egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://git.io/JqLs2 | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf | Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/kspacademia
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<egg|anbo|egg__> Iskierka: nobody has a hardware *cube* root
<egg|anbo|egg__> but if you are talking about the rsqrt, see Steve's point that absent the fast inverse cube root in hardware, a precise square root and division are generally faster
<egg|anbo|egg__> the tradeoff of the fast inverse square root thing relies on the other FP operations being much faster than the division and square root, which is not as much the case as it used to be
<egg|anbo|egg__> Iskierka: the broader point is that these tradeoffs change all the time, so must be re-evaluated if they are used after a long time
<egg|anbo|egg__> Iskierka: re. computing a cube root, see file://childeric/Users/robin/projects/mockingbirdnest/Principia/documentation/cbrt.pdf (WIP)
<raptop> uh
<egg|anbo|egg__> raptop: meow?
<egg|anbo|egg__> !wpn raptop
* galois gives raptop a hadron
<egg|anbo|egg__> !wpn Iskierka
* galois gives Iskierka a switch
<raptop> egg|anbo|egg__: !wpn egg|anbo|egg__
<egg|anbo|egg__> !wpn smkz
* galois gives smkz a bulshytt subcritical cake
<raptop> egg|anbo|egg__: I don't see the file in https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/tree/master/documentation
<galois> title: Principia/documentation at master · mockingbirdnest/Principia · GitHub
<egg|anbo|egg__> oh right I linked to the file on my machine derp
<egg|anbo|egg__> raptop: it is not there because it is under review
<galois> title: Principia/cbrt.pdf at cbrt-documentation · eggrobin/Principia · GitHub
<egg|anbo|egg__> 31 references
<egg|anbo|egg__> two of which are twitter threads,
<raptop> Remove Before Flight
<raptop> hah
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<Iskierka> part of the point that there are faster computations now is suggesting that pipelining is much of the advantage. I'd debate whether a processor that lacks a sqrt (while having float support at all at all) would be modern enough to pipeline given it's at least 35 years old
<Iskierka> though fair that combined ops like FMA do reduce the advantage anyway
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<egg|cell|egg> Iskierka: to the contrary, pipelining plays against a sqrt followed by div, and in favour of polynomials
<egg|cell|egg> But div and sqrt are not as slow as they used to be in comparison to mul and add
<egg|cell|egg> 1/sqrt cannot benefit from pipelining, it is a serial dependency
<egg|cell|egg> But with Estrin evaluation polynomials can
<egg|cell|egg> (avoid Horner like the plague obviously)
<egg|cell|egg> The question is not sqrt support mind you; it is rsqrt
<egg|cell|egg> (yes you will have that if you have SSE, but even if you don't use it you still shouldn't do that ancient trick anymore)
<egg|cell|egg> (rsqrtss)
<egg|cell|egg> Whitequark: how are the cats
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<raptop> huh, I didn't realize that Kepler-70b was doutbful now
<UmbralRaptop> SnoopJ: apparently Duo has some silly wordplay https://photos.app.goo.gl/c92tPmcShEVrjqHo6
<galois> title: Shared album - Patrick N - Google Photos
<SnoopJ> Duo has some ideas about 日本語 in general it seems
<SnoopJ> (not that I've been doing any lately >_>)
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<raptop> Hrm, there's a corvid yelling outside
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<raptop> astronomers naming things: https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.14782
<galois> title: [2104.14782] TOI-269 b: An eccentric sub-Neptune transiting a M2 dwarf revisited with ExTrA
<raptop> にゃあ〜
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<Iskierka> 猫はいいけど、猫娘はもっといいよ
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<raptop> hah
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<egg|anbo|egg_> !wpn Iskierka
* galois gives Iskierka a sulphurous autocorrelation
<egg|anbo|egg_> !wpn whitequark
* galois gives whitequark a safe with a 壺 attachment
<egg|anbo|egg_> !wpn smkz
* galois gives smkz a CH interpolation
<Iskierka> !wpn egg
* galois gives egg a long velocity
<Iskierka> is that another way of saying a slow rotation
<raptop> !wpn egg|anbo|egg_ && Iskierka
* galois gives egg|anbo|egg_ && Iskierka a stratocumulus amphoteric grid
<raptop> !wpn -add:adj atmospheric
<galois> Added adj 'atmospheric'
<Iskierka> !wpn -add:adj exospheric
<galois> Added adj 'exospheric'
<Iskierka> !wpn raptop
* galois gives raptop a RISC shredded sparrow with a RCS attachment
<raptop> The sparrow was shredded due to a glitch in the processor causing it to spin up well past breakup velocity
<Iskierka> !wpn add glitch
* galois gives add glitch a modern mechanism
<Iskierka> !wpn -add glitch
<galois> Invalid command. Valid forms: !wpn, !wpn someone, !wpn -add:wpn morphism, !wpn -add:adj IEEE 754, !wpn -del:wpn trout, !wpn -del:adj symmetric
<Iskierka> !wpn -add:wpn glitch
<galois> Added wpn 'glitch'
<Iskierka> what is the breakup velocity of a sparrow
<raptop> Quite possibly higher for the birb than the AIM-9
<raptop> "Among the stars and brown dwarfs [within 10 pc], we estimate that around 61% are M stars..."
<raptop> 0 O stars, 0 B stars, 4 A stars
* egg|anbo|egg_ meows at whitequark
<egg|anbo|egg_> whitequark: how are the cats
<egg|anbo|egg_> also the cognition
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<whitequark> egg|anbo|egg: pretty good
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<egg> :3
<egg> whitequark: please pet
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<raptop> Today in astronomers doing data science, a table available in CSV, JSON, DAT, FITS, ODS, and XLSX formats
<egg|anbo|egg_> hmm, Principia has no FITS parser
<egg|anbo|egg_> but it has an SP3 parser
<egg|anbo|egg_> so there is that
<raptop> You should find an excuse to have data stored in FITS tables
<raptop> mow
<raptop> proposal: a paper where you mess with someone by having cites of Bessel (1838) and Bessell (2005)