raptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Fréchet. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
<discord-_> n​eph. — I'm shutting my brain down. I think I've learned more in this afternoon about space time than since I first understood general relativity
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<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — btw, egg
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — > you end up looking at slices
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — What did you mean by this?
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — I'm also pretty much completely lost, but was the conclusion that rotation around a temporal axis makes sense if you define everything precisely enough?
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — So maybe it wouldn't be intuitive to the layman the same way rotation around an x/y/z axis would be, but the math works out?
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — But it's specific to spacetime?
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — So for something like a 4D Rubik's Cube you need different math than rotations in a 2+2/3+1 spacetime?
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<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I'm getting an error when building the current version from master, any clue on how to fix it? X:\Principia\Principia\base\not_null_test.cpp(71,1): error C2280: 'std::unique_ptr<int,std::default_delete<int>>::unique_ptr(const std::unique_ptr<int,std::default_delete<int>> &)': attempting to reference a deleted function [X:\Principia\Principia\base\base.vcxproj]
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — Hmm, the build seems to work regardless. Though the crashes still persist
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — the error seems to have changed, so that's progress I guess? https://pastebin.com/x5LqXern
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — Now I get this when decoupling: F0415 13:53:38.264972 13796 r3x3_matrix_body.hpp:165] Check failed: 0 <= r (0 vs. -1)
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — > I'm getting an error when building the current version from master, any clue on how to fix it? X:\Principia\Principia\base\not_null_test.cpp(71,1): error C2280: 'std::unique_ptr<int,std::default_delete<int>>::unique_ptr(const std::unique_ptr<int,std::default_delete<int>> &)': attempting to reference a deleted function [X:\Principia\Principia\base\base.vcxproj]
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — @Haukifile
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — My guess is your MSVC version is not one in the preprocessor?
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — where is the msvc version defined?
<discord-_> B​utcher. — By MSVC.
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<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I've got 14.25 installed, which should be fine
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<discord-_> d​kavolis. — You can get `_MSC_FULL_VER` with `cl /?`, it's the first 3 numbers
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Though you should use clang-cl if it works. Clang and gcc generate faster code, at least math heavy one
<discord-_> B​utcher. — clang has a much faster linker too.
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Also, default MSVC lambda parser is garbage, it fails with nested lambdas
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Had to use `/experimental:newLambdaProcessor` in my code
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Does Principia support building with clang-cl?
<discord-_> e​gg. — not that I know :-p
<discord-_> e​gg. — but we are fine with /experimental /shiny /new /standards (as long as it is not too new for our Linux and Mac setups)
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Looks like you have the appropriate defines in macros.hpp
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — But idk beyond that
<discord-_> e​gg. — yeah I mean
<discord-_> e​gg. — macros.hpp even tries to detect GCC
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Then again, you have g++ in there
<discord-_> e​gg. — which we definitely do not support
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Ninja'd 😦
<discord-_> e​gg. — intel C++ too
* discord-_ P​teropodidae. — shakes fist in no unicode identifier support_
<discord-_> e​gg. — 𒅗𒄑𒉿
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<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — kagishpi?
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Do any of the upcoming C++2a features look like they would be useful for Principia?
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Concepts
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer KA ES PE
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Wonder how long it'll take Microsoft to add concepts support
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — It has been added months ago
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Clang has them in 10 and now waiting for gcc 10 to release
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Though older gcc has their own older concepts
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — Though older gcc releases have their own version of concepts (edited)
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Oh
<discord-_> P​teropodidae. — Guess cppreference needs to be updated then
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — And CLion will even provide intellisence for concepts
<discord-_> d​kavolis. — And CLion will even provide intellisense for concepts (edited)
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<discord-_> H​aukifile. — since I don't have VS enterprise, is it safe to just remove the references to coverage analyser from the project file when building?
<discord-_> S​ir Mortimer. — Why is everybody building principia recently? I didn’t get that memo apparently
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — the latest build crashes for me constantly when separating stages
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — it should be fixed in the current master
<discord-_> A​cer_Saccharum. — I have also had a crash when I deployed a satellite a while back
<discord-_> A​cer_Saccharum. — and several near-crashes that recovered after a few minutes
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy labeled issue #2528: Crash when pushing a trivial manœuvre beyond the end of a trivial flight plan - https://git.io/Jfe5d
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2529: Avoid changing the layout between Layout and Repaint and fix a message - https://git.io/JfvMN
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4211/
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/4211/
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — @egg just as an FYI: I still crash when decoupling with the current version
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I'll do some more testing to see if it's just an issue with the craft
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<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] eggrobin labeled pull request #2529: Avoid changing the layout between Layout and Repaint and fix a message - https://git.io/JfvMN
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Haukifile can your record a journal?
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Haukifile can you record a journal? (edited)
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Haukifile reproduce the issue while journalling, see https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/2507#issuecomment-604730382, and give us the journal
<discord-_> e​gg. — also the INFO log
<discord-_> e​gg. — (note that you should always give us the INFO logs, the FATAL logs are not sufficient on their own)
<discord-_> e​gg. — (as documented in the FAQ)
<discord-_> e​gg. — (🥚🌩️)
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — pfft, reading documentation is for sensible people
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — but yes, I'll do it tomorrow
<discord-_> e​gg. — ah wait, you were saying you were getting different errors?
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — Yes, the fatal logs ended with `F0415 21:50:39.684010 22676 r3x3_matrix_body.hpp:165] Check failed: 0 <= r (0 vs. -1) `
<discord-_> e​gg. — OK please don't call that "still crashing", you are getting a completely new error
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #2519: Spin-up on reentry under physics warp with FAR - https://git.io/JfvQo
<discord-_> e​gg. — (the fact that it also is a crash is a technical detail of no consequence :-p)
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I got that yesterday as well with the latest release
<discord-_> e​gg. — what do you mean, you get that in Frobenius?
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — yes, and again today with the new build
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — but it was the same craft, so it might be an issue with the craft
<discord-_> e​gg. — there is no "the new build"
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I mean the version I built from the master today
<discord-_> e​gg. — OK
<discord-_> e​gg. — and when you say the latest release, you do mean Frobenius?
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — yes
<discord-_> e​gg. — but you are no longer getting the old crash, right?
<discord-_> e​gg. — the 2507 one
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — no, but I managed to get only one test launch today
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — took a while to build 🙂
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — I'll do some more testing tomorrow and record the journal just in case
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Haukifile can you give me the INFO for your crashes?
<discord-_> e​gg. — again, FATALs are not enough
<discord-_> e​gg. — (the r < 0 ones)
<discord-_> H​aukifile. — Sure, I’ll send them tomorrow. Do you want all of them?
<discord-_> e​gg. — just one should be enough for now
<discord-_> e​gg. — bear in mind that we will build the next release this week-end, so this likely won't be fixed
<discord-_> e​gg. — then again you are the only one running into it, so it is probably not that frequent (possibly due to weirdness in your install?)
<discord-_> e​gg. — bear in mind that we will build the next release this week-end, so this likely won't be fixed by then (edited)
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy closed issue #2528: Crash when pushing a trivial manœuvre beyond the end of a trivial flight plan - https://git.io/Jfe5d
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #2529: Avoid changing the layout between Layout and Repaint and fix a message - https://git.io/JfvMN
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/Jfv5P
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy 5c84e76 - Avoid changing the layout between Layout and Repaint and fix a message.
<_whitenotifier-d13c> [Principia] pleroy 8865e20 - Merge pull request #2529 from pleroy/2528 Avoid changing the layout between Layout and Repaint and fix a message
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — I am having earthquakes when coming from space and landing on land... It doesn't happens allways I think. Probably Principia has something to do with it, or maybe not. I am not sure. But do you have the same issue?
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — Also I have experienced the rotation bug as well in stock + far
<discord-_> e​gg. — > Probably Principia has something to do with it
<discord-_> e​gg. — what makes you think that?
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — wel.. I don't what else could be causing it. I cuopld be wrong
<discord-_> e​gg. — Why would Principia be causing it?
<discord-_> e​gg. — :-)
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — It happens with stock parts. At first I thought it was a parts problem
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — I don't want to blame principia I just thought it might be the problem but I don't know
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — maybe if someone else had the problem...
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — we could be sure
<discord-_> e​gg. — Neither do I, but I have never heard of that issue nor do I know of a mechanism by which it occurs
<discord-_> e​gg. — if it is reproducible in stock+principia I can look at it, if it is a giant pile of mods, less so
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — ok
<discord-_> G​ot. — @AgustinCaniglia earthquakes as the ground shaking ?
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — yes.
<discord-_> G​ot. — Know KSP issue, ha nothing to do with Principia
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — Oh okay, I have never seen it before
<discord-_> e​gg. — @Got clearly the workaround is to pump
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — pump?
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — as.. f5, f9?
<discord-_> G​ot. — It's always the solution
<discord-_> G​ot. — to every problem
<discord-_> A​gustinCaniglia. — thank you Got
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