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<Greys>
Kobayashi's Dragon Maid is great, but I don't think it's particularly sad
<SilverFox>
I heard of it and seen the memes
<SilverFox>
it is also acceptable
<SilverFox>
dargons are nice
<Greys>
it's a boud a japanese woman who unexpectedly becomes technically not married to another woman, and technically not the mother of a small girl
<SilverFox>
!tell Majiir NEW KDRAMA WITH FEMALE DARGON; Bride of the Water God (Habaek)
<Qboid>
SilverFox: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<Rokker>
FUCKING WEEBS
<SilverFox>
rokker-chaaaaannnn
<Supernovy>
someone's being rokkdere
<SilverFox>
Greys, can you re-define to me "moe"?
<SilverFox>
because going off the last one you gave me, it was "a sense of wanting to protect"
<Greys>
a character who invokes the desire to protect
<SilverFox>
can you define "protect" here?
<SilverFox>
because you wont like my answer
<Greys>
typically as one would protect an animal or small child
<SilverFox>
go on
<Greys>
there's no on to go
<SilverFox>
well, then as someone going into healthcare, it's in my nature to help and protect all people from harm the best I can and to take care of people within my duties and limits
<SilverFox>
so that definition of 'moe' is pretty bad in applicability to me
<Greys>
only because you're doing that thing where you intentionally ignore context in order to be an ass
<SilverFox>
interesting, the rule 34 site is completely fucked for me
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<SilverFox>
ooh boy thunder
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<Greys>
when I woke up this morning, real morning not my morning, I woke up 3 hours ago, it was raining, and the machine said it was going to rain until two hours from now; but by 11am it had stopped and has stayed stopped
<SilverFox>
"the machine"
<Greys>
yep
<SilverFox>
>dude was breathing, noticeably so
<SilverFox>
>woman comes to do CPR
<SilverFox>
>checks for breathing
<Greys>
to get his heart pumping again
<SilverFox>
no
<Greys>
yerf
<SilverFox>
use AED
<Greys>
what if you are an AED
<SilverFox>
you arent
<SilverFox>
you cant stop a heart
<SilverFox>
you stop the heart to get it to beat again
<SilverFox>
if it doesn't, they suffer brain damage until they die
<kmath>
YouTube - Minecraft 2x4x7 Signal Strength RAM
<SilverFox>
darklight, the thing wwith your cnn meme is that you wrote "journalistic" by computer, and you have it moving with the camera, rather than with the board it sits upon
<SilverFox>
this creates a very distracting and obvious error in the image
<darklight>
I was nearly not going to bother but they did a closeup on it
<darklight>
I cbf alpha masking the later screens because of the guys arm
<SilverFox>
needs more work
<SilverFox>
pls take down until fixed
<darklight>
I'm not going for alex jones's 20k prize
<SilverFox>
just giving you some critique on your farming skills
<SilverFox>
but congrats, you've leveled up to lvl 5 farming
<darklight>
I'm not sure if my pony shitpost or this one is better
<SilverFox>
pony is already disqualified
<darklight>
You've got to vote for change, this is our chance, don't be afraid to do what's right.
<SilverFox>
again, ponies are automatically disqualified
<SilverFox>
the general public doesnt enjoy pony memes
<darklight>
That is because they have not discovered the magic of friendship
<SilverFox>
naw thats because liking animated ponies as an adult is cringey as fuck
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<darklight>
Silverfox even the anti-commie episode? :3
<G-Mobile>
the flesh has one giant mutant eye, that can see an expanded spectrum, and smell
<G-Mobile>
Flesh*
<SilverFox>
wait the eye can smell?
<G-Mobile>
Yep
<G-Mobile>
it can also regrow it's cornea
<SilverFox>
Greys, down in america is paypal -> bank transfers instant or do you have to wait the 3 days?
<G-Mobile>
paypall has decided that I cant use their service.
<SilverFox>
why?
<darklight>
wat
<SilverFox>
y-you didn't talk shit about our great overlord Elon Musk the Great did you?
<G-Mobile>
Paypal is not a democracy, why doesnt matter
<SilverFox>
so I found a survey answering site and im taking a survey, input the info and it comes back to me with "unfortunately it appears that you have already participated in this survey" nigga u wot
<G-Mobile>
so you have flash?
<SilverFox>
no
<G-Mobile>
Do you have flesh?
<SilverFox>
I AM OF HOOMAN
<SilverFox>
I have flesh like humans have because I am most certainly of type human
<SilverFox>
no doubt about it no siree
<G-Mobile>
It appears you have already answered this question, please wait five minutes before reloading the page
<SilverFox>
fuck you
<G-Mobile>
Your session is about to expire
<SilverFox>
reload
<G-Mobile>
would you like to sign up for our local sexfriends network?
<SilverFox>
can i delete my account if i dont like the site?
<G-Mobile>
"Yes*"
<SilverFox>
sick
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<G-Mobile>
Additional required accounts with other service providers may or may not respect your rights
<darklight>
People have rights?
<SilverFox>
"Which car is this?" "Sweden, Findland, Norway, Denmark"
<darklight>
Rubot couldn't handle other robots around
<SilverFox>
thing is, the images are broken and arent loading, so I have to guess at them
<SilverFox>
man all the comments on this are great
<G-Mobile>
Pence touching the nasa panel
<SilverFox>
"I've never driven a Norway before"
<SilverFox>
Greys, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
<G-Mobile>
Jawbone went under?
<G-Mobile>
They're old as shit
<G-Mobile>
Yea they were founded in 99
<G-Mobile>
So this company went 18 years
<G-Mobile>
they fucking graduated from highschool and then didnt get intobcollege
<SilverFox>
I wonder if its possible to make money by spending it in such a way that you just stack the fuck out of cashback options and services
<SilverFox>
like those people who coupon so hard that the stores owe them money and they walk out with a year's worth of groceries
<G-Mobile>
darksilver, if you had a closed chamber wireless charger atleast big enough inside to fit a 5.5" smartphone, a smaet watch, and a rigid band headset like the LG tone, could you seriously improve efficacy and range?
<G-Mobile>
Like to the point where at night you ungracefully dump all your shit in a "bowl", the bowl closes its lid when you leave, and in the morning everything is good
<SilverFox>
this would make me very uncomfortable because im autistic
<G-Mobile>
irreeeeelevent
<SilverFox>
is the wireless beam coming from the bottom or top of the thing?
<SilverFox>
depending on design, it would stop charging if I lifted the lid to take something out
<G-Mobile>
Undefined, probably bottom or sides
<G-Mobile>
It could be a ring around the container so the volume exists inside the coil
<SilverFox>
what about cancer on my hand if I reach inside it?
<G-Mobile>
is your hand a ghost?
<G-Mobile>
Ghosts are immune to disease effects
<SilverFox>
this survey asked me if I speak french or english, I answered english, it gave me the survey in french
<G-Mobile>
yep
<G-Mobile>
anyway I'm serious
<G-Mobile>
could a well designed inductive container make this stuff work better
<G-Mobile>
and how does shape impact that
<SilverFox>
well, what frequency does this run at?
<SilverFox>
if its a certain range, you can do what microwaves do
<G-Mobile>
like, could you have a drawer/jewelry box, or does the volume need to be smoother
<SilverFox>
think like a microwave
<SilverFox>
and that's the best for signal bouncing and shit
<G-Mobile>
Did you change your prescription?
<SilverFox>
to what?
<G-Mobile>
To annoying
<SilverFox>
you're the one who asked me
<SilverFox>
you wanted my opinion so I gave it to you
<G-Mobile>
darklight: you have anything relevant to the question, instead of useless distractions and demands for nonexistent information
<SilverFox>
ask hyratel
<G-Mobile>
i cant go spending hyrtickets like that
<SilverFox>
he charges you for answers?
<SilverFox>
assdick move if you ask me
<G-Mobile>
he's a very sensitive princess who doesnt like innovation
<SilverFox>
i see
<SilverFox>
"Available for shipping within the Canada"
<SilverFox>
nice one Vive
<SilverFox>
well i dont know electronics stuff
<SilverFox>
especially theory work
<SilverFox>
can you program UPS's to not beep like a motherfucker when power is disconnected?
<G-Mobile>
it varies, mine can
<SilverFox>
ive been thinking of how a portable pc can work, like a laptop, but desktop instead
<G-Mobile>
a lot dont have any data link, and a lot with the link only output data, but if you buy a moderately decent one it should have a fair suite of configuration
<G-Mobile>
if you want it to be portable you'll need larger batteries, and they'll need to be deep cycle
<G-Mobile>
this is a good question for hyrty
<SilverFox>
I think a VR laptop would be the way to go in terms of a portable VR rig
<SilverFox>
although they're stupid expensive
<G-Mobile>
Or a microtower
<SilverFox>
I am building out a mini-ITX build
<SilverFox>
with those new Ryzen processors
<G-Mobile>
No no, a microtower
<G-Mobile>
smaller
<SilverFox>
smaller than ITX?
<G-Mobile>
Custom non-format motherboard and chassis
<SilverFox>
sounds expensive
<G-Mobile>
linus has covered at least twenty this year
<SilverFox>
yeah
<SilverFox>
I've been following those
<SilverFox>
Greys, I found a streamer who has a stereo mic locked to the left channel and doesnt mono that shit
<SilverFox>
they're stationary sitting at a desk, there is no need for stereo
<G-Mobile>
stereo mics mostly dont exist
<SilverFox>
too bad, her voice was locked to my left ear
<G-Mobile>
you can have stereo mic setups, but thats a waste
<SilverFox>
background music was mono
<G-Mobile>
good mics return two channel symmetric
<G-Mobile>
good streaming software can double the channel over
<SilverFox>
it was a shitty desktop mic
<G-Mobile>
This is her fault
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<SilverFox>
I also hate streamers that stop the music they're playing just to talk
<SilverFox>
like, you dont need to, your annoying nasally voice is easily hearable over the music
<G-Mobile>
unless theyre shitty at balance
<SilverFox>
no, but yes, they are
<G-Mobile>
Also I think xplit can duck an audio source relative to another
<SilverFox>
xsplit can suck a dick
<G-Mobile>
yes well obs does suck a dick so pick your poison
<SilverFox>
obs
<SilverFox>
not going to pay to suck dicks
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<SilverFox>
THE WEEBS REEEEEEEEEE
<darklight>
home
<darklight>
Silverfox wireless power transfer is 10's of kilohertz
<SilverFox>
cool
<darklight>
So nowhere near radio bands
<SilverFox>
you take over
<darklight>
OBS is free
<darklight>
afaik
<SilverFox>
indeed it is
<darklight>
And if you are inclined I'm sure you could pay to suck dicks.
<darklight>
Some people gain too much money and they have to get rid of it
<G-Mobile>
3mm wall thickness, so 7mm internal width
<G-Mobile>
;wa 283.529mm^2/7mm
<kmath>
G-Mobile: (283.529 mm^2 (square millimeters))/(7 mm (millimeters)): 40.504 mm (millimeters)
<G-Mobile>
so just over 46mm wide, but half the depth, and very cool looking
<G-Mobile>
its a low pressure system so structural concerns are minimal
<G-Mobile>
is flow through a square tube significantly worse than a round tube?
<SilverFox>
probably
<VITAS>
give G-Mobile a heart shaped tube
<SilverFox>
things will bounce of corners and stuff
<lpghatguy>
darklight: it seems like a lot of people are sick of the "point guns at things" VR games
<SilverFox>
and there will be corner sections that are 90 degrees that have circling water in the corner
<lpghatguy>
but yeah, there are a couple zombie ones I guess
<lpghatguy>
I'm excited for Horshoes and Hand Grenades and Robo Recall tomorrow when my Touch controllers get here :D
<SilverFox>
so that introduces inefficiencies
<darklight>
I wouldn't say significant
<darklight>
But it's a lot easier to put a thread on a round thing than a square thing
<SilverFox>
yeah, itd be a like the shit that comes with a square planet rather than circle
<SilverFox>
gravity will be weird
<G-Mobile>
Corners can be handled by tube bending or with fittings, so there arent hard corners
<SilverFox>
basically you want this system as aerodynamic as possible
<lpghatguy>
what if you had circular tubes, but the outer part of the tube bulged to a square profile?
<SilverFox>
like... a train track system
<SilverFox>
minimize tight corners and such
<G-Mobile>
I think this system is fetishistic enough that optimizing flow isnt strictly necessary
<G-Mobile>
people who want optimum performance dont care about being badass
<G-Mobile>
circles in rectangles would require a lot more space
<lpghatguy>
this is not true
<lpghatguy>
the badass thing
<lpghatguy>
optimum performance *is* being badass
<VITAS>
optimal isnt achievable
<darklight>
What type of watercooling are we talking about?
<darklight>
PC?
<G-Mobile>
Pc
<G-Mobile>
btw, not square, 1cmx4.7cm
<SilverFox>
semantics
<darklight>
Outside of all in ones, watercooling is a meme, and even then watercooling might still be a meme with intels 65w cpus
<G-Mobile>
really not
<SilverFox>
everyone knows we're talking about four 90 degree corners
<G-Mobile>
you can fit any circle in a square of the same size
<G-Mobile>
to fit the same area of the circle in smaller circles in a rectangle, you need a really big rectangle
<G-Mobile>
also thats going to have much more friction
<darklight>
I have no idea about skin friction, but I would be worrying about cross sectional area and the flow rate...
<G-Mobile>
i just calculated crossectional area
<darklight>
Also the advantage of tubing is that you can see into it, and you can move things
<darklight>
And you don't need brazing skills
<G-Mobile>
1x4.7 has the same area as a 1.3 ID tube
<G-Mobile>
wtf have you assumed
<darklight>
You are talking about solid rectangular pipes right?
<darklight>
Well
<darklight>
Like RHS but tiny
<G-Mobile>
yes, of plastic or glass
<SilverFox>
glass would be no
<SilverFox>
temperature differences are bad for glass
<VITAS>
anot that G-Mobile can read what im writing but turbulence is more important thatn area. you could have a 6 lane highway. if half of the cars move arround like crazy it wouldnt help
<SilverFox>
and it'd such in general to shatter
<darklight>
SF you are a silly
<G-Mobile>
Borrosilicate glass
<SilverFox>
suck*
<G-Mobile>
already a thing
<G-Mobile>
~g borosulicate glass hard tube pc watercooling
<darklight>
SF you can totally blowtorch glass and bend it
<VITAS>
no he has me on his ignore list
<darklight>
Greys unblock vitas
<G-Mobile>
no
<SilverFox>
well I agree with him in that turbulence is more important than crosssectional area
<VITAS>
see
<SilverFox>
you can have a 6 lane highway, but its not that good if the cars move around all the time for no reason
<VITAS>
i somehow hit the G-spot :P
<darklight>
Silverfox it especially doesn't help when commies have set half the cars on fire either
<SilverFox>
that as well
<SilverFox>
be careful for flaming cars is your tubing greys
<SilverFox>
in*
<darklight>
Speaking of which, I got a video to watch :3
<G-Mobile>
then let's take it up to 1cmx5 and pack each section with clear drinking straws, that's how they make the water fountain things and it wouldn't sacrifice much flow volume
<darklight>
Much tolerancr
<darklight>
*tolerance
<darklight>
Such peace
<VITAS>
not commies but mere idiots
<VITAS>
the idea is that everybody shoukld have the same not nobody should have nice things
<VITAS>
they where suggesting to send those individuals along with valdimir so he can put them into some gulak
<SilverFox>
gulag
<VITAS>
that thing
<G-Mobile>
might even be able to get away with just having about an inch of straws after each corner fitting
<VITAS>
i was so upset. because they dotn even know what theyre talking about. and wanting peoiple to starve and freeze to death in horrible conditions is even worse than torching ones car
<VITAS>
the fun thing with G-Mobile blocking me is that hes like some elderly person not registering the direction of the conversation
<VITAS>
he just keeps on mumbeling
<VITAS>
about pipes
<VITAS>
:D
<G-Mobile>
it's safe to say that if the water in your cooling loop on a PC ever hits 100C, you're done fuckt, so as long as plastic straws don't biodegrade at temperatures below that, you're good, they'll make the flow all laminar and great
<G-Mobile>
this may even be a great way to improve flow characteristics in loops built for performance
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<VITAS>
btw ive set up a space engineers server on spacedock.info
<G-Mobile>
btw SilverFox, glass hardtube loops have two main advantages, glass has much lower friction, and glass isn't permiable; all soft tubes lose water to evaporation through the plastic/rubber/etc tube walls
<kmath>
YouTube - My Little Pony: Equestria Girls – Mirror Magic
<G-Mobile>
if you could find extremely thin glass tubes that'd probably be the ideal lamilarinator, short of that metal is probably a lot easier to come by
<VITAS>
.tell G-Mobile hello :D
<VITAS>
!tell G-Mobile hello :D
<Qboid>
VITAS: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<SilverFox>
if you used metal it'd conduct heat and allow for better thermals because it could radiate some heat out of the tubing
<G-Mobile>
only on the return loop (going to the radiator is always return, coming from the radiator is always supply)
<Qboid>
G-Mobile: VITAS left a message for you in #kspmodders [08.07.2017 08:03:42]: "hello :D"
<SilverFox>
what I'd like to see is metal tubing with tiny heatsinks on it so that the tubing system can release heat
<VITAS>
and a tiny leak so water can directly evaporate :D
<G-Mobile>
so I guess an ideal loop would be glass from the rad, metal going back
<G-Mobile>
but the trick with metal is you can only have one metal in your system
<SilverFox>
yeah, you want the cold isolated
<G-Mobile>
if you have copper and alluminum it'll corrode via electrolosys
<SilverFox>
why is that?
<SilverFox>
that's interesting
<G-Mobile>
yes, and a pain
<SilverFox>
isnt that how you do electrolysis plating?
<darklight>
Fluids leak through rubber hoses?
<lpghatguy>
you'd run a current through the water
<G-Mobile>
copper is a better conductor, so if you want to have copper heatsinks, you have to have all copper fittings anywhere the water touches
<darklight>
Maybe that's why we have to put 20L of oil in the harvester every day :D
<RandomJeb>
darklight: yes, fluids leak through a lot of shit we use for containment of fluids
<SilverFox>
also, you can get better performance if you use distilled water instead of tap
<SilverFox>
it'll save you on having to use anti-bio shit
<G-Mobile>
yea but distilled water really fucking wants to not be distilled water, and will do so by sucking contaminants out of whatever it can
<darklight>
All the water keeps leaking out of my air conditioning hose on the tractor!
<darklight>
:P
<G-Mobile>
if you had very good copper fittings and glass tube hardline that may stay distilled for a year or so, but it's going to stop being distilled at some point, and it'll probably do it by sucking mineral content out of your seals
<G-Mobile>
copper drinking straws are pretty thin and reasonably cheap, if you cut them up
<G-Mobile>
a set of four is 13$, and you could probably do 3 or 4 fittings with that to lamilize the flow
<RandomJeb>
I'd think that system would stay distilled for about 2 minutes
<RandomJeb>
by which time contaminants on the insides of your glass tube and copper fittings will have gotten into the water
<SilverFox>
sterilize all parts
<G-Mobile>
assuming the system was clean to start with
<SilverFox>
clean thoroughly with alcohol
<G-Mobile>
sonic cleaner before and after, maybe involve a degreaser
<darklight>
SF my sis put anti bio shit in and also has a bit of silver for some reason
<RandomJeb>
definitely degrease
<G-Mobile>
yea, degreaser, sonic cleaner, alcohol, sonic cleaner, autoclave
<SilverFox>
silver for the conduction probably
<G-Mobile>
silver because it's an antibio
<SilverFox>
maybe antibio?
<G-Mobile>
and it's a permanent antibio
<darklight>
She thinks its anti bacterial
<SilverFox>
it is
<G-Mobile>
and it's cheaper than titanium
<SilverFox>
put silver in a human being and watch what havok it reeks
<G-Mobile>
also silver colloids pretty well, I'm not sure how titanium likes being in a fluid
<SilverFox>
depends on its polarity
<G-Mobile>
for that matter copper particles would work but both copper and titanium may be a hazard to the pump and radiator
<SilverFox>
them dipole moments and such
<SilverFox>
if it's polarized then it'll dissolve in water more easily
<G-Mobile>
waaaaaaow
<G-Mobile>
"a 2012 systemic review reported that topical silver showed a significantly worsened healing time compared to controls, and showed no evidence of effectiveness in preventing wound infection"
<SilverFox>
told ya it was antibio
<G-Mobile>
ok so they didn't compare it to true controls
<G-Mobile>
reading the abstract they compared it with non-silver based wound dressings
<G-Mobile>
14 RCTs, 877 participants, only positive result was a trial regarding burn wounds
<G-Mobile>
I was hoping that the study would have had a significant correlation against no action, and they were saying that topical silver was worse than nothing
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<narwhalz0111>
o/
<G-Mobile>
anyway darklight, look up the wikipedia page for medical uses of silver, in all likelihood your sister is just contaminating her fluids
<narwhalz0111>
I'm back with another problem.
<SilverFox>
~kspm
<FoxBot9000>
If you haven't already, you can try asking the question in #kspmodding for a more related/accurate response.
<SilverFox>
just in case
<darklight>
o/ narwhalz
<narwhalz0111>
How might I get a Vessel reference from a PartModule?
<darklight>
From Part?
<narwhalz0111>
vessel and part.vessel both appear to be null.
<darklight>
They are null while the vessel is unloaded
<narwhalz0111>
Yes, but the vessel is loaded.
<narwhalz0111>
With physics.
<narwhalz0111>
And driving around.
<darklight>
Otherwise they are ProtoPartSnapshot and ProtoVessel
<darklight>
Ah
<narwhalz0111>
Is there a particular time at which I should be looking?
<narwhalz0111>
I've tried Start, FixedUpdate, and LateUpdate.
<G-Mobile>
isLoaded()? Is that a thing?
<narwhalz0111>
Not according to the docs.
<darklight>
Those are all different things, start fires once obviously, FixedUpdate is the physics frame
<SilverFox>
I still think that if you havent already, you should ask the question in #kspmodding as they are very helpful with these things and are usually efficient at getting the question resolved
<G-Mobile>
there are no docs
<darklight>
vessel.loaded is though, but shouldn't be a problem
<narwhalz0111>
Alright, I'll go ask in that channel.
<darklight>
Sf shut up for a sec
<SilverFox>
have you tried Flightglobals.ActiveVessel?
<narwhalz0111>
:D
<narwhalz0111>
Ah, that might work.
<SilverFox>
that one shouldnt be null if you have a flying craft
<SilverFox>
if it is then mmmboy
<darklight>
I think you have to wait for FlightGlobals.ready before playing around with things during the start of the flight
<narwhalz0111>
Loading it up now.
<darklight>
Also definitely check that you are loaded :P
<narwhalz0111>
Until I have a vessel reference, it does nothing but look for one.
<SilverFox>
if you're doing physics stuff with the vessel, go for FixedUpdate
<narwhalz0111>
It also waits until MET+10s before doing anything else, but it needs a vessel to find MET.
<SilverFox>
why that arbitrary time?
<darklight>
Because met is mission time
<SilverFox>
yeah but +10s
<darklight>
Just check for loaded and unpacked
<narwhalz0111>
Because it seems reasonable to wait until the vessel has settled.
<G-Mobile>
narwhalz0111: get everything opened in ilspy or whatever, thems your docs
<SilverFox>
g-mobile pls
<G-Mobile>
your face silver
<SilverFox>
your mouth gars
<narwhalz0111>
Okay, that hasn't worked either.
<G-Mobile>
that's what your mother said
<SilverFox>
FlightGlobals.ActiveVessel gives you a null ref?
<darklight>
Oh
<SilverFox>
with a focused vessel?
<darklight>
That can NRE
<narwhalz0111>
The try-catch is going to the catch.
<narwhalz0111>
And yes, a focused vessel.
<darklight>
One sec
<SilverFox>
fuck man, im out
<darklight>
Because KSP devs are silly
<SilverFox>
they are rather silly
<G-Mobile>
they were
<G-Mobile>
now they're robits
<SilverFox>
so do ask in modding, im sure they have some ideas
<G-Mobile>
stop stepping on darky's fun
<narwhalz0111>
Alright, I'll go there too.
* narwhalz0111
can into multiple tabs!
<darklight>
FlightGlobals.ActiveVessel does this: return FlightGlobals.fetch.activeVessel;
<darklight>
Check FlightGloblas.fetch != null
<darklight>
*FlightGlobals
<darklight>
You might have to skip a few frames, I'd probably do this as a one shot either in Update or FixedUpdate
<narwhalz0111>
It does it continually until it finds something.
<narwhalz0111>
Grossly inefficient, but I just need it to work right now.
<darklight>
So, the full thing should be: FlightGlobals.ready && FlightGlobals.fetch != null would be required
<G-Mobile>
since when is having a vessel reference doubtable?
<darklight>
G-Mobile: Since KSP decided singletons were the next best thing since sliced bread
<SilverFox>
you never know
<darklight>
FlightGlobals.ActiveVessel first reference FlightGlobals.fetch, which *is* doubtable
<G-Mobile>
darklight: that doesn't sound like something new, and I've never had nor seen such an issue before
<darklight>
I'll NRE on Start and probably the first FixedUpdate or Update
<darklight>
It'll almost certainly be fine the second frame
<G-Mobile>
that's entirely bullshit
<SilverFox>
this is why we have modding
<darklight>
Look at the fucking IL
<darklight>
It gets worse
<narwhalz0111>
I'm in kspmodding as well.
<darklight>
In 0.90 with the contract thing iirc, they removed orbit renderer which was a good way of definitely checking a vessel was fine to poke around at
<darklight>
:P
<G-Mobile>
.90 was a lot of mistakes
<darklight>
narwhalz0111: We do a lot of crap talking in this channel, but I'm not going to hang around in a place with rules which is why I'm here :P
<darklight>
Silverfox is being a cunt though
<SilverFox>
oi u fuckin wut mate
<SilverFox>
you tryna fight there bruv?
<G-Mobile>
I feel like .90 was the beginning of when a lot of the good modders started having better things to do
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<darklight>
You've told people to bugger off a few times when you shouldn't have :P
<SilverFox>
to modding or just in general?
<G-Mobile>
sometimes you should, but dark is fucking actively engaged in this aquatic mammal's aeronautic concerns
<narwhalz0111>
Alright, here's the problematic class, if it helps.
<G-Mobile>
it's like you're at a bar with your bud and this girl keeps chatting him up and you keep shoving her off to another table saying "those guys are way more attractive"
<SilverFox>
is your github name little-endian or something?
<narwhalz0111>
It might be.
<narwhalz0111>
What's it to you?
<G-Mobile>
it's a really common midrange nerd term, I'm quite certain we've had at least two problematic individuals by that name over the years
<darklight>
narwhalz0111: Instantly, the first thing that's wrong is static
<SilverFox>
and im going to guess: Not enough ternaries
<darklight>
Probably don't use Start() for part.vessel
<narwhalz0111>
Which thing's problematically static?
<SilverFox>
carpets
<GlassYuri>
what darklight said, I don't think you should use any of the standard unity functions here
<G-Mobile>
it doesn't get interesting because there's nothing to achieve and the terrain is insignificant
<narwhalz0111>
I'm down to 1/3 sim speed with just the tape reader.
<G-Mobile>
performance is less important than being possible at all
<narwhalz0111>
As for "nothing to achieve," you might be right.
<narwhalz0111>
But that's not the point.
<G-Mobile>
at least in SE you can make things for a self driving car to route about
<darklight>
narwhalz0111: You know, I'm pretty sure there's a dedicated autpilot method
<narwhalz0111>
The mountains to the west of the KSC are interesting.
<narwhalz0111>
Does it involve SAS?
<darklight>
Perhaps poke at mechjeb, but iirc if you hook GameEvents.OnPartCreated or something silly like that you can register.... is it in FlightInputHandler?
<darklight>
I forget
<G-Mobile>
less interesting than you'd think, they're functionally insurmountable unless you throw logic out the window
<narwhalz0111>
(FlightGlobals.ready && FlightGlobals.fetch != null) is returning false even several tens of frames into simulation.
<darklight>
There's definitely a method/event dedicated for autopilot stuff
<SilverFox>
flybywire ?
<darklight>
That might actually be what the method is called
<SilverFox>
there is a method/thing called that
<narwhalz0111>
I'm using Vessel.srf_velocity and so on for inputs.
<narwhalz0111>
And Vessel.ctrlState for the outputs.
<G-Mobile>
what's your vision system look like?
<G-Mobile>
it's not just stability monitoring is it?
<narwhalz0111>
Position, velocity, and their angular equivalents.
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<narwhalz0111>
I'll refine the network when I can get the rest of the thing working.
<narwhalz0111>
I had it as a VesselModule earlier, but I had some issues involving random asteroids and more, different NREs.
<G-Mobile>
as a programming quality challenge you should write this thing as a KSP interaction wrapper and then an abstracted control core that you could pull out and later run on a real world device getting the same information from sensors
<narwhalz0111>
There's a reason I have separate modules for managing inputs and outputs.
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<narwhalz0111>
I've already changed the kind of input/output twice.
<G-Mobile>
as a super challege, make the wrapper be one DLL, and the control system be another DLL, and the control DLL isn't allowed to touch anything outside of the wrapper
<G-Mobile>
make it totally unaware of unity and KSP
<narwhalz0111>
I should probably manage my intermodule stuff better, but I think I'm not far off from that.
<G-Mobile>
it'll only ever be a less suitable time to make it how you want it
<narwhalz0111>
Of course.
<G-Mobile>
gimme 5$
<SilverFox>
i only charge tree fiddy
<G-Mobile>
yea but your advice is harmful
<darklight>
Would you say SilverFox has Harmful Opinions?
<SilverFox>
KEK
<SilverFox>
E
<SilverFox>
K
<G-Mobile>
he's mostly harmless
<TotallyNotHuman_>
'mostly'
<TotallyNotHuman_>
\:s
<SilverFox>
who the fuck are you
<darklight>
Obviously they are a robit
<G-Mobile>
that's bob
<G-Mobile>
you replaced him
<SilverFox>
nice
<SilverFox>
how's it feel being unemployed, punk?
<G-Mobile>
there can be only one
<G-Mobile>
why does adult swim insist on having all these comedy shows look terrible
<narwhalz0111>
Well, I'm out for the night.
<SilverFox>
if you dare say rick and morty looks terrible i'll have to ban you
<G-Mobile>
zingodingo or whatever was literally garysmod
<narwhalz0111>
If you guys come up with anything helpful, message me.
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<SilverFox>
yeah we can totes message you dude
<G-Mobile>
the other one was like three popcorn puffs strung together
<SilverFox>
Greys, red vs blue is literally halo editor
<TotallyNotHuman_>
Outta here too.
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<G-Mobile>
yea but that's not adult swim, that's protoyoutube
<G-Mobile>
like, as bad as it was, robot chicken was visually creative
<G-Mobile>
they have what, four shows that are literally family guy?
<SilverFox>
i only know of two
<G-Mobile>
aquateens, sealab, harvy birdmn, squidbillies, mission hill, and home movies were probably produced by a single newgrounds animator each
<G-Mobile>
btw, rick and morty is one of those four
<SilverFox>
that deserves a kick
<SilverFox>
how dare you speak so lowly of rick and morty
<G-Mobile>
it's funnier, but it's not better
<SilverFox>
its even in a different style
<SilverFox>
family guy style is to do a bit, act like the joke isnt occuring while making it, go elsewhere, make a joke, show the house for 3 seconds then go inside it and make another joke
<kmath>
YouTube - Let's Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl - S10 P2 - Find Strelok, Make Strelok pass out
<SilverFox>
have you been binging this?
<G-Mobile>
I'm currently watching his stalker 3 LP in real time, and watching through the old series in the mean time, to break up podcasts
<SilverFox>
>watching
<SilverFox>
>podcasts
* darklight
is watching an interview
* darklight
kinda wants to see greys's utopian rule, but not live under it
<darklight>
G-Mobile you should come up with the 10 commandments for your rule
<SilverFox>
yes
<SilverFox>
do it
<SilverFox>
N-Commandments
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<darklight>
Also kinda curious about you sf
<darklight>
Its kinda hard to point out your values if you don't know what they are :)
<SilverFox>
I agree with canadian values, and less so this new-age trudeau shit
<darklight>
define canadian values, and I mean much more core
<SilverFox>
1. have common decency and morals
<SilverFox>
2. treat others the way you wish to be treated
<darklight>
2 is the golden rule
<SilverFox>
3. a man is judged not by how he treats his superiors, but his inferiors; dont treat those under you like shit
<darklight>
Which is pretty fucking important for people :P
<SilverFox>
4. stop speeding on the fucking highway and cursing me out because I do speed limit, kthnx
<SilverFox>
5. feminism is stupid and needs to go
<SilverFox>
adapt egalitarianism
<SilverFox>
6, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<SilverFox>
7 phones shall not be sold locked
<SilverFox>
8. having shitty internet is a crime worse than murder
<SilverFox>
9. it doesnt matter how "triggering" shit may be in a court, evidence is evidence and shall be presented as such in the court of law regardless of feels
<SilverFox>
10. you are innocent until proven guilty
<SilverFox>
11. there will be mandates for pay -> condition relationship
<darklight>
I like how you completely left out freedom of speech
<SilverFox>
thats in the charter
<SilverFox>
12. import canada.charterOfRights;
<darklight>
Looking at the world is turning me into a free speech absolutist and that's annoying me
<SilverFox>
13. the canadian dollar shall always be equal to or above the usd
<darklight>
Like I used to be pragmatic about it, but I've kinda come to feel that if the media can lie without repercussion then so should everyone else.
<darklight>
Absolutist being "no such thing as hate speech or slander/libel"
<SilverFox>
I disagree there
<SilverFox>
"fuck the whites" is hating against a race
<SilverFox>
oh yeah
<darklight>
I know, but what is the punishment for the crime
<SilverFox>
14. it is possible to be racist against white people, fuck off
<SilverFox>
i never said it was a crime
<SilverFox>
but it is speech of hate
<darklight>
Then the definition of hate speech in law is therefore useless
<darklight>
This is where shit gets really touchy though, the feels versus speech thing
<SilverFox>
people call me a useless fuck, am I going to ban them? no
<SilverFox>
do they deserve prison? no
<SilverFox>
are they assholes? yes
<darklight>
Think about what you are allowing
<SilverFox>
can I call them assholes? yes
<SilverFox>
what is it that I am allowing?
<darklight>
Would you ban actual neo-nazi rallies :P
<SilverFox>
hrmmm
<darklight>
(Apparently neo nazi is most scary group. That or jihadi recruiters)
<SilverFox>
well, there is right of peaceful protest
<SilverFox>
however this isnt really protest of anything
<SilverFox>
if they classify as protest, then there isnt much I can do
<SilverFox>
if it's just general hate speech, then I would tell the public I do not approve of it, but just because I do not approve of something means it should be illegal
<darklight>
You're far more absolutist than I would have thought, what about defamation?
<SilverFox>
its Not Nice(tm)
<darklight>
"darklight is racist!" :P
<SilverFox>
please dont do it
<Supernovy>
anarcho-silverfoxitalism
<SilverFox>
can you give an example of defamation?
<darklight>
How about a year long court trial for a guy who says "So we are fighting racial discrimation with racial discrimination?"
<darklight>
The horror, the horror!
<SilverFox>
is this about omar?
<darklight>
Australian guy
<SilverFox>
racial discrimination is bad mkay
egg|zzz|egg is now known as egg|saturn_v|egg
<darklight>
Started an argument against 14D of the racial discrimination act iirc
<darklight>
No that was literally the sentance
<darklight>
Was posted on facebook
<darklight>
Also how are you still awake?
<G-Mobile>
why didn't they make that phantom dust game
<G-Mobile>
I know why but still why
<SilverFox>
im still awake because im synced with someone in britain right now
<darklight>
Are you scamming someone because 1 GBP is like over 9000CAD
<SilverFox>
naw, watching goblin
<darklight>
G-Mobile, what are your utopian rules or values
<G-Mobile>
my what?
<SilverFox>
if you had to guide the earth to righteousness, how do?
<G-Mobile>
#1, forbid negative balances on civilian banking acounts
<SilverFox>
how would you resolve the owing of money thusly?
<G-Mobile>
so if I buy a thing, and you let me leave with the thing, and my account would go into the negative, you get nothing
<G-Mobile>
therefore you are going to fucking resolve the transaction before I leave
<SilverFox>
mmmmmmmmmmmkay
<SilverFox>
next
<G-Mobile>
and I will always know that the money my account says I have, I do actually have
<kmath>
YouTube - Let's Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl - S10 P3 - Find Strelok, Make Strelok pass out
<G-Mobile>
#3, every year on your taxes there's a box with two options, the first option is 50$ worth of socks
<SilverFox>
which part, the phasing through the bed and weird walking animations?
<G-Mobile>
the second option is 50$
<G-Mobile>
the randomly appearing barrel
<G-Mobile>
so every year every citizen gets the option of receiving free government socks, or 50$
<G-Mobile>
every single one, no conditionals
<G-Mobile>
oh btw, that's a different video
<SilverFox>
im making an ammendment to my laws
<SilverFox>
N. "welfare families" will be forbidden. No family should live their lives on welfare and grow up children on welfare to have them in the system to
<SilverFox>
too*
<G-Mobile>
#4, every citizen who makes less than 150% of the poverty line, as determined by an estimated cost of housing and food within their electoral district, will be exempt from taxs. This includes income and taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes
<SilverFox>
N+1. all pregnancies should be reported to hospitals and they will be handled, free of charge, if there was charge to begin with that the basic universal healthcare system doesnt already cover, these checkups are mandatory and regular, but also flexible in timing, this also is ammended to include children up to the age of 15
<SilverFox>
Greys, then you have a bunch of people working 149% and abusing the system
<SilverFox>
thus people who make 150% make less than those of 149% because taxes
<G-Mobile>
sales taxes will be deactivated via a food card system that such individuals will be automatically entered into, which will provide them with a foodstamps style system budgeted for and valid for a scientifically viable diet of fresh foods
<G-Mobile>
these budgets will again be determined based on availability in their locale
<SilverFox>
but how do you prevent the 149%?
<G-Mobile>
additionally there will be a service offered by designated critical providers within each region where units of the diet can be purchased pre packaged so shopping is not difficult
<SilverFox>
and how do you get rid of the consequential negative stigma which will result around the 150-165% mark where the taxes will be deducted in a way that leaves you with <150%
<G-Mobile>
so you go to the grocery store and pick up a crate of 1, 3, 7, 14, days of balanced food
<Supernovy>
a progressive tax, clearly.
<SilverFox>
and isnt that a system already in place?
<G-Mobile>
easy, give employers large benefits for getting people out of the 150% realm
<SilverFox>
we need to write all this down somewhere
<G-Mobile>
like IRC?
<SilverFox>
no, like more permanent places
<SilverFox>
and keep tally of all this shit
<SilverFox>
and add to it as we go
<G-Mobile>
like 4chan?
<SilverFox>
definitely not 4chan
<SilverFox>
the buffer for my client spans more time than a 4 chan thread
<darklight>
"You are a wuss! Then again I'm saying that as an australian where spiders are... they're just kinda roommates"
<SilverFox>
N+2 fuck spiders, ew
<G-Mobile>
#6, reward companies for improving their employees, punish them for abusing employees
<SilverFox>
I mean, dont we punish them for abusing employees?
<G-Mobile>
I don't want them to just pay people more to get bonuses, I want them to make those people worth more and pay them appropriately
<SilverFox>
isnt that what HR is for?
<G-Mobile>
no, we don't
<SilverFox>
what the fuck is HR's job?
<G-Mobile>
to protect men from women
<SilverFox>
im quite sure its the other way around nowadays, but okay
<G-Mobile>
to protect the company from employees
<SilverFox>
anwyawys, im off to bed
<G-Mobile>
to punish employees for not working too hard enough
<SilverFox>
that's not HR's job
<G-Mobile>
silverfox, look into all the HR fuckups like two months ago
<G-Mobile>
there's one from uber in particular where many many women complained about a guy and every single woman was told that nobody had complained about him before
<G-Mobile>
"we don't want to ruin his career over a first offense" (said to the 30th woman)
<G-Mobile>
"If you choose to transfer out because of him it will negatively impact your career prospects"
<G-Mobile>
"Of course he will be made aware that you have issued this complaint"
<G-Mobile>
GoG makes some attempt in porting old games to make them more stable and perform better than they originally did right?
<G-Mobile>
;tell silverfox btw when I was talking about adult swim's garbage art, that was inspired by their know thing, Apollo Gauntlet, which could have been made in something slightly better than MS paint
<kmath>
G-Mobile: I'll let silverfox know when I see them
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<Greys>
is there a minimum effective scale for those hyperbaloid cooling towers that are associated with nuclear facilities?
<Greys>
they're basically like those fancy dyson fans right? just a system to exploit fluid dynamics and create more airflow passively
<Greys>
hot thing in the middle of the tower causes heat to rise, which gets accelerated by the geometry of the tower, creating low pressure that pulls more air in at the bottom faster, resulting in more airflow over the hot thing than if it was just out in the open
<Greys>
so like, would miniature hyperbaloid accelerators work on PC watercooling radiators?
<Greys>
also I guess there's probably some degree of inlet/exhaust separation to eliminate hot air recycling
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<Glass|phone>
funny out of context sentences - "Learn chinese in all languages"
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<Greys>
dumb question
<Greys>
if you had a blue photon travelling through a vacuum, is it actually going up and down?
<Greys>
or is it's frequency not literally motion perpindicular to the direction of travel
<Greys>
alternatively, is it some kind of wave particle probability oscillation
<RandomJeb>
it's the field value that goes up and down
<Greys>
which of the things I said is most similar to what that means
<RandomJeb>
well the alternative one had 'oscillation' in it so maybe that one
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<SilverFox>
;wa 140cm to ft
<kmath>
SilverFox: convert 140 cm (centimeters) to feet: 4.593 feet4' 7.118"
<SilverFox>
jesus christ this sex doll is a midget
egg|saturn_v|egg is now known as egg
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<darklight>
SF or a child. Saves on cost and postage obviously :P
<SilverFox>
jesus christ dude
<SilverFox>
doesnt save on cost tho
<SilverFox>
children cost like, a fuck tonne a year