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* Iskierka
wonders if there's a way to interlock tiles such that, on an o'neil cylinder's windows, the outward pressure could force the tile overlaps to tighten and bear some of the hoop stress
<Iskierka>
I was previously going "the windows are problematic due to lower strengths of transparent materials but let's deal with it later because they don't need to bear extra load", but considering now constructing them would probably be the biggest limiting factor on size, assuming you don't have a magic way to make (And repair-in-place) enormous slabs that cross the entire window
<raptop>
I gues you could do silliness with the shape of tiles and the surrounding frame along the lines of a plug door?
<Iskierka>
I'm not sure how well that would work to have it transfer load between tiles rather than just dump it all on the frame
<Iskierka>
since you want the frame to be minimal to not block light
<Iskierka>
quick google indicates there isn't such a thing as an anti-arch structure to copy
<raptop>
blarg
<Iskierka>
I suppose actually any shape with grooves near the edge that slant towards the centre of the tiles, with edge pieces that hook into the groove on either side, could do this?
<Iskierka>
though you create a lot of stress around the groove to transfer the load around the bend
<Iskierka>
axial solar death ray does have the advantages of more land area and doesn't need to manoeuvre to point at the sun year round
<Iskierka>
but it's also not as sexy
<Iskierka>
more sensible for smaller habitats where it won't be as much of a death ray and they can't afford ways to manoeuvre. once you're considering a long cylinder the view of spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace is a selling point and you can afford to try ideas like precession-aiming
* raptop
still struggles to imagine larger habitats actually getting built
<Iskierka>
if you're proposing a lot of people moving to space in the far future (min 100 years off, I'd presume) then eventually there would be demand for a single large living space that can support a small city
<Iskierka>
and even at manhattan population densities, you're only getting that with a large cylinder type, cost be damned. Though I think o'neil's 4km radius is over-ambitious
<Iskierka>
probably would start with ring type, but they're very limited area; you could make them longer, but then it's a cylinder type with extra steps, and wider has the same issue of whether the floor can even support the hoop stress of its own weight that cylinder has. Good for a minimal material starting point but not scalable
<Iskierka>
cylinder/ovoid would be somewhat more scalable and be able to get slightly larger radii, but they do still have limited radius, and if you're elongating them for more area eventually you just reach a cylinder anyway
<Iskierka>
s/cylinder/sphere/
<galois>
Iskierka meant to say: sphere/ovoid would be somewhat more scalable and be able to get slightly larger radii, but they do still have limited radius, and if you're elongating them for more area eventually you just reach a cylinder anyway
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* galois
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meoooow
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!wpn
* galois
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* galois
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