egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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⟨yaboiant⟩ i cant remember but with principia do i start burn at manuever node or split my burn in half and execute early?
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⟨the rocket science kid⟩ ⟪yaboiant⟫ i cant remember but with principia do i […] ⮪ if you pressed show on nav all, you start the burn when the maneuver clock hits 0
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⟨the rocket science kid⟩ * navball,
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⟨lpg4999⟩ more frequently, you push mechjeb's "execute principia maneuver" button and let it do the work
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⟨yaboiant⟩ ⟪lpg4999⟫ more frequently, you push mechjeb's […] ⮪ how new is that???
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⟨lpg4999⟩ a few years?
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⟨yaboiant⟩ do i need to upgrade a building to a certain level to see it? ive upgraded tracking center and contract place
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⟨_itsryan⟩ It's part of MechJeb, not Principia. It's in the MJ Maneuver Planner by default.
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⟨yaboiant⟩ ⟪_itsryan⟫ It's part of MechJeb, not Principia. […] ⮪ thx... a year ago i was told mech jeb couldnt execute manuever nodes with principia so i never tried...
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ The problem is that Principia automatically creates models for the stock planets just fine, and I’ve only scale them up, it should’ve worked
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⟨egg⟩ No it should not.
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ ⟪egg⟫ No it should not. ⮪ Scaling them up shouldn’t have worked?
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ I mean aside from the retrobop thing
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ I used to install OPM and MPE and JMP and I don’t remember there being any Principia configs, but they still worked with Principia anyways
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⟨egg⟩ Read the message I sent you. You have a "principia_initial_state" configuration. That is something you added (or some mod you installed added). The moment you start configuring things yourself that way, you need to configure things properly.
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ Huh
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⟨StarcatcherKSP⟩ Alright
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⟨Daedalus⟩ even if it takes a few seconds for the engine to reach its maximum thrust?
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⟨Daedalus⟩ ⟪the rocket science kid⟫ if you pressed show on navball, you […] ⮪ even if it takes a few seconds for the engine to reach its maximum thrust?
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⟨the rocket science kid⟩ that is usually negligible, you will probably need a mid course correction anyway
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⟨patrikcath⟩ 🙏 I want a Sedna mod
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You'll just have to guess the trajectory because Principia will crash the game if you try to simulate it all the way
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⟨issproxima⟩ Does principia flight planner require tracking station and mission control upgrade like stock flight planner?
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⟨test_account9540⟩ Yes and no
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⟨test_account9540⟩ It doesn't require them to work, but it will not export the maneuver to the navball without the upgrades, so MJ won't be able to execute it
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⟨issproxima⟩ it needs both MC and TS ?
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⟨test_account9540⟩ yes
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⟨test_account9540⟩ It doesn't require them to work, but it will not export the maneuver to the navball (create a maneuver node) without the upgrades, so MJ won't be able to execute it
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⟨issproxima⟩ If I can do it manually, does that mean I don't have to upgrade mission control
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⟨test_account9540⟩ Yes, but this works for simple maneuvers, not so much for lunar missions
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⟨issproxima⟩ How hard is it to ram it
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⟨test_account9540⟩ Also doing lunar missions without the upgrades could be considered 🧀 (it is a violation of RIS-2022 rules)
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⟨issproxima⟩ Including impactor ?
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⟨drveyl⟩ Sure.
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Of course, if you think to ask yourself why RP-1 made the requirement for maneuver planning, maybe you wouldn't ask whether using a different mod means you should try to skip those requirements.
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⟨test_account9540⟩ anything, this precision is just not meant to be achievable without building upgrades
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⟨test_account9540⟩ Also keep in mind that it will be very difficult to communicate without your probe at the moon without the tracking station upgrade
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⟨issproxima⟩ Have to do it somehow, I accidently accepted the lunar mission (breakneck) with milton as my staff..
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⟨issproxima⟩ Without principia I would be f**ked since stock flight planning does not exist without those upgrade