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<queqiao-> ⟨kwat⟩ ⟪jfinizolas⟫ any tips on precise landings with […] ⮪ trajectories works with principia planner, that should help.
<queqiao-> ⟨kwat⟩ +mod
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<queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ ⟪raptop⟫ kitty! (Russian blue?) ⮪ Don't think he's a pure bred, but could be Russian blue or British blue.
<queqiao-> ⟨icey314159⟩ There is still no way to use ion thrusters with principia in ro, right?
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ soon(tm) https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealFuels/issues/324
<_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3707: Include-what-you-using for ksp_plugin_test - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3707
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<_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3707: Include-what-you-using for ksp_plugin_test - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3707
<queqiao-> ⟨jfinizolas⟩ ⟪kwat⟫ trajectories mod works with principia […] ⮪ It does????
<queqiao-> ⟨jfinizolas⟩ I thought principia and trajectories were incompatible in fact
<queqiao-> ⟨zeusbeer⟩ ⟪lpg4999⟫ soon(tm) <https://github.com/KSP-RO/Real[…] ⮪ This seems dubious
<queqiao-> ⟨zeusbeer⟩ that destroys the entire point of ion engines
<queqiao-> ⟨zeusbeer⟩ low thrust propulsion has incredible ISP but also incredible gravity losses (typically resulting in 2 to 3 times more required deltaV)
<queqiao-> ⟨zeusbeer⟩ It would be better if they made persistent thrust actually work and then we can use principia to plan these incredible spiralling low thrust trajectories
<queqiao-> ⟨Al₂Me₆⟩ ⟪zeusbeer⟫ It would be better if they made […] ⮪ Problem is tho, persistent thrust is impossible without support in Principia, and that of course is a Very Deep .
<queqiao-> ⟨Quadrupole🇵🇸🇸🇾🇨🇺⟩ As long as the scaled twr still means you need a few orbits before escape, it won't be a huge deviation from reality imo.
<queqiao-> ⟨Quadrupole🇵🇸🇸🇾🇨🇺⟩ +(instead of hundreds if not thousands)
<queqiao-> ⟨Damien⟩ ⟪Al₂Me₆⟫ Problem is tho, persistent thrust is […] ⮪ Principia rule 69420 says: If a feature is mentioned in #principia, it will be created and included in the next release
<queqiao-> ⟨clayel⟩ ⟪kwat⟫ trajectories mod works with principia […] ⮪ i thought trajectories was forbidden to the dark realms with principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨kwat⟩ ⟪clayel⟫ i thought trajectories was forbidden to […] ⮪ most of the time yes, but when planning entry burns it has worked good enough for me
<queqiao-> ⟨kwat⟩ this on earth tho
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ ⟪Damien⟫ Principia rule 69420 says: If a feature […] ⮪ Egg has explicitly stated no persistent thrust
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ ⟪Kirk (He/Him)⟫ Egg has explicitly stated no persistent […] ⮪ Well, I have most recently stated it is not happening in the next couple of years in December 2021. Then again I used to think much the same of optimization algorithms, and look at what sichelgaita wrote for equipotentials; it is hard to make predictions, especially about the future.
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ it's only correct predictions that are hard
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ I imagine that making the engine actually spend fuel while the craft is on rails is harder
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ I suppose Kerbalism could be used for that.
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ hmm, kerbalism is notorius for breaking at high warp
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ * notoroius
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ * notorious
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ ⟪zeusbeer⟫ This seems dubious ⮪ Then don't use the setting
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ Its solar panel logic does; I’m not aware of issue with resource consumption _per se_
<queqiao-> ⟨egg⟩ * se_?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ probably not
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ I suppose one could also decrease ion engine ISP when that option is enabled, to simulate gravity losses
<_whitenotifier-1adf> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3708: Tooling for reordering the using directives - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3708
<queqiao-> ⟨clayel⟩ ⟪kwat⟫ most of the time yes, but when planning […] ⮪ can you possibly show pictures?
<queqiao-> ⟨clayel⟩ with the principia planner, i just wanna see