00:06 <GregroxMun> egg I would like to nag you about hyperbolic orbits

05:56 <lexi> hey guys

05:57 <lexi> im trying to figure out why my flight planning gets grayed out as soon as i get out of the atmosphere

05:57 <lexi> https://imgur.com/a/r0VUG

05:57 <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/i2oMMpA.png

05:59 <lexi> oh im retarded i forgot you have to make principia flight plans not default ones

08:46 <GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1768: Move SPRK to the new scheme and pass a Method to the templates (master...Methods2) https://git.io/vxroS

08:47 <GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxrKL

08:47 <GH> Principia/master e2281e4 pleroy: We lost coverage, again.

08:47 <GH> Principia/master e897205 Pascal Leroy: Merge pull request #1767 from pleroy/Coverage...

08:49 <diomidov> Hi

08:49 <diomidov> Is it normal that my world space seems to be inertial even when I'm the launchpad?

08:53 <diomidov> on the launchpad*

08:54 <lexi> there is obviously a mun interaction here so why cant i get the game to display it?

08:54 <lexi> https://i.imgur.com/NHVlLi8.png

09:25 <egg> lexi: change the plotting frame

09:26 <egg> diomidov: same as lexi, change the plotting frame and it will change the navball

09:27 <egg> lexi: https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Concepts#plotting-frame

09:27 <egg> diomidov: https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Concepts#navball

09:28 <egg> lexi: there is *always* an interaction with the mun (that's the point of the mod after all), so the stock concept of "encounter" no longer exists; you change the reference frame used for plotting trajectories to something convenient to see your interaction with the bodies that are interesting to you

09:32 <diomidov> I'm not talking about the navball or the plotting frame

09:33 <diomidov> stock ksp simulates physics either in an inertial frame or in a rotating one depending on the altitude

09:35 <diomidov> I know that this principia doesn't do this

09:37 <diomidov> but another mod is trying to convert some vectors to this "world space"

09:38 <diomidov> and getting results as if the world space was inertial

09:38 <egg> well, the frame should be rotating when you're below the usual threshold, principia doesn't change that (and no longer moves the threshold)

09:38 <lexi> how's this for a weak stability boundary capture :D

09:38 <lexi> https://i.imgur.com/ONCvQ7X.png

09:39 <egg> diomidov: but be careful, many things in KSP's API use inertial velocities even when the frame is rotating

09:40 <egg> diomidov: I'm unsure what your question is exactly about, is it about mod development? if so you might find more answers in #kspmodding

09:40 <egg> lexi: nice!

09:41 <diomidov> thanks, that answers my question

09:47 <GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1768: Move SPRK to the new scheme and pass a Method to the templates (master...Methods2) https://git.io/vxroS

09:47 <GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 13 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxrXG

09:47 <GH> Principia/master 9bd9ced pleroy: Merge.

09:47 <GH> Principia/master 4bbaa37 pleroy: Try with a trait.

09:47 <GH> Principia/master 53dcbab pleroy: Simplified SPRK.

10:52 <GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1769: Move the SLMS to the new scheme (master...Methods3) https://git.io/vxryt

11:14 <GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1769: Move the SLMS to the new scheme (master...Methods3) https://git.io/vxryt

11:15 <GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxrS4

11:15 <GH> Principia/master ece1972 pleroy: Move SLMS integrator to the new scheme.

11:15 <GH> Principia/master d36a1e5 pleroy: Fix most of the test.

11:15 <GH> Principia/master 9aa8707 pleroy: The project compiles.

11:41 <lexi> are there any stable interstellar systems?

12:09 <GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1770: Move the EERKN to the new scheme (master...Methods4) https://git.io/vxr7A

13:37 <GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxrAt

13:37 <GH> Principia/master 90d5af6 pleroy: Migrate EERKN.

13:37 <GH> Principia/master 9eade01 pleroy: Fix the clients.

13:37 <GH> Principia/master 84118cf pleroy: Lint.

13:55 <GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1771: Beef up the SPRK a bit; no tests as the implementation is incomplete (master...Sprk2) https://git.io/vxrx2

17:39 <GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1771: Beef up the SPRK a bit; no tests as the implementation is incomplete (master...Sprk2) https://git.io/vxrx2

17:44 <GH> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #1772: Revert to string encoding without unsafe (master...not-unsafe) https://git.io/vxonk

17:48 <GH> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #1773: Use the the frenet frame of the orbit of the patch, not that of the orbit of the vessel (master...1728) https://git.io/vxonV

18:23 <N70> hey

18:23 <N70> i have a suggestion

18:23 <N70> make the manuevers show on navball delta v not constantly reset

18:28 <egg> nah, this is emphatically working as intended

18:29 <egg> closed loop guidance against a shitty residual isn't going to be very useful for nontrivial manoeuvres

18:29 <egg> and we're working with lamont on proper closed loop guidance with mechjeb

18:36 <N70> oh

18:39 <N70> Also, can there be a 1.4.2 build

18:39 <N70> as principia seems to crash on save load with 1.4.2

18:39 <N70> or are there technical problems related to 1.4.

18:39 <N70> errr 1.4.2

18:43 <egg> N70: 1.4.2 is not supported in Coxeter, it will be in the next release

18:43 <egg> which will be on the next new moon

18:43 <N70> ok

18:43 <N70> sorry for bugging, but when will mechjeb support be here

18:44 <egg> bug lamont, not me :-)

18:44 <egg> !seen lamont

18:44 <Qboid> egg: Value cannot be null.

18:44 <egg> ...

18:44 <N70> derp

18:44 <egg> thanks Qboid

18:44 <egg> thuboid

18:44 <N70> le derp bot

18:46 <UmbralRaptop> lamont has been deallocated!

18:46 <GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1772: Revert to string encoding without unsafe (master...not-unsafe) https://git.io/vxonk

18:52 <GH> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #1728: Thank you both for being persistent in bringing this issue to our attention. This bug will be fixed in the next release, Cramer, to be released around April 16th. The problem stemmed from a confusion between the vessel orbit and the manœuvre node patch orbit. This is almost always incorrect as the vessel orbit may change, but it was only really visible e.g., when changes of celestial sphere of influence were

18:58 <GH> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #1773: retest this please https://git.io/vxoBQ

20:21 <GH> [Principia] pleroy pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxoa5

20:21 <GH> Principia/master 1aacdec Pascal Leroy: Merge pull request #1773 from eggrobin/1728...

20:21 <GH> Principia/master a17be56 Robin Leroy: maybe this is the bug but the game crashes on load

20:21 <GH> Principia/master 1fa9078 Robin Leroy: we don't need to activate the bug

20:21 <GH> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #1773: Use the the frenet frame of the orbit of the patch, not that of the orbit of the vessel (master...1728) https://git.io/vxonV