01:08 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ i dont know if this has to do with principia but i cant figure out why pvg is launching the way it is rn... im trying to launch into plane of the moon which ive set as target

01:08 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ but its saying i need atleast 1000dv more than i normally would

01:09 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ive tested the rocket it can easily get orbit but it looks like its trying to change inc by like 8 degrees

01:09 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Are you, perchance, in Florida?

01:09 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ yes

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ i know theres sum i gotta do different since im there

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ i just dont know

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Well, Florida man, you cannot launch into the plane of the moon.

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ahh ok cool

01:10 <raptop> Or, you can. Rarely

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ so either launch in a very small window or launch as close as i can and correct in my tli

01:10 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ?

01:11 <raptop> But standard advice is to relocate to Korou or Sriharikota. Or just do off-planet intercepts

01:11 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ _Florida Man Waits 18 Years for Lunar Launch Window_

01:13 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ In Florida, you further North than the moon goes, except for a short while every 18 years. So you either do off-plane intercepts (which is either hard or requires a tool made by Butcher), or move south.

01:13 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ +are

01:13 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ whats that tool?

01:14 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ Lunar Transfer Planner

01:14 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ (amongst other options)

01:15 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ (As raptop wrote, if you do move south, among the stock launch sites Kourou and Sriharikota are close enough to the equator)

01:15 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ +only

01:15 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ⟪lpg⟫ (amongst other options) ⮪ ima try that one is there another you recommend?

01:16 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ the others are kOS scripts you probably don't want to get into

01:16 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ah yes thank you no thanks

01:17 <paculino> You can download some very good ones from GitHub and use those.

01:17 <paculino> Butcher has a very good one iirc

01:19 <queqiao-> ⟨YaBoiAnt⟩ ive been looking for butchers do you have a link?

01:21 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ butchers has _both_ fancy kOS scripts and the Lunar Transfer Planner _mod_ on ckan

01:21 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ * butcher

01:22 <raptop> 💭Does Butcher prepare porkchop plots?

01:22 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ are porkchop plots a thing for TLI?

01:23 <raptop> You could totally generate ones from a parking orbit, but the timescale would be amusingly short

01:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Marsh⟩ ⟪egg⟫ Well, Florida man, you cannot launch […] ⮪ We need a Florida Man emoji 🤔

01:24 <raptop> Could do a florida flag custum emoji easily enough

01:25 <queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ technically that is even already encoded, though not RGI 🏴󠁵󠁳󠁦󠁬󠁿

01:27 <paculino> Average the mugshots of the top ten Florida man headlines, or just get a flag? 🤔

02:46 <queqiao-> ⟨Serina⟩ ⟪egg⟫ In Florida, you are further North than […] ⮪ You're leaving out brute forcing or correcting the inclination but _shrug_

03:09 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ those deserve to be left out

03:11 <raptop> Doing a dog-leg during ascent or a big plane change after orbiting is silly. Hence the suggestions of pan, curry, or off-plane intercepts

03:13 <queqiao-> ⟨Sumguy⟩ Does anyone else think about Dorf on Golf when dog-legs come up?

07:42 <queqiao-> ⟨BLT Sandwich⟩ okay, it's time for me to wonder into the crazy world that is principia again... hopefully nothing breaks

07:43 <queqiao-> ⟨BLT Sandwich⟩ * principia, again¹... hopefully nothing breaks (¹never done it with rss, but i did it briefly with jnsq)

07:43 <queqiao-> ⟨BLT Sandwich⟩ * (¹ never

07:47 <queqiao-> ⟨BLT Sandwich⟩ * again... hopefully nothing breaks (never done it in rss,

07:57 <queqiao-> ⟨Butcher⟩ ⟪raptop⟫ 💭Does Butcher prepare porkchop plots? ⮪ The cats ate the pork chops.

09:13 <queqiao-> ⟨BLT Sandwich⟩ okay the fact that i have 2 bits of debris in orbit... and it's causing a bunch of my lag problems rn, is sad

15:13 <queqiao-> ⟨DRVeyl⟩ 6M maximum warp might be a bad expectation.

15:22 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Kerbalism breaks down anyway at warp above 100k, so why care about higher warp speeds

19:21 <_whitenotifier-7bc1> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3470: A class to represent a non-oriented plane - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3470

21:36 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ I just managed my first lunar impact with Principia, I ended getting alot of help by searching through this channel so thanks for the indirect help!

21:37 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ On a side-note, is the flickering of all the lines in the map view normal?

21:39 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ No

21:42 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Amazing, so I've been torturing my eyes for no reason, is this a known issue?

21:42 <queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ No.

21:42 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ What type of info do you need to identify the issue? I have no idea where to even start haha

21:43 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ If you have any visual mod that does TAA, turn that off.

21:43 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ (Notably, Scatterer.)

21:45 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Allright, I'll try that

21:48 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ CKAN doesn't seem to let me uninstall Scatterer without removing a ton of RO mods.. I'm guessing it's integrated into RP1, is there any way to disable the mod itself?

21:49 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ No; I'm not saying to uninstall Scatterer. Open its settings from the KSC and disable TAA there.

21:49 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Ahh my bad

21:49 <queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ +(blue orb)

21:59 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Yep, that seemed to have fixed it. Thanks!

22:20 <_whitenotifier-7bc1> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3470: A class to represent a non-oriented plane - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3470

23:21 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Going to try for my first mars window tomorrow, would going through the regular prinicipia interplanetary wiki page be worthwhile? Or am I better off searching for RSS specific?

23:23 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ it's worthwhile mainly to get familiar with the interface, but not as a guide how to do interplanetary missions in RSS

23:24 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ that guide doesn't mention TWP, which is absolutely necessary

23:24 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Do you have any good sources for me to check?

23:24 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ I'm not aware of any

23:25 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ You need to use TWP, find out the correct LAN and inclination for your window and launch to that parking orbit

23:26 <queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ From there, it should be quite easy to find the maneuver- usually it will be prograde with very little other components and dV similar to what TWP shows

23:26 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ Right, that should be pretty straightforward

23:26 <queqiao-> ⟨Cirelion⟩ I'll give an update tomorrow, thanks!