egg|principia|egg changed the topic of #kspmodders to: Welcome to #kspmooders | <Majiir> egg is pretty much just a chickenfetus until you start talking about floating point | <SilverFox> "little" doesn't seem like a real word to me right now
<SilverFox>
what is the first letter of the japanese alphabet?
<TheKosmonaut>
A
<TheKosmonaut>
あ
<SilverFox>
nice, thanks
<TheKosmonaut>
あいうえお
<SilverFox>
what does that say?
<SilverFox>
also what is the stroke order for that char?
<TheKosmonaut>
That's just a i u e o
<SilverFox>
are those the only vowels?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: Japanese is all vowels
<TheKosmonaut>
So you have a I u e o
<SilverFox>
you must be fucking with me
<TheKosmonaut>
Then after that it is ka ki ku ke ko
<SilverFox>
neat, same as korean, starts with k
<TheKosmonaut>
So a ka sa ta na ha ma ya ra
<SilverFox>
okay, now does the y sound exist in japanese, or is it a slower combination of i and a for ya
<SilverFox>
I find in english, or at least my dialect, the way we say the y sound and what it's components could be, is different
<TheKosmonaut>
Japanese doesn't do "blending" so good
<TheKosmonaut>
So for example
<SilverFox>
okay, noted
<TheKosmonaut>
If I write ya it is sounded like "yah"
<TheKosmonaut>
But writing ia would be e-ah
<TheKosmonaut>
E as in eat
<SilverFox>
write, like 이 in korean
<SilverFox>
right*
<TheKosmonaut>
Some sounds have been done away with however
<TheKosmonaut>
That's all of the phonetics basically
<SilverFox>
this is important, because during my times teaching people I've discovered koreans do this sound differently than we do, and it requires a physical change in where your tongue goes and all that in order to replicate the sound we make. A good example is the word "Year" if they say it like "Ear" then their y sound isnt compatible with ours
<SilverFox>
TK, that's just hiragana right?
<TheKosmonaut>
Yeah
<SilverFox>
and katakana is mainly used for foreign words?
<TheKosmonaut>
Ya yu yo sounds like yah you and yo
<TheKosmonaut>
I don't find the Y sounds to be any different than how we say it
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: mostly
<TheKosmonaut>
Which is sad, I think Katakana looks better
<SilverFox>
it's subtle, but the difference comes from when you start saying words, rather than the phonetic sounds by themselves
<TheKosmonaut>
It varies from person to person
<SilverFox>
right
<TheKosmonaut>
Pronunciation isn't as strict now as it was ~50 years ago
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<SilverFox>
interesting, what do you think caused this?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: same thing that causes English pronunciation and intonation to change
<SilverFox>
laziness?
<TheKosmonaut>
A bit of that
<TheKosmonaut>
Butjapanese went under a lot of change post war
<SilverFox>
rebellion?
<TheKosmonaut>
For one, MacArthur demanded they write left to write instead of right to left
<SilverFox>
oh shit, they used to right write to left?
<TheKosmonaut>
So before, うえの would be のうえ
<TheKosmonaut>
のえう
<TheKosmonaut>
Oops
<SilverFox>
is that why books and such are read right to left?
<TheKosmonaut>
Yeah. Mostly.
<SilverFox>
neat
<SilverFox>
who the fuck is macarthur?
<SilverFox>
sounds like a douche
<SilverFox>
Greys, find me a porno with the koopa brothers
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, how many different honorifics are there that can be attached to the same verb?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: MacArthur as in the general
<SilverFox>
is this american history or something?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: after WWII the USA occupied Japan.
<TheKosmonaut>
A lot of changes were brought on
<SilverFox>
wow
<SilverFox>
wait, wasn't it around WWII that japan occupied Korea?
<TheKosmonaut>
For 1, it was just to show authority so MacArthur would just make arbitrary changes
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: japan occupied Korea long before WWII
<SilverFox>
Macarthur sounds like a big asshole tho
<TheKosmonaut>
So pretty much 1910 till 1945
<SilverFox>
yeah
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: MacArthur also built tokyo into what it is today
<SilverFox>
oh
<TheKosmonaut>
He was an asshole because he needed to be
<SilverFox>
so it was a good thing?
<TheKosmonaut>
But it was thanks to him and the occupying force post war (and the shit tons of money) that restored Japan
<TheKosmonaut>
Granted, it was the US that firebombed it to shit
<SilverFox>
yeahhhh
<TheKosmonaut>
But we made it better
<SilverFox>
from what I've been hearing from koreans the japan-korea occupation was hell
<TheKosmonaut>
No. It was wonderful! The empire did nothing wrong.
<SilverFox>
pffffffft
<SilverFox>
that's why you haven't apologized right?
<SilverFox>
because there was nothing to apologize for!
<TheKosmonaut>
I think a lot of the atrocities happened, but there is exaggeration from Korea to the extent that it happened, and Japan is too far in the other direction as to how little they did
<SilverFox>
so its a game of he-said she-said?
<TheKosmonaut>
Japan has made amends many times, but its politically advantageous to always be the victim
<SilverFox>
lol this is true
<darklight>
TK what about okinawa
<TheKosmonaut>
China loves to bring it up when they're the ones encroaching on territories, so as to get the heat off of the PRC
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<SilverFox>
what is okinawa?
<SilverFox>
it sounds familiar
<darklight>
Isn't that the one with the american base?
<TheKosmonaut>
Okinawa is an island to the south
<TheKosmonaut>
It had a somewhat indigenous population that Japan had suppressed or slowly bred out of the island
<TheKosmonaut>
They still exist thighs and there are some visual differences between Okinawan and mainland Japanese
<TheKosmonaut>
s/thighs/though
<Qboid>
TheKosmonaut meant to say: They still exist though and there are some visual differences between Okinawan and mainland Japanese
<SilverFox>
so do all the 150 year olds still write right to left?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: they can but don't afaik
<SilverFox>
alright cool
<TheKosmonaut>
I'm surprised rokker hasn't swung in at the mention of MacArthur, he'd usually be jerking himself off to the name along
<TheKosmonaut>
Alone
<TheKosmonaut>
Look out! Ol Big Mac is back!
<SilverFox>
pfffffft
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: hard to type one handed
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: fun fact
<SilverFox>
oh boy
<TheKosmonaut>
During the Korean War, MacArthur proposed to just nuclear carpet bomb Korea and china
<SilverFox>
nice
<TheKosmonaut>
But the bleeding hearts said that was too harsh
<TheKosmonaut>
Bunch of babies
<SilverFox>
north or south korea would be bombed?
<SilverFox>
pyongyang is near the border isn't it?
<SilverFox>
naw, it's a good distance away
<SilverFox>
what is nuclear fallout radius?
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: not far at all
<TheKosmonaut>
Especially if air detonated
<TheKosmonaut>
There's almost no radiation in Hiroshima
<SilverFox>
what is the inhabitable radius?
<SilverFox>
was nagasaki air-detonated
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: uh. You mean, how close can you be?
<SilverFox>
I mean, if we nuked north korea, how bad would it hit seoul
<SilverFox>
because seoul is pretty important
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: almost all Nukes are air burst
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: it wouldn't affect Seoul
<darklight>
Depends on how much boom is in the bomb
<darklight>
The tsar bomba left a good mark on google earth
<TheKosmonaut>
If we air burst the largest nuke we have right now in the center of pyongyang, it wouldn't affect Seoul in a massive way
<TheKosmonaut>
There would be fallout but it would depend on the wind
<SilverFox>
like, would seoul have to be evacuated?
<SilverFox>
because it wont get evac'd
<SilverFox>
roads are already shit
<SilverFox>
more people will die from driving than the radiation from fallout
<SilverFox>
pyongyang to seoul is 195km
<SilverFox>
I wonder how long fallout lasts
<TheKosmonaut>
Seoul wouldn't notice
<TheKosmonaut>
Nukes are big. Not that big.
<SilverFox>
like if we just detonate with a north or west wind
<TheKosmonaut>
The largest American bomb was Castle Bravo at 15mt
<SilverFox>
so do yall think that the US-NK tensions will lead to WWIII?
<Rokker>
SilverFox: lolno
<Rokker>
SilverFox: someone would need to be on their side
<Rokker>
and that won't happeb
<SilverFox>
isnt China on the side of NK?
<SilverFox>
like, bad china
<SilverFox>
cause they commiebuddie 4 lyfe
<Rokker>
SilverFox: barely
<SilverFox>
aight
<Rokker>
SilverFox: I doubt they'd want to deal with it
<Rokker>
they'd stay out of it at worst
<Rokker>
or side with us at best
<SilverFox>
they put 150k soldiers at the border
<SilverFox>
so they are against NK iirc
<Rokker>
SilverFox: because they don't want refugees
<SilverFox>
lol
<Rokker>
SilverFox: they've been trying to slip into south Korea's DMs for a while
<SilverFox>
yeah and hows that been going
<Rokker>
they wanna get it on with the South Korean economy
<SilverFox>
I wonder how Moon will handle this situation
<Rokker>
SilverFox: pretty well for rhem
<Rokker>
them
<Rokker>
acrually
<SilverFox>
I hear the economy in SK is doing well
<SilverFox>
but that it's at a plateau
<Rokker>
SilverFox: that's eastern asia as a whole
<SilverFox>
its good but also bad, because there's no place to go than down
<SilverFox>
I mean, it *could* go up again but like
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: wasn't there a whole freakout a few years back over the south Korean ambassador being closer to the president than the noko one at some parade
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: hm?
<TheKosmonaut>
Maybe. Korean politics are shit.
<SilverFox>
they are
<TheKosmonaut>
Korea as a government is shit too
<SilverFox>
it is
<SilverFox>
very corrupt
<TheKosmonaut>
But they're less shit than the north
<SilverFox>
that is also true
<SilverFox>
recently impeached a president for the first time in democratic history of the country
<SilverFox>
I gotta say though, the protests were fucking beautiful tho
<SilverFox>
was so tired of seeing american protests
<Rokker>
SilverFox: that's the problem with our involvement with asia
<SilverFox>
what do you mean?
<SilverFox>
yall introduced corrupt government?
<Rokker>
SilverFox: we installed govts saying they were gonna be democratic, but we tried to keep them puppeted and undemocratic
<Rokker>
and it turned the govts into a shitshow
<SilverFox>
ahh
<SilverFox>
good job on that one guys
<Rokker>
Vietnam and Korea both happened kinda directly due to American involvement in the govts
<Rokker>
altho Russia and China didn't help
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: blame the Brits
<TheKosmonaut>
It's easy
<TheKosmonaut>
Asia was fine till the Brits were like "ohai DAE opium?"
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: I blame nam on the French and Chinese
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: well... Perry was kinda our fault
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: glorious fault
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: well yeah
<Rokker>
the Perry family makes me jizz
<Rokker>
the navy should just name an entire class of ships after them
<SilverFox>
what is a Perry?
<TheKosmonaut>
Commodore Perry was the (in)famous naval dude that rolled up on feudal Japan and said "trade shit with us"
<Rokker>
SilverFox: a family of badass motherfuckers in the navy
<TheKosmonaut>
They said no
<TheKosmonaut>
And he said "wrong answer try again"
<SilverFox>
noice
<TheKosmonaut>
Then pointed his Navy at Japan
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: that's only one of the fucking Commodore Perry's you bitch
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: yeah but the one relevant to the current talk
<Rokker>
SilverFox: one Commodore Perry opened trade with Japan by threatening them, the other kept the Canadians from controlling the great lakes by raping them in the war of 1812
<kmath>
YouTube - The Terrorists Are Winning | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim
<Rokker>
SilverFox: like we knew the jews were getting treated like shit
<Rokker>
but we didn't know how bad it was
<SilverFox>
ahhh
* darklight
wonders how much the SA is responsible for the rounding up of gay people too
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<Rokker>
I still think we don't blame the russians enough for causing ww2
<SilverFox>
i mean what
<Rokker>
?
<SilverFox>
how did russia start it?
<SilverFox>
i thought it was germany occupying places and killin people
<Rokker>
SilverFox: ok so ww2 was started because Germany invaded Poland right?
<Rokker>
well why did Germany invade poland
<SilverFox>
because jews and growing territory?
<Rokker>
because they had signed a pact with Russia saying that if Russia didn't attack Germany when Germany invaded Poland that they would split Poland down the middle
<SilverFox>
ohhh
<SilverFox>
neat
<Rokker>
it's entirely possible Germany wouldn't have invaded Poland if Russia hadn't agreed
<Supernovy>
muh danzig
<Rokker>
therefore I think they deserve a little of the blame
<SilverFox>
if that is true, then yeah, I'd agree
<Rokker>
SilverFox: I mean it's entirely possible Germany still would have attacked, but y'know, history is weird when you get into what ifs
<SilverFox>
right
<SilverFox>
hitler was pretty crazy
<TheKosmonaut>
Blame the whites
<SilverFox>
its reasonable he would've invaded anyways
<TheKosmonaut>
If it weren't for Slavs then there'd be no WWI
<TheKosmonaut>
so...
<SilverFox>
given he attacked fucking russia, in the winter
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, what is the symbol that is like a, but slanted and with a tick on the right side?
<Rokker>
SilverFox: they went to war in june
<Rokker>
SilverFox: they didn't reach moscow until december
<SilverFox>
so yeah, they were attacking during the winter
<SilverFox>
and they froze
<SilverFox>
and starved
<SilverFox>
great job
<SilverFox>
smart tacitcs 10/10
<Rokker>
SilverFox: it's not their fault
<TheKosmonaut>
SilverFox: uhhh?
<Rokker>
Russia is just too big
<TheKosmonaut>
Russia's biggest defense is that it's a giant shithole
<SilverFox>
tahts why you dont attack it
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: yep
<TheKosmonaut>
America's biggest Defence is that we have two giant fucking oceans on either side
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: the worst game of hoi4 I've ever played was trying to take Russia from the Japanese side
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: I lost most of my troops to attrition
<SilverFox>
TK, Im seeing a character repeated from bowser and it looks like that A character you showed me earlier, but it has a tick on the right side beside the cross part of the character and at the end of it is a char that looks likeㄱ
<SilverFox>
if you open a video via middle clicking it weird so it opens in the same tab instead of a new one, and do that a few times, it says the video is completely watched
<SilverFox>
even if you didnt watch any of it
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: yulin is coming up innit?
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: gonna go to China and eat some doggos
<SilverFox>
wtf
<Rokker>
SilverFox: chyna
<Rokker>
sil
<SilverFox>
I find that disgusting
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: it's banned this year
<TheKosmonaut>
China crackin down on dog meat
<SilverFox>
GUD
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: technically
<Rokker>
but afaik people are skeptical of it
<TheKosmonaut>
Rokker: china is trying to legitimize its image to the west
<TheKosmonaut>
I don't doubt that they'd at least make an effort.
<Rokker>
TheKosmonaut: I legitimately imagine them as dog eating commiefags
<TheKosmonaut>
Lel
<TheKosmonaut>
China now is about as commie as Europe.
<TheKosmonaut>
No. Less commie than Europe
<TheKosmonaut>
They embraced a form of capitalism and now they're doing alright
<TheKosmonaut>
Next step: imperialism
<xShadowx>
i saw a documentary a while ago, china invented oil drilling with bamboo, and combustion engines, long before the west :P
<TheKosmonaut>
Meh. They shot themselves in the foot during their great leap forward.
<xShadowx>
china never had the dark ages like the west
<Rokker>
xShadowx: that sounded retarded
<xShadowx>
Rokker: which part?
<Rokker>
why is it every time someone sees someone who was smart and knew some cool shit, everyone has to go out and look for ways to overinflate their acconplishments
<Rokker>
da Vinci, the Chinese, tesla, Edison
<xShadowx>
lol i was just laughin at the obvious false propaganda documentary claiming china could dig deep down with bamboo for oil and make combustion enines :P
<xShadowx>
if they had combustion engines 2,000 years ago there would be some evidence :)
<Rokker>
xShadowx: north Korea has unicorns
<Rokker>
xShadowx: also China did have a dark age
<xShadowx>
Rokker: i know i saw the news! every little girl must be happy!
<xShadowx>
nope, china didnt have dark ages
<Rokker>
it's called the communist period
<xShadowx>
ok you win :P
<xShadowx>
usually when i claim chinese didnt have dark ages, someone pops out mentioning the opium wars, and i counter with that was just china beating us to our 60s :)
<Rokker>
xShadowx: the communist period followed an enlightened age of nationalism
<Rokker>
unfortunately
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<kmath>
YouTube - Margot Robbie Defines 50 Australian Slang Terms in Under 4 Minutes | Vanity Fair
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
niceu*
<darklight>
HOW IS WHINGE AUSTRALIAN
<darklight>
WAT
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<SilverFox>
HOW IS FUCKWIT AUSSIE?
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<Rokker>
darklight: god margot robbie is hot
<SilverFox>
fucking perv
<SilverFox>
h-hentai baka
<Rokker>
SilverFox: yes
<SilverFox>
have you no shame you filhty merican
<SilverFox>
ugh, it makes me cringe when people mispronounce the basic korean words, like kamsahabnida, but these guys said komsohamnida. That's the japanese equivalent of ayrigateoh goozamass. It's dirty
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<VITAS>
i wonder what temperatures are like if you put a case arround it
<SilverFox>
probably bad, seeing as how it's SLI'd
<VITAS>
doesnt make that hexadecimalo?
<SilverFox>
your puns are bad and you should feel bad
<VITAS>
always
* darklight
learns a valuable lesson about fpv and getting lost
<VITAS>
now for some sun on my balcony with my mediterian inspired lunch :D
<VITAS>
darklight, youre getting lost or your plane?
<darklight>
Plane completely lost, couldn't even remotely pick up the video signal :(
<SilverFox>
rip lol
<darklight>
Tis only about 100 dollars lost, but still...
<SilverFox>
shoulda put a GPS tracker on it
<darklight>
Maybe 120ish
<VITAS>
so you could implent something that sends you gps coords while you fly
<darklight>
Usually I fly with an OSD but I couldn't find it
<darklight>
It points you home :P
<VITAS>
tracker sounds like somthing that logs it
<VITAS>
and you could strap a postcard to it like you do with helium baloons on kid partys
<VITAS>
"if found mail me"
<darklight>
This is the problem about flying in a cane paddock, it is all very samey
<SilverFox>
shoulda GPS trackered
<VITAS>
also helps with finding the idiot who crashed his drone into a passenger plane :D
<darklight>
It could be anywhere in a 1.5km radius so I do not like my chances at all
<VITAS>
you could investigate using old smartphones as autopilot/camera/...
<SilverFox>
plane probs dead
<VITAS>
and your drone could take selfies :P
<darklight>
If I fly fpv again I'd want a proper OSD that updates fast enough to be useable, but I kinda have more fun flying aerobatics anyway, so line of sight is kinda better
<VITAS>
hmm live fpv on twitch
<VITAS>
with something like telemachus for viewers
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
somone should do that
<SilverFox>
I'd totes do that
<VITAS>
and yes, i still want someone who streams ksp on twitch to use telemachus and let me proxy it
<darklight>
It'd be doable with a laptop
<darklight>
But I lack a laptop :P
<SilverFox>
buy one
<VITAS>
he needs a new plane first :D
<darklight>
I have another 23 sheets of foamboard
<VITAS>
electronics and such?
<darklight>
Which is why this cost like 120 and not 300
<darklight>
I have pretty much a backup set of everything
<SilverFox>
guys is majiir dead
<darklight>
I'll work out exactly how much money I lost
<VITAS>
maybe
<VITAS>
so the question is: what would you need to reley video of yourself and your plane amongst telemetry to a server and get back twitch stuff like chat
<VITAS>
the major problem i see is bandwidth
<VITAS>
you can only do it where you get broadband inet
<VITAS>
(via wifi or so)
<VITAS>
but then again: darklight uses lte for all his inet
<VITAS>
anyways: i find it an interresting concept. most twitch channels are about someone sitting at home.
<VITAS>
another idea: a youtube channel dedicated to testing out ksp planes using foamboard as RC planes
<VITAS>
:D
<VITAS>
(both ideas may be combined)
<SilverFox>
KSP is free for testing, foamboard aint free
<VITAS>
yes but if youre doing it right youtube (aka google) will pay you the foamboard in ad revenue
<SilverFox>
you'd need a lot of viewers for that
<VITAS>
and you dont have to test tweaks on planes but planes that do well in ksp
<VITAS>
or go the other way arround
<VITAS>
build a foam plane
<VITAS>
and build it in ksp and upload it to kerbalx
<VITAS>
for the viewers to try
<VITAS>
how can i convince the uni to puit my rack in front of their firewall?
<VITAS>
i hate it so much!
<VITAS>
i cant open ports and cant accept incomming traffic
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<darklight>
Looks around $140AUD all up
<darklight>
So a loss, but not a *massive* loss
<VITAS>
hmm still
<VITAS>
but nothing you can change now
<VITAS>
except you find a dog thats trained to sniff brushless motors
<VITAS>
my appartment only has one room so nothing to fly arround
<VITAS>
:D
<SilverFox>
I love the fire in the eyes, like Amber
<darklight>
Also this kinda sucks, normally after I crash I accept the loss and not fly for like a month, but I also have nitro stuff coming, and another x8r because I didn't want to keep swapping receivers between planes
<Greys>
angavrilov|phone does japan not have can/bottle deposits?
<SilverFox>
so for my long distance plane it needs to go 60km just to be safe
<SilverFox>
so these motors say they are like, 600kv
<SilverFox>
does that mean I need to transform the voltage up to 600kv?
<Greys>
per megawiggle
<SilverFox>
that seems really excessive
<GlassFragments>
Greys, no but the only public trashcans you can find are for cans and bottles
<GlassFragments>
you tend to see abandoned cans on bridge railings and such however
<Greys>
so nobody returns them?
<angavrilov>
Greys: for some reason the first thing that made me think of is an image of a bottle mine, mining an underground bottle deposit :P
<darklight>
SilverFox: kV means 1000RPM / volt
<Greys>
that would be a deposite
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<darklight>
600kv motors sound like big efficent ones, I fly with a 1500kV with an 8x4, I also have 960kv that I fly with a 9x6
<GlassFragments>
Greys, they go in a separate recycling trash category
<darklight>
The big props give me 15min flight time compared to 10min, but I keep breaking them on landing :<
<Greys>
can you run a jet engine on diesel
<SilverFox>
I mean
<SilverFox>
probably maybe
<darklight>
Greys: Nitros will have longer flight times than jets
<SilverFox>
wait, diesel needs to be spray injected right?
<Greys>
you need high compression and temperature to detonate the diesel
<darklight>
nitros are essentially diesels
<darklight>
Except i should probably call them glow because I ain't going to be using nitromethane :P
<SilverFox>
diesel sounds heavy tho
<Greys>
kerocene would probably be the best weight to thrust ratio
<darklight>
That 50 dollar 0.15 is 250 grams
<angavrilov>
kerocene also doesn't get all gunky at low temperatures I presume
<darklight>
Greys: They are really methanol, the thing is that air is the limiting factor
<darklight>
methanol+castor oil essentially :P
<SilverFox>
Greys, kerosene does give good bang for buck
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<SilverFox>
which is why it's used in rockets
<darklight>
petrol motors are expensive and heavy as fuck :-/
<darklight>
They don't exist in the small sizes like glow motors do
<Greys>
I'm not concerned with economy, if you want this thing to fly for a long time you need a large amount of fuel and you need to be able to use it as slowly as possible
<SilverFox>
what is a brushless ESC?
<Greys>
electrum silver composite
<SilverFox>
im not using fuel on this glider
<Greys>
ooo, what if you put a bunch of model rockets on it, and periodically pull up into a stall and light a pair, then glide
<SilverFox>
nope
<SilverFox>
not reusable
<Greys>
darklight, you should build this
<Greys>
it'll be fuckin sweet
<darklight>
SilverFox: brushless outrunners are 3phase motors, the ESC makes 3phase for it
<SilverFox>
it does sound great
<Greys>
especially if it's autonomous
<RandomJeb>
I think you'd do much better operating a propeller or two on a diesel engine rather than fueling a jet engine with it
<darklight>
Props are the most efficent way :P
<Greys>
that's irrelevant
<darklight>
Also I'm not willing to spend heaps of money on anything, I've so far cheaped out on everything I can cheap out on
<darklight>
Apart from the receiver and the metal gear servos I guess
<darklight>
The receiver is my biggest loss, rip
<SilverFox>
go look for it
<darklight>
I will tomorrow, I did try picking up the video signal but got nothing. My sister has a phantom that we'll try with, we have a rough idea of where it is
<darklight>
(looked on google earth, I have 2 places to try)
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<darklight>
If I picked up the video signal I would have been laughing
<darklight>
As it's easy as to find with the patch antenna
<Greys>
what if you make it a vertical launch system, that takes the glider up real high and then you use subrockets to ISS it
<darklight>
I've seen gliders launched with balloons before :P
<darklight>
I'd need the OSD with the home arrow :P
<Technicalfool>
bear in mind the range on an 8oz tank with a .15 engine is going to be xbox hueg.
<darklight>
Then it wouldn't have happened
<Technicalfool>
don't you have a failsafe device?
<darklight>
Err, I only have 90cc, which is like... 3oz?
<Technicalfool>
ahfun
<Technicalfool>
still. Get a failsafe.
<darklight>
I don't have an autopilot, and I didn't intend to fly further than about 200m
<Technicalfool>
what you intend is nearly never what happens with RC craft. You should know that :P
<darklight>
I think I'm more likely to not fly FPV and go play more in 3D land
<SilverFox>
can you parallel 2 3S to get 1 6S?
<darklight>
I've mostly been ok, but out of the few times I have FPV'ed I think I've only had 2 successful flights :P
<Technicalfool>
You can try a rubber band failsafe if you don't have an electric one or thr receiver itself doesn't have a failsafe. Attach rubber band between throttle lever and airframe. If the signal or battery go, the throttle arm relaxes, and gets pulled to 0 by the rubber.
<darklight>
SilverFox: Series, otherwise you add up the mah ratings
<darklight>
Technicalfool: Oh I didn't lose transmitter or video
<darklight>
I just was lost
<darklight>
:P
<Technicalfool>
Ah, well.
<Technicalfool>
landmarks. Study them!
<SilverFox>
series adds voltage, is the S rating the voltage?
<darklight>
Eventually I decided that I wasn't finding my way back so I tried to land it near a road
<SilverFox>
thought it was Amperage
<darklight>
SilverFox: yeah
<darklight>
3s is 3 cells in series
<SilverFox>
ahhh
<Technicalfool>
yes, 3s is 3 cells, in series
<darklight>
Which is 11.1v nominal, essentially 12v battery voltages
<Technicalfool>
3s is actually a pretty beefy pack. You can get 4s and 5s, but you end up with either no range, or a massive pack.
<darklight>
I use a 40A esc which is way overkill, but overkill is better than no kill
<Technicalfool>
15c sounds bad
<darklight>
*AND USE A SEPERATE BEC*
<Technicalfool>
if you're buying a battery for putting in RC flying things or any high current job, 15c is very low.
<darklight>
So when the ESC overheats you don't lose servos, esc bec's don't have enough kick if you spam the controls either
<darklight>
As I found out the hard way
<darklight>
Technicalfool: I cheaped out on everything apart from an frsky X8R and some metal gear servos which were about 5$ each (I had 3 on it)
<darklight>
Wait, 4
<darklight>
2 ailerons, rudder, elevator :P
<Technicalfool>
heh, more talking to Silverfox there. 25c is about average for a lipo battery pack for aircraft. Good ones go to 30, 35c or so. 15c is... not great.
<SilverFox>
no spoilers?
<SilverFox>
what is the c rating?
<Technicalfool>
maximum current load
<SilverFox>
oh
<Technicalfool>
rated in multiples of the battery cap[acity
<darklight>
Basically, the mAh of the pack * the c rating
<darklight>
Yeah
<Technicalfool>
so 2000mAh 15c battery would be able to dump a max of 30 amps.
<Technicalfool>
more than that, and your battery may go assplodey.
<darklight>
The longest I used to fly was 15 minutes with the 960kv
<darklight>
But I didn't have enough power to go vertical :P
<darklight>
So I went 1500kv with 8x4, the 9x6 kinda overloads it a bit
<Technicalfool>
the old Phase 3 EF16 could go vertical for a while, but didn't *quite* have a 1.0 TWR.
<darklight>
Things are more warm then I would like anyway :P
<darklight>
Mine was a scratch build foamboard plane and I still have another 23 A1 sheets
<darklight>
So I'm not going to be lacking a plane anytime soon
<Technicalfool>
I still wanna get a Weston UK magnum going again. Got the MVVC .49 engine and a tuned pipe for it. Needs some minor airframe repair though.
<Technicalfool>
it's very... kerbal. In a "moar boostah" sense.
<darklight>
I've got a katana with a .55 on it
<darklight>
Which is why I brought a .15 so I can actually get used to nitro :P
<Technicalfool>
hah
<darklight>
I've actually got two of them...
<SilverFox>
TF, I want to build an illegal RC plane with solar assist that can fly GPS guided autonomously for 60km
<darklight>
Some guy was getting out of the hobby so I picked them up :3
<darklight>
I told SF he's an idiot :P
<Technicalfool>
you could get 60km out of a normal RC plane without any kind of solar cells.
<SilverFox>
yeah but with some solar you can have less battery
<Technicalfool>
little glow engine, massive fuel tank.
<SilverFox>
nono
<SilverFox>
no fuel
<Technicalfool>
also solar panels would need to coat the entire top side of the aircraft for very little wattage.
<Technicalfool>
you might get maybe 10-20 watts on a good day with the kind of area I'm thinking about.
<SilverFox>
they'd mainly be for power boost or backup
<Technicalfool>
small model engines want at least 130, 150 watts or so.
<kmath>
YouTube - FPV Long Range 80km full flight.
<darklight>
Bah
<darklight>
I fly with 300W :3
<SilverFox>
darklight, saw that a while ago
<darklight>
The entire plane is probably around 1kg
<SilverFox>
TF, it's going to be a glider like style
<Technicalfool>
really if you want range, glow is the way to go. WIthout spending 100s of $ on batteries that is.
<darklight>
1.5m wingspan, or whatever two a1 sheets are
<darklight>
1.7m nearly
<darklight>
By the long side long, so... 84cm long :P
<Greys>
SilverFox, I have a brilloant idear
<SilverFox>
1.5m should be enough to provide at least 100W
<darklight>
By like 150cm
<darklight>
..
<darklight>
mm
<SilverFox>
300W/m^2 from the sun, 30% efficiency, 100Wish
<Greys>
make the rocket glider as described before; but then put a bunch of propellers on it; where each propeller has a ratcheting gear released by a solenoid controlled by the arduino, variable pitch reversing props, and is powered by a rubberband
<SilverFox>
Greys, what dat
<Technicalfool>
there is no way you're getting 100 watts out of a panel that's going to fit on an RC plane.
<SilverFox>
no
<SilverFox>
TF, bunch of small light cells
<darklight>
I think the most energy dense cells are currently the 18650's from panasonic
<Greys>
then, while rocketing up reverse the props and release the ratchet, so the props will wind the rubberbands
<Technicalfool>
large panels are made out of smaller panels,.
<TheKosmonaut>
The Singapore one makes me homesick
<Greys>
I'm still really fuckin weirded out that apparently nobody lives in this apartment building anymore
<TheKosmonaut>
Greys: Is there a giant ball on a chain suspended outside?
<TheKosmonaut>
If so, you should probably vacate.
<Greys>
nope
<Greys>
in fact a surprizing quantity of white people just parked and walked in
<Greys>
when I moved in I was the only non-chaldean, then eventually a black family moved in; and now I guess the most en-car-ted chaldean family moved out?
<Greys>
today I learned that anti-semitic does not refer to hating jews
<VITAS>
"text 'dirtyBirdy to 3030 to give a home to 30 Birdy! Because Humans have stopped living in trees ages ago, so its time to give Birds a roof over their head!" :DDD
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<Greys>
would yalls watch an anime called "Only Hot Girls Go To Prison"?
<kmath>
YouTube - THE KNACK drummer Bruce Gary explaining some of his classic beats
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<xShadowx>
i wish CDs were magnetic o.o
<VITAS>
you need worm discs
<xShadowx>
(as in stick to magnet, not magnet to store data)
<VITAS>
you could find iron foil and stick it on as label
<xShadowx>
toying with robotic arm to load cd drive
<VITAS>
suction cup
<VITAS>
with pump and tube
<xShadowx>
dont lik em
<VITAS>
special claws with an half circle claw each
<xShadowx>
if anything claw-wise, grab from inside heh
* xShadowx
randomly looks at a calculator and notices the outer edge of an HDD disk spinning gets 15,000 g of force
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<Greys>
back when I was torrenting shit constantly, I used to be amazed when I got 700kb/s
<Greys>
I just downloaded rasbian at 16mB/s
<Greys>
Hyratel I have a bunch of PCB strips, about 0.7 meters long, with LEDs on them, and so far as I can tell no resistors, but also the LEDs are under these big plastic lenses so I can't actually see them, any idea how I can go about guessing at what kind of power to put into this thing?
<VITAS>
some leds come with resistors build in nowdays
<Greys>
I can't imagine how this could be anything other than parallel; I see no resistors
<Greys>
I can get my phone to focus through the lense via a lubot, but I can't get it to not refocus before taking the actual dang photo
<darklight>
I'd get a resistor that feeds it about 100mA, so maybe 100 ohms
<darklight>
10mA sounds small enough to not cause problems
<Greys>
;wa time in australia
<kmath>
Greys: current time in Australia: 5:02:31 am AEST -> Monday, May 22, 2017
<Greys>
ok fine
<darklight>
Didn't sleep..
<darklight>
The other thing you can do is a diode check on it
<Greys>
the most stable power source I have is going to be USB power bricks' 5V in an ideal world; that's a bit steep for LEDs
<Greys>
my multimeter is crap, has dead batteries, and doesn't do that
<Greys>
there's a lot of things on my to-buy list before a multimeter, and the budget's all spent, so this will need to be makeshift
<Greys>
wait, how does voltage work with parallel LEDS?
<darklight>
I'm unsure if a diode check on a multimeter would push enough current to make the voltage raise enough with a resistor
<Greys>
is 5v not much?
<Greys>
(the budget's all spent this month)
<darklight>
LEDs are short circuits above ~2-3volts
<Greys>
but more voltage more wattage more heat
<darklight>
And a 100ohm resistor will burn you quite quickly, but it'll show that the leds work :P
<Greys>
which direction is safer? 10ohm, 200ohm?
<darklight>
Not exactly, it might be 1mA at 2v, 10mV at 2.1v, and amps at 2.2v
<Greys>
sayhoot?
<darklight>
200ohm, tbh you will probably see a faint glow on 3.3k or more
<Greys>
I've lost you
<darklight>
;c 12/200
<kmath>
darklight: 0.06
<darklight>
60mA over 11
<darklight>
;c 12*0.06
<kmath>
darklight: 0.72
<darklight>
200 ohm will still go up in smoke on 12v :P
<Greys>
did I say 12 LEDs? I meant 11
<Greys>
bitchen rain today
<Greys>
so that's ohms divided by LEDs = amps per?
<darklight>
I was doing volts
<darklight>
a=v/r
<Greys>
so what's 12
<Hyratel>
Greys, start with a resistor in series sized to handle a single LED against the voltage you're testing with (probably 5v), and see how bright they are
<darklight>
And then calculated power that the resistors have to burn, which was just volts*current
<darklight>
12 was input voltage
<Hyratel>
Greys, amperage is divided across parallel LEDs, voltage is handled as if the Parallel LEDs were one larger diode
<Greys>
so parallel LEDs take more voltage
<Greys>
?
<Hyratel>
what are these originally connected to? by the URL of the first URL I'd guess edge-shot backlight for an LCD panel?
<Greys>
a 40ish inch TV, there were four of these bolted to the rear body of the screen pointing forwards
<darklight>
parallel anything takes more current ;)
<Hyratel>
amperage of parallel LEDs multiplies linearly
<Greys>
I assume these lenses are designed to spread the light around widely
<darklight>
Oh then 10mA sounds like a piddly amount of power for these, definitely safe :P
<darklight>
But you will still see them light at really piddly amounts, like 1mA
<Hyratel>
diodes are weird - they have a fixed voltage drop
<Hyratel>
that's why current limiting reistors work
<Greys>
ok so then I increase the ohms to increase the current flow to make it brighter?
<darklight>
Decrease ohms
<Hyratel>
reduce ohms to increase current
<darklight>
But because you likely have 1/4 watt resistors you might need a few 630ohm or something and parallel them
<Hyratel>
(parallel reistors divide)
<darklight>
Depends on input voltage though, the leds are almost certainly going to take 3v
<Greys>
most of my scavange bin is from a microwave and an office printer from the ninties
<Greys>
I may have some 1 watt resistors
<Hyratel>
white and blue LEDs are mostly UV+Phosphor
<Hyratel>
also 'novelty' (multi-frequency) LEDs, like pink
<darklight>
That'd be fine, depends on the value though
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<darklight>
The RGB leds aren't though, you need 3 resistors or the red led will short out the blue one :P
* darklight
goes off in random tanget
<Greys>
found a 2 watt but it's probably dead
<Greys>
one of the caps has a crack half way across and the other has a shitstain
<Greys>
if I'm interpreting the internet correctly most of what I have is half watt
<darklight>
Your looking for a resistor where the last band is brown or red
<Greys>
btw I have B10K and A1K pots, are these at all useful?
<darklight>
So long as you don't "max" them, maybe, with trimmer pots you still use a resistor to give a minimum resistence
<darklight>
Because they short circuit right at the end
<darklight>
anywhere from 500ohm to 10k will probably be fine with one of the normal small resistors
<darklight>
100 to 1k is brown band next to the gold/silver, 1k-10k is red
<darklight>
Anything red will work for testing
<darklight>
If they don't turn on they might all be in series and you need to feed them like 30v instead :P
<Greys>
yea the thing I'm worried about is that it does in one place have printed: 94V-0
<Greys>
it looks a lot like they're set up with two rails along the sides of the PCB, but it's not possible to say for sure that they aren't in series, because of the lense
<darklight>
94volts would be impossible for it
<darklight>
Unless someone was smoking some serious whacky tabacky
<darklight>
Or there is 3 leds under each lens in series, which seems unlikely
<Greys>
so, I found a bridge rectifier of resistors
<Greys>
four resistors side by side, the middle two pointed one way and the two pointed the other way
<darklight>
More likely they are in series or parallel
<darklight>
Someone didn't care about A E S T H E T I C S :P
<Greys>
brown green black gold
<darklight>
That is awefully low
<Greys>
mmkay
<darklight>
1 7? ohms
<darklight>
bbroygbvgw
<Greys>
15?
<darklight>
Yeah
<Greys>
how about brown black green gold
<darklight>
Nasty rhyme is best rhyme, I still will never forget :P
<darklight>
10 5 zeros
<darklight>
You likely have less resistence than that :P
<Greys>
brown green yellow
<Greys>
btw I have four easily accessible of the first one; they're raised up so I can just snip them off
<darklight>
pref something brown or red on that last band
<darklight>
Also, that 15 ohm one might work with 2 aa batteries
<Greys>
there's a bunch of tiny thru-hole resistors, I'd guess at most 8th watt
<darklight>
;c (12*12)/1000
<kmath>
darklight: 0.144
<Greys>
yellow purple redgold
<darklight>
red band 1/8th watt seems fine
<Greys>
red red red
<darklight>
red red red should be fine
<darklight>
Actually, with the drop of the leds on 12v, it's more like this
<Greys>
I'm confident it's at least a quarter watt
<Greys>
btw, does the background color matter at all?
<darklight>
Nope
<darklight>
Give it a try, if you are worried solder two in series for 30 ohms
<Greys>
great
<darklight>
;c 4/15
<kmath>
darklight: 0.26666666666666666
<darklight>
Err, that would be really hot, definitely solder two together :P
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<darklight>
;c 6/30
<kmath>
darklight: 0.2
<darklight>
Yeah that second one is worst case with 2, completely fine
<Greys>
I have 4 without desoldering, I could do 2x2
<darklight>
That would also be ok, but I'm not sure how much the leds want
<darklight>
two in series will still make the resistors just as hot as 2 parallel sets of 2 in series :P
<Greys>
this is setting the minimum for the pot, so 2 in series or 2 in parallel?
<darklight>
Probably forget the pot
<darklight>
Unless you want dimming
<Greys>
for testing purposes, doesn't hurt
<darklight>
Depends on the size of the pot, if it is a big volume knob off a tv it might be ok, those small 10 turn trim pots though, definitely not :P
<Greys>
B10K or A1K
<darklight>
A quick google search suggests they are fine
<Greys>
I believe the letter indicates it's curve and suitability for audio, then the max resistance
<darklight>
As long as it's not physically tiny your probably fine
<Greys>
I should have turned the soldering iron on
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<SilverFox>
Greys, which is considered a loli?
<SilverFox>
TheKosmonaut, korean fashion s ahead of american fashion, and american fashion seems to be tipping that way, so yeah
<Greys>
SilverFox, white hair
<SilverFox>
ah fuck I need to watch it again
<SilverFox>
the sluttified child looking one?
<Greys>
that describes all of them
<Greys>
apparently her name is koneko
<SilverFox>
well, do you require the group to be 18+?