh: but what food
<egg> !choose egg|salmon|something else
<galois> egg: Your options: egg, salmon, something else. My choice: egg
<egg> hmm
<mofh> hm, do you have uhh tarama
<egg> mofh: nah I have salmon though
<UmbralRaptop> !8 does a coronavirus cause anomalous heating?
<galois> UmbralRaptop: yes
<gruetzkopf> hmm
<gruetzkopf> i wonder if dcpromo will let me setup a domain on [:\
<egg> !wpn gruetzkopf
* galois gives gruetzkopf a jagged panzerfaust
<gruetzkopf> hm, can i boot off [:\
<mofh> prolly not, since it's a SUBSTed volume
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