raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fréchet. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
<discord-> S​pace Dwarf. — If power requirements are low there’s always the sneaky method of year-round power namely just make a ring of panels around the surface r of a cylindrical probe and point it normal to your orbit so that no matter how it rotates around the sun half the panels are facing it
<discord-> e​gg. — if power requirements are even lower, add a single solar panel on the side, and spin normal to the orbit
<discord-> e​gg. — that way your solar panel will get illuminated for part of the spin cycle always  :-p
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — With the physics extender mod, does it cause any funky stuff with Principia?
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<discord-> S​kylar. — I am also curious as to what rurouni asked, if they work together well, I could probably have kOS or something do some crazy things
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<discord-> M​yshiko. — @egg i always said - airplanes are much better then rockets.
<discord-> M​yshiko. — Plus one on the question of effects of extending physics range on Principia - is it ok?
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<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I think it would only affect only in fight right?
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #2503: Fix frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin edited pull request #2503: Fix frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin edited pull request #2503: Fix Frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2503 commit - https://git.io/JvyxL
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2503 commit - https://git.io/Jvyxq
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #2503: Fix Frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin opened issue #2504: Clean up after the Frobenius fix - https://git.io/JvyhO
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2503 commit - https://git.io/Jvyh3
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin assigned issue #2504: Clean up after the Frobenius fix - https://git.io/JvyhO
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2503: Fix Frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
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<discord-> B​atou. — Does Principia affect low earth spacecraft orbit ? I recently installed this mod, and I can see that my first satellite has its orbit decaying
<discord-> B​atou. — And for some reason, my apoapsis is now getting higher
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — what are you using to measure that?
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — because principia is now factoring in the gravitational forces of other objects in the solar system (and due to the fact that kerbin/earth is no longer a point mass) you will find that you don't just sit in these perfect never-changing orbits anymore
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — so you should expect some changes over time
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<discord-> r​sparkyc. — LEO is pretty stable though, it shouldn't change too much to the point where you need to worry about being deorbited
<discord-> B​atou. — Kerbal engineer redux
<discord-> B​atou. — Yep indeed, it changes around 15km max my apoapsi
<discord-> B​atou. — Yep indeed, it changes around 15km max my apoapsis (edited)
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — yeah, that's looking at patched conics, which doesn't take into account what princpia is modeling
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — so you should expect to see those fluctuate in flight
<discord-> B​atou. — Oh ok, do we have a mod for a "average" orbit ?
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — principia will show your your AP an PE in the map view, and those will be spot on
<discord-> B​atou. — I know i can do it with just looking at it but it would be useful
<discord-> B​atou. — Oh ok
<discord-> B​atou. — Oh yeah i see
<discord-> B​atou. — That's convenient
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — there's also an orbit analysts button, i can't remember what that shows though
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — that would probably be a good spot to put in some min/max/averages
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — (if it's not already there)
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — this talks about some of the effects you're seeing
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — > The elements given here are free from short-period variations, that is, variations whose period is approximately one revolution. This is in contrast to the osculating elements (those shown, e.g., by the MechJeb Orbit Info window, or the Kerbal Engineer Redux orbital display), which will exhibit strong periodic variations over a revolution.
<discord-> B​atou. — I found it :=
<discord-> B​atou. — I found it :) (edited)
<discord-> B​atou. — Oh thnaks, i'll give it a look
<discord-> B​atou. — Oh thanks, i'll give it a look (edited)
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #2503: Fix Frobenius - https://git.io/Jvyd5
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin pushed 5 commits to master [+0/-0/±5] https://git.io/Jvyji
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin 591401c - Correct for the floating origin when keeping track of the point of application of a force
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin 8ea240f - remove a trace
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag 2020032409-Frobenius - https://git.io/fpDwq
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag 2020032409-Frobenius
<discord-> r​sparkyc. — is the plan to wait for the next new moon for Frobenius, or will it be released when the current outstanding bug is fixed?
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy tagged 21e6233 as 2020032409-Frobenius https://git.io/JvSea
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy created tag 2020032409-Frobenius - https://git.io/fpDwq
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<discord-> S​kylar. — I hope it gets patched and released soon lol, I was very excited xD, but I obv understand that its probably hard to say how long this will take to fix
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy bb7ea7d - Announcing Frobenius, again.
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<discord-> e​gg. — Frobenius is back out
<discord-> S​kylar. — 👍
<discord-> M​yshiko. — If not social distancing, I would hug all people involved and contributed!
<discord-> e​gg. — > @Batou Oh ok, do we have a mod for a "average" orbit ?
<discord-> e​gg. — Principia gives you that with the orbit analyzer
<discord-> e​gg. — ah I see @rsparkyc told you about it already
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<discord-> r​sparkyc. — yeah, but i didn't see anywhere in there where it would tell you the min/max/average of the apoapsis and/or periapsis
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