egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
<kmath>
YouTube - history of the entire world, i guess
<SilverFox>
watch it
<SilverFox>
it's fucking amazing
<Greys>
sure
<SilverFox>
made by the guy who did The History of Japan
<Greys>
I'll get back to you on that in a few days
<SilverFox>
why?
<Greys>
I'll get back to you on that in a few years
<SilverFox>
why?
<Greys>
now's not the time for that bitch
<SilverFox>
...why?
<Greys>
because it's not 2020 yet
<SilverFox>
why
<Greys>
in time
<SilverFox>
hwhy
<Greys>
wbcuz
<SilverFox>
ok
<Greys>
good boy
<SilverFox>
fuck you
<Greys>
maybe later
<SilverFox>
no thanks
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<Greys>
you asked
<SilverFox>
was there a question mark?
<SilverFox>
didn't think so
<Greys>
question marks are optional
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<SilverFox>
I wonder what the rescue dog situation is like there
<SilverFox>
like, are there lots of strays or pups that need adopting?
<SilverFox>
these dog cafes give me the idea of like, a cafe where you can see pups that are ready to adopt and stuff, and you can adopt a pup from the cafe and give it a nice home but if not then it gets attention and love and all is well
<SilverFox>
and the puppers dont get deaded if they dont get adopted in 2 days
<SilverFox>
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<darklight>
SilverFox: The conservatives in power are trying to kill the safer schools program
<darklight>
I personally think that transistion is something that should be decided when you're an adult, but I've heard of people support blockers for younger kids
<Tank2333_mobil2>
Gender debate?
<darklight>
Tank2333_mobil2: You joined in after sf linked something
<darklight>
I'm willing to admit that gender is a "social construct", but it's a useful one.
<darklight>
One can argue it's a spectrum pretty easily too - Tomboys are less girly then... princessy types I guess
<darklight>
Biological sex is a binary and you can't change it though :P
<darklight>
And err, before one talks about transistioning, gender identity disorder should be talked about first ;)
<Tank2333_mobil2>
Spectrum yeah but pure social construct? Im not buying that
<Tank2333_mobil2>
There are menly girls and girly mens for sure
<Tank2333_mobil2>
But woman for instants are almost certainly more interested in humans and men are more interrested in "things"
<darklight>
Not pure, of course it is strongly biological
<darklight>
Maybe I mean "gender is a performance"
<Tank2333_mobil2>
Yeah maybe
<Tank2333_mobil2>
Also have an intense need for direct competition
<darklight>
I'm well aware of all of this ;)
<Tank2333_mobil2>
If you can watch a child grow up amazing to watch
<Tank2333_mobil2>
What i dont get is how is the gender difference a problem
<SilverFox>
Greys / G-Mobile, which fast food establishment has the best fries?
<darklight>
You may need to clarify that :P
<SilverFox>
maybe, hoping she doesn't go down that path and just answers the question as I intended
<darklight>
Obviously women and men are going to do what they like, and if that ends up being different so be it :P
<G-Mobile>
Arbies
<SilverFox>
Alright, care to elaborate?
<G-Mobile>
?
<SilverFox>
Why are they the best?
<SilverFox>
What is it about the other people's fries that make them inferior
<G-Mobile>
I do not
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<SilverFox>
we need a new topic, this one is old, just quote me saying something stupid
<G-Mobile>
mcdonalds are fake, burgerking are flavorless, wendys are fine, arbys are great
<SilverFox>
What about dairy queen fries?
<G-Mobile>
DQ is an icecream shop
<SilverFox>
yeah but they have burgers and stuff
<G-Mobile>
and walmart "has" bathrooms
<SilverFox>
im eating dairy queen fries right now
<SilverFox>
and a burger from there
<G-Mobile>
burgerking "has" "icecream"
<darklight>
Our BP servo does decent chips here
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<SilverFox>
which leads me to my next question, which establishment does the best burgers?
<darklight>
Hungry jacks changed their fries recently and they are ok
<G-Mobile>
Speedway has hotdogs
<G-Mobile>
depends what you want
<G-Mobile>
i like wendys, or the DQP at McDs, burgerking is usually an overpriced waste of time
<SilverFox>
for here in canada I'd say that Harvey's has the best burgers
<SilverFox>
is BK an underdog?
<darklight>
Wat
<G-Mobile>
detroit doesnt have many fastfood places
<darklight>
BK and maccas are pretty similar in size aren't they?
<SilverFox>
they'd just get looted, so that's fair
<SilverFox>
darklight, I mean in that BK isn't regarded the same as the others because their food is shit
<darklight>
Hungry jacks does "burgers" that are fine here
<darklight>
But if you want real meat you gotta shop more local shops
<G-Mobile>
we "have" sonic, checkers, steak'n'shake, and white castle, but they're uncommon
<G-Mobile>
i know exactly one of each, and have only ever eaten from white castle
<SilverFox>
are there safe areas of detroit?
<G-Mobile>
no, but there are safe areas of metrodetroit
<SilverFox>
what's the difference?
<G-Mobile>
Texas vs united states
<SilverFox>
respectively?
<G-Mobile>
?
<SilverFox>
detroit is to texas as metrodetroit is to united states?
<G-Mobile>
Yes
<SilverFox>
alright
<SilverFox>
so I ordered a mushroom swiss burger with an extra patty, bacon, and flamethrower sauce, the sauce is on there, but I don't taste any heat
<SilverFox>
it's more tangy than heat
<G-Mobile>
demand satisfaction
<SilverFox>
I've already eaten like, half my meal
<G-Mobile>
proof that youre canadian
<SilverFox>
you guys eat more than half your meal, then demand payback or another one?
<G-Mobile>
no, we eat the whole meal and then complain, or immediately throw it at the server
<SilverFox>
why are you guys such assholes
<SilverFox>
like fuck dude, calm down
<darklight>
Murika
<darklight>
Vote with your wallet :P
<SilverFox>
also, why the fuck throw it at the server? they just bring you the food, they didn't prepare it
<SilverFox>
at that point you're just being a cunt for sake of being a cunt
<G-Mobile>
Dan Moren sometimes recounts on Back to Work a story of when he was working in a fast food place and a customer came in and started shaking their bag of food at the manager, screaming at the top of their lungs about how they live half an hour away, and drove half an hour, then drove home, then drove back to stand there screaming because there was god damn mustard on everything
<G-Mobile>
fucker drive an hour for fast food, and an hour for satisfaction
<G-Mobile>
I hope they got tazed
<darklight>
That is worse than the chicken nuggies guy
<darklight>
Wait no
<darklight>
There was some guy who lost his shit because something was discontinued
<G-Mobile>
glhf
<SilverFox>
I wonder if the "let me speak to the manager" generation will get phased out, or if a new one will phase in
<G-Mobile>
mustard at least isn't a negative
<darklight>
Silverfox no they go to wholefoods
<darklight>
Where "free range" is the harshest treatment
<darklight>
I assume they take the chickens on romantic dinners for the least cruel
<SilverFox>
what's great is when those types of people go to markets, demand local fish that doesn't exist in the country
<darklight>
Lol
<G-Mobile>
"would you like to speak with our free range manager, or non-GMO manager?"
<darklight>
Fish markets are a decent place for cheaper fish, but meh :P
<SilverFox>
that's pretty good
<darklight>
I don't understand GMO, do they just mean selective breeding? Things that we have done for ages?
<G-Mobile>
Genetically Modified Organism
<darklight>
I know
<SilverFox>
it's a mixture of selective breeding and chemicals that do things
<darklight>
But they don't turn you into spidey man
<SilverFox>
they give you autisms
<SilverFox>
all of them
<G-Mobile>
all seven autisms
<G-Mobile>
which is exactly the right number to suffer no consequences
<darklight>
Oh man, vaccienes bro
<G-Mobile>
turnts out the condition known as autism results from having a non-seven number of autisms
<SilverFox>
except that autism has been speculated to be hereditary
<darklight>
Oh, to bring it back around to gender, autism is much more likely in men
<SilverFox>
and all cases that I've seen of parents having autism, and their children having autism, the children have always been worse
<SilverFox>
darklight, it's true that we see autism more in men than women, but you'd need to link me a few studies that show that autism is more likely to occur in men than women
<darklight>
Women get borderline personality disorder in exchange
<darklight>
Meh, I'll link if needed, but it isn't needed here :P
<SilverFox>
IM CALLING LINKS
<SilverFox>
you have 30 minutes to provide links or your claim is nullified
* G-Mobile
plays her trap card
<G-Mobile>
your demand for links allows me to deal 600 points of damage directly to your life points
<SilverFox>
I wish Djohaal wasn't dead so that we could get professional input on this
<darklight>
You know statistics aren't everything right?
<G-Mobile>
liar
<SilverFox>
statistics are a big part in medicine
<darklight>
Greys, Do I need to quote some hate-facts :P
<darklight>
They really aren't everything.
<SilverFox>
statistics are a big part in medicine
<darklight>
Silverfox I'm aware, I remember the female viaga saga
<darklight>
Small sample sizes lul
<darklight>
But don't underestimate moral arguments and rhetoric :P
<SilverFox>
moralo arguments are meh
<darklight>
You're aware of what a hate fact is I take it :P
<SilverFox>
i understand the words, but no examples come to mind
<darklight>
"Blacks are dumber than whites" is one that immediately jumps to mind
<darklight>
The thing is where do you go from that, and that's a dark path my dude
<darklight>
Golden rule motherfuckers :P
<darklight>
If you just need one upping though, "asians are smarter than whites"
<G-Mobile>
that's not a statistic
<G-Mobile>
that's purely a prejudice
<SilverFox>
^^^
<G-Mobile>
statistically there are more asians living third-world lives than whites, so they get dragged down
<G-Mobile>
there are actually more illiterate asians then there are whites and blacks combined
<SilverFox>
is there a matriarchy on earth that isn't stationed around poverty or living in mud/grass huts?
<darklight>
I think the debate is wether the difference is socio-economic or biological, in any case, you shouldn't be treated differently for it
<darklight>
But yeah, poverty begets poverty
<SilverFox>
statistics arent a debate, they are hard fact for the sample/population measured
<SilverFox>
any inferences/extrapolations you make may be subject to debate, but you cannot debate the stats given for a sample unless otherwise questionable measures of measurement come into play, such as bias or whathave you
<darklight>
I'm not going to dive into links for this stuff, I'll leave that to alt righty people, but even if this is true I don't think one should form actions from it - otherwise your in eugenics territory
<darklight>
Evolutionary biology is also a thing SF :P
<darklight>
Wait wrong thing
<darklight>
There's a field that has evolution as a cause of behaviours
<darklight>
I'm not, I'm just saying that one shouldn't discount morality, and I'd argue more important than, statistics
<SilverFox>
Why are you linking morality with statistics?
<SilverFox>
if it is statistically proven black people are for whatever reason, less intelligent than white people for whatever reason, that doesn't give reason for being an asshole or discriminating
<SilverFox>
statistics give us correlation to cause and effect for something that isn't easy to prove otherwise
<SilverFox>
that's what she does in medicine, at a basic level
<SilverFox>
to link stats and morals is to overestimate stats, and undermine morals
<darklight>
No, I'm saying in a debate, people can and do counter statistics with moral arguments all the time
<darklight>
I am not linking them
<SilverFox>
can you give me an example of such debate interactions?
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<darklight>
The one just here maybe :P
<SilverFox>
what debate is that?
<darklight>
Nevermind, I think Imma drop this before I need to visit a mental health clinic for darklight-silverfox interactions
<darklight>
Also I feel like continuing this will mean I need to submit to diversity retraining camp
<SilverFox>
I don't see a debate of if x race is smarter than y race, because that's just trying to find shit to back up you being an asshole
<SilverFox>
which is not a debate
<SilverFox>
you're an asshole
<darklight>
My point is no matter wether its a fact or not, it's not important, and this is the strongest argument I have against alt-righty people :P
<darklight>
Saying "das racist" does not fix racism, neither does making it illegal
<darklight>
Neither does punching people in the head
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
racis gonna be raciss no matter what
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<darklight>
I don't think that is completely true, if you can prove a biological argument is wrong, do so
<SilverFox>
but what if it can be proven right?
<darklight>
Then battle them somewhere else
<darklight>
You don't argue against feminists denying the existence of a wage gap, you debate its cause for example :P
<SilverFox>
you debate they choose lower paying jobs rather than higher paying ones
<SilverFox>
ezpz
<darklight>
Because they are right when saying "women on average earn less than men"
<SilverFox>
yet wage gap is stupid in that sense because it's not "the same work"
<SilverFox>
it's all jobs everywhere
<darklight>
But female doctors earn less than male doctors sf!
<SilverFox>
I doubt this, but can see this being a thing depending on many factors
<SilverFox>
doctoring is a talent job
<darklight>
It's true, but you forget how wide a field doctor is
<SilverFox>
we're talking medical doctor right?
<SilverFox>
or "people with doctorates"?
<darklight>
Surgeon vs dietician :P
<SilverFox>
reeeeee
<darklight>
Early childcare related things aren't as well paid ;)
<SilverFox>
indeed
<SilverFox>
except for pediatricians
<SilverFox>
worst job in doctoring: Pediatric Oncology
<darklight>
Now, I wonder what the gender balance between pediatricians vs brain surgeons is....
<SilverFox>
you want ratios for each?
<SilverFox>
because again, it's a talent job
<darklight>
Not really, just giving an example of "for the same work"
<SilverFox>
someone who graduated top of the class harvard and works john hopkins is making more than someone who graduated with okay marks and works at the local hospital
<SilverFox>
you have to have people with the exact same marks, exact same history and qualifications and experience to then be able to have reason to pay equally
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<darklight>
Also iirc the distribition of iq for women is closer to the mean compared to men, so men have more geniuses and homeless, might play a tiny part :P
<SilverFox>
tiny part in what?
<SilverFox>
I dont see that as playing case
<darklight>
The top ends of the fields
<SilverFox>
both men and women have access to the fields, that's what matters
<SilverFox>
that statistic is not valid reason to pay more
<darklight>
Of course
<SilverFox>
that would be considered "gambling"
<darklight>
Being better at your field is
<SilverFox>
you pay for marks and experience and performance
<SilverFox>
this is why I say those "debates" are nothing more than a farce
<SilverFox>
but darklight, choose better paying jobs or go bitch to labor board
<darklight>
No lets just pay women more
<darklight>
Lol
<SilverFox>
no because that's illegal
<darklight>
Anz did it ^
<SilverFox>
ILleGaL
<SilverFox>
you guys want some great sex tips from Cosmo?
<darklight>
Don't or I'll traumatise you
<SilverFox>
"Press a fork into different parts of his body"
<SilverFox>
LinkedImage: Hannibal Lector
<SilverFox>
The best one yet:
<SilverFox>
"Have someone hide in the closet and don't tell your partner"
<darklight>
wat
<darklight>
What is wrong with these people
<SilverFox>
"Sprinkle a little pepper under his nose right before he climaxes. Sneezing can feel similar to an orgasm and amplify the feel-good effects"
<Supernovy>
thanks to whoever introduced nabokov to the japanese
<darklight>
"Anime is proof two bombs wern't enough"
<G-Mobile>
Anyway, chapter three contains a loli and numerous lolicon including the loli
<Supernovy>
the loli is a lolicon?
<G-Mobile>
she tries to sell it as moe, but that's an aesthetic not a style
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<darklight>
Yeah I'm staying away from those types of links
<G-Mobile>
In ouran host club the main girl is somewhat flat chested, but not a loli, and she is cute, but not moe; except for one episode where it's revealed that she's afraid of thunder
<G-Mobile>
Moe stems from a desire to protect
<G-Mobile>
haruhi is wicked smart, strong willed, and self reliant, she doesnt need protection
<G-Mobile>
nobody in k-on is in need of protection
<darklight>
Moe being the character feels or audience feels?
<G-Mobile>
Moe comes from the era of Air and kanon, as well as many other harem shows based on eroge where the man is surrounded by weak incapable girls who need to be saved
<darklight>
Saving women is a common trope, yeah
<G-Mobile>
it varies in anime
<G-Mobile>
moe is pretty dead these days
<darklight>
So moe characters are useless women?
<G-Mobile>
SAO had a lot of moe
<G-Mobile>
characters designed to make the audience feel protective of them
<darklight>
I still wonder who is opressing sao fans...
<darklight>
Ah, so audience feels, gotcha
<G-Mobile>
Yea but moe is a design feature
<G-Mobile>
its also kind of an indicator of just general bad
<darklight>
Fair enough, the ability to pull on the feels strings means you're not completely dead inside :P
<G-Mobile>
a lot of shows have done good by subverting or inverting what moe plays on
<G-Mobile>
gurashi something did moe good by putting strong girls in extreme and prolonged danger and playing with psychological injury
<darklight>
I'd argue the opposite, if you don't feel for any character at all, then that's gotta be shit
<darklight>
Inversions are kinda funny and good :P
<G-Mobile>
Sure but if the only thing they could make you feel is protective of a small animal, they have failed to make that animal into more than your pet as a character
<G-Mobile>
Suzumiya haruhi is moe, the angel girl in angel beats is moe, but haruhi is omnipotent and the angel girl is a deadly robot
<G-Mobile>
the story is well designed to use moe for shading and perspective
<G-Mobile>
everyone in kanon dies, they're moe to make you fail and that sensation stands in for depth of character or story
<G-Mobile>
The moe genre is at it's average, which is also it's worst, a lot like setting a puppy on the table and declaring that you will hit this puppy with a baseball bat unless the audience has an emotional reaction to the threat
<G-Mobile>
loli is girls without secondary sexual characteristics
<darklight>
What if you are a pussy-toucher and don't feel for dogs?
<darklight>
lol
<G-Mobile>
you'd be hard pressed to find a human who would be ok with watching you destroy a defenseless animal
<G-Mobile>
Particularly a small or young animal
<G-Mobile>
Particularly a pet class animal
<G-Mobile>
Particularly if you involve them in the situation