#principia on 2021-02-12 — irc logs at esper.irclog.whitequark.org

2021-01-13 17:00 egg changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Germain. We currently target 1.8.1, 1.9.1, 1.10.1, and 1.11.0. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large

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03:45 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Not even the hypothetical simulation that we are all living in?

03:54 <discord-> lpg. — this simulation is _overflowing_ with bugs

03:59 <raptop> Superconductivity is an *UNDERFLOW* error, TYVM

04:21 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — How many did egg work hard to implement into Principia? /s

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05:30 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Well, egg has to be careful, lest the shell shatter

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12:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — is principia not compatible with FAR in stock 1.11.1?

12:57 <discord-> Stonesmile. — Principia and FAR work together, however there might be bugs with the newer KSP versions. What exactly makes you think there is a problem?

12:58 <discord-> egg. — > however there might be bugs with the newer KSP versions

12:58 <discord-> egg. — wait, why?

12:59 <discord-> Stonesmile. — I'm not saying there *are* buts, but proving there are no bugs is hard, right?

12:59 <discord-> Stonesmile. — I'm not saying there *are* bugs, but proving there are no bugs is hard, right? (edited)

12:59 <discord-> Stonesmile. — My wording might have been bad

12:59 <discord-> egg. — yes but new bugs tend to come from new Principia features (or old ones) lately, KSP does not move that fast

13:00 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I can't accelerate crafts in atmosphere. it feels like my aircraft just deployed giant parachute. I'm checking which mod causes the problem now

13:00 <discord-> egg. — see the three crashes in https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Change-Log#g%C3%B6del, two of them are from the recent analyser work, and one is from the rotation saga

13:01 <discord-> egg. — @VaNnadin there have been no changes to how Principia looks at forces for a looong time

13:01 <discord-> egg. — and I don’t think FAR is changing that fast either

13:01 <discord-> VaNnadin. — even the speed of the free fall has decreased.

13:06 <discord-> egg. — FARc has not had a new release since November, and force application mechanics have not been altered recently in Principia either

13:09 <discord-> VaNnadin. — one thing is sure: when I use both FAR and principia in stock 1.11.1, drag is highly increased

13:10 <discord-> VaNnadin. — but when I use each mods separately, aircraft will work fine

13:11 <discord-> egg. — @dkavolis have there been recent changes to the application of forces on your side?

13:12 <discord-> Stonesmile. — Could it be KSP 1.11.1 that changed something?

13:15 <discord-> VaNnadin. — hmmm

13:18 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I updated my game using upgrade patch from 1.10.1

13:18 <discord-> VaNnadin. — is this can cause such problem?

13:19 <discord-> egg. — How would I know

13:19 <discord-> egg. — As a general principle, the weirder your setup, the less reproducible your issues will be

13:20 <discord-> egg. — So far I have never heard of that issue, so either nobody is playing with FAR+Principia+1.11.1 or something is weird on your side

13:27 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I'm downloading 1.11.1 portable file now

13:28 <discord-> Sumguy. — Why use 1.11.1?

13:34 <discord-> egg. — Principia Gödel+FAR 16.0.1 Mader+KSP 1.11.0,

13:34 <discord-> egg. — Mk1 on top of flea:

13:34 <discord-> egg. — 1 min 2 s to impact, terminal velocity Mach 0.53ish on the way down

13:34 <discord-> egg. — Exact same results with gravity hacked (which makes Principia ignore the vessel)

13:35 <discord-> egg. — (I am downloading 1.11.1 as we speak, but potato internet)

13:38 <discord-> DRVeyl. — There are some part-specific bugs that could have that result. You should look in the FAR data window and see if values like overall cross section look reasonable or not. I think you can also inspect the voxelization in flight.

13:39 <discord-> DRVeyl. — Part-specific bug meaning the part needs particular settings / hints to FAR that are not present.

13:39 <discord-> egg. — well, the report is discrepancy depending on the presence of Principia

13:40 <discord-> siimav. — I think FAR hasn't gotten an official 1.11.x release yet but there's a ton of work on the master branch already.

13:40 <discord-> DRVeyl. — Oh, I see. Apologies, didn't read sufficiently.

13:42 <discord-> DRVeyl. — Maybe I should finish adding the timers to my occlusion stuff so it can merge in. It had an enable toggle in settings that MM can patch.

13:43 <discord-> siimav. — Yeah but I think the heating peaks in your version are going to become the biggest issue

13:45 <discord-> DRVeyl. — Possibly, that's why there's global toggle for an experimental mode. But seems it's the only way I'm going to get further testing.

13:45 <discord-> DRVeyl. — Otherwise I'll just end up chalking it up to a few months of self-directed Unity learning.

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15:22 <discord-> egg. — All tests with KSP 1.11.1, Mk1 on top of flea SRB from the pad:

15:22 <discord-> egg. — ```

15:22 <discord-> egg. — stock : 2 min 37 s to impact.

15:22 <discord-> egg. — FARc 16.0.1 Mader : 1 min 2 s to impact.

15:22 <discord-> egg. — Principia Gödel + FARc 16.0.1 Mader : 1 min 2 s to impact.

15:22 <discord-> egg. — ```

15:22 <discord-> egg. — Mach ~0.53 at impact in both tests with FARc.

15:24 <discord-> egg. — @VaNnadin I see no evidence of a widespread drag issue with Principia and FAR (obviously FAR aerodynamics are not like stock aerodynamics, but that is normal and Principia-independent).

15:28 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I used 'Velociteze' to test mods. when I separated far/principia, plane flew very well.

15:28 <discord-> VaNnadin. — when I used both mods in same time, plane couldn't take off

15:30 <discord-> egg. — well, I am flying one with both mods right now

15:31 <discord-> egg. — So you do not seem to actually have a stock 1.11.1 with those versions of FARc and Principia

15:31 <discord-> VaNnadin. — hmmm

15:33 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I used ckan for FAR install, and downloaded latest principia from official github link

15:34 <discord-> egg. — Are you using a clean 1.11.1 install, or is that the one that you patched up?

15:35 <discord-> egg. — and besides the patching up, has it always been stock, or did you remove mods to make it stock again?

15:35 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I'm testing clean 1.11.1 install

15:38 <discord-> VaNnadin. — 49sec in my case

15:38 <discord-> egg. — well I don’t know what is going on but you do not have the same game as I do

15:39 <discord-> VaNnadin. — wth is going on in my game

15:40 <discord-> egg. — Mk1 capsule, not cockpit, right?

15:40 <discord-> waerloga. — 49s seems pretty fast from what I recall of stock (though it's been a few versions)

15:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — yeah

15:40 <discord-> egg. — well, your game is strange in some way

15:40 <discord-> egg. — maybe some settings are off somewhere?

15:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — hmmm

15:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — for example?

15:41 <discord-> egg. — I don’t know !

15:41 <discord-> egg. — I have no idea what is going on on your machine, I am not a wizard; I am trying to think of things that might be different if you are using the same clean install of 1.11.1 with the same mods

15:42 <discord-> egg. — You are using a new install at this point, right, not that old patched-up one?

15:42 <discord-> Standecco. — I can only think of some other mods like ground effect or the weather mod

15:43 <discord-> VaNnadin. — when I turned on gravity cheat (and not change value)in far&principia condition, I could fly well

15:43 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809811917635190804/unknown.png

15:43 <discord-> VaNnadin. — this is my gamedata folder

15:46 <discord-> VaNnadin. — jumping flea test result in clean 1.11.1 ksp+FAR+principia

15:46 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809812590057881620/unknown.png

15:47 <discord-> VaNnadin. — and log

15:47 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809813009408065597/KSP.log

15:57 <discord-> VaNnadin. — damn I have no Idea wtf is causing my problem

16:04 <discord-> dkavolis. — No but I never know if KSP didn't sneak anything in

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16:18 <discord-> dkavolis. — @VaNnadin is the voxelization fine? That's the only thing that affects non-wing forces in FAR. And can you provide MM cache?

16:19 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809821001914515477/GameData.7z

16:19 <discord-> VaNnadin. — how I can check my voxel?

16:23 <discord-> dkavolis. — In VAB/SPH go into FAR ui -> transonic design -> display debug voxels

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — For in-flight voxelization make a .cfg file in GameData with

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — ```

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — @FARConfig:FINAL

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — {

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — @Voxelization

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — {

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — %debugInFlight = true

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — }

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — ```

16:27 <discord-> dkavolis. — Voxelization should be the same as in VAB/SPH but there are edge cases

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16:28 <discord-> dkavolis. — You shouldn't need in-flight voxelization unless FAR voxelization values in the log are different

16:28 <discord-> egg. — Principia logs

16:28 <discord-> egg. — KSP.log does not contain the Principia logs

16:29 <discord-> VaNnadin. — where I can get it?

16:30 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I found it

16:31 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809824053014560808/screenshot2.png

16:32 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809824143934619658/screenshot3.png

16:32 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809824145894408213/screenshot4.png

16:32 <discord-> VaNnadin. — wait, is this normal?

16:33 <discord-> dkavolis. — Don't think so

16:33 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809824464288219177/Principia.7z

16:33 <discord-> egg. — I said an Mk1 on top of a flea, not goos

16:33 <discord-> egg. — Just an Mk1 on top of a flea

16:33 <discord-> egg. — nothing more

16:33 <discord-> VaNnadin. — aah okay

16:34 <discord-> VaNnadin. — 52sec

16:35 <discord-> egg. — Your vessel has two parts now?

16:35 <discord-> VaNnadin. — yeah

16:36 <discord-> egg. — Well, 52 is not equal to 62, so the conclusion is unchanged, something is wrong with your install

16:36 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809825276393029672/screenshot5.png

16:37 <discord-> egg. — Why is your roll control stuck to the right

16:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — because of SAS I think

16:40 <discord-> egg. — why did you turn on SAS

16:40 <discord-> VaNnadin. — okay

16:40 <discord-> egg. — The test case is just stack two parts, go to the pad, press space

16:41 <discord-> egg. — if you keep trying to do other things you are not going to get the same results

16:41 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809826526681366558/screenshot7.png

16:41 <discord-> VaNnadin. — without sas

16:42 <discord-> egg. — welp, I crash on land, not in the water, and it takes me 1 min 2 s

16:44 <discord-> VaNnadin. — it turns 45 degrees itself.

16:44 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809827275188207686/screenshot8.png

16:44 <discord-> Standecco. — is that a sudden 45° turn?

16:45 <discord-> VaNnadin. — yeah

16:45 <discord-> VaNnadin. — without control. it suddenly turns

16:47 <discord-> VaNnadin. — and clean 1.11.1 ksp, principia Gödel from github download link, FAR 0.16.0.1 from ckan.

16:47 <discord-> waerloga. — copying over a ksp 1.11.1 install now...

16:47 <discord-> waerloga. — just to see what results I get

16:48 <discord-> dkavolis. — Mk1 pod seems to have somewhat broken voxelization atm

16:50 <discord-> egg. — regardless of brokenness of voxelization, when I launch an Mk1 atop a flea, I fly straight up.

16:51 <discord-> egg. — Do you have some of the FARc flight assistance toggles turned on?

16:52 <discord-> VaNnadin. — let me check

16:53 <discord-> VaNnadin. — https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480397772248580098/809829641178054686/unknown.png

16:54 <discord-> egg. — You said 0.16.0.1

16:54 <discord-> VaNnadin. — 0.16.0.1 has same resault

16:54 <discord-> egg. — You are on 0.16.0.2

16:54 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I'll show you

16:54 <discord-> VaNnadin. — because 0.16.0.1 has same resault (edited)

16:55 <discord-> VaNnadin. — I'm keep testing both 0.16.0.1 and 0.16.0.2

16:55 <discord-> VaNnadin. — and it shows damn same resault

16:56 <discord-> egg. — (it’s spelled « result »)

16:56 <discord-> egg. — Yeah there is no relevant change between .1 and .2, but at this point since we have no idea we should try doing things consistently, not randomly tweaking a version without saying it

16:57 <discord-> VaNnadin. — (thanks. I'm not a native english user)

16:57 <discord-> VaNnadin. — and it shows damn same result (edited)

16:57 <discord-> egg. — Me neither :-p

16:57 <discord-> egg. — (Me neither :-p) (edited)

16:58 <discord-> egg. — Have you tried installing FARc + Principia from GitHub, rather than ckan?

16:58 <discord-> egg. — maybe ckan pulls in a broken version of something else

16:59 <discord-> waerloga. — interesting

16:59 <discord-> waerloga. — I just replicated @VaNnadin 's issue

16:59 <discord-> waerloga. — goes up, turns 45 degrees

17:00 <discord-> egg. — O_o

17:00 <discord-> VaNnadin. — then try to fly velocitize

17:00 <discord-> VaNnadin. — aircraft

17:00 <discord-> egg. — @VaNnadin one thing at a time

17:00 <discord-> egg. — we have one test case, we try to figure out what is going on with it

17:00 <discord-> VaNnadin. — aaaah okay sorry about that

17:01 <discord-> egg. — @waerloga OK, FARc installed from GitHub or ckan?

17:01 <discord-> waerloga. — ckan

17:01 <discord-> waerloga. — 0.16.0.1

17:01 <discord-> egg. — OK try from GitHub back from a clean install

17:02 <discord-> VaNnadin. — okay

17:03 <discord-> waerloga. — of note, ckan installed the 1.11.x version of modular flight integrator

17:03 <discord-> waerloga. — 1.2.9.0

17:03 <discord-> egg. — hmmm

17:04 <discord-> egg. — careless MFI changes could potentially mess with us I guess

17:04 * discord- egg. — stares at https://github.com/sarbian/ModularFlightIntegrator/commit/607b6ebf85c0150493c99784e69245b84e26640f

17:04 * discord- egg. — stares at @sarbian

17:04 <discord-> egg. — @waerloga try 1.2.8?

17:05 <discord-> waerloga. — looks like it's 1.2.7 with 0.16.0.1 FAR so I'm going to ckan-downgrade it

17:05 <discord-> sarbian. — @egg My work is perfect! Always!

17:05 <discord-> egg. — :D

17:06 <discord-> egg. — ModularFlightIntegrator Variant Of Concern

17:07 <discord-> sarbian. — The one you want to look at is

17:07 <discord-> sarbian. — https://github.com/sarbian/ModularFlightIntegrator/commit/91e35210e7e9d5b0e3c065a886567dabdaea4a57

17:07 <discord-> sarbian. —

17:07 <discord-> sarbian. — The previous one is just a fix because perfection takes time

17:07 <discord-> waerloga. — at some point I need to buy a new SSD, having my games installed on my old spinny rust is sloooww

17:09 <discord-> dkavolis. — Can confirm MFI 1.2.8 breaks things

17:09 <discord-> dkavolis. — 1.2.7 goes straight up

17:09 <discord-> waerloga. — as an aside, never have palyed with newer versions of ksp, been only in RO-land so 1.8.1 is the latest

17:10 <discord-> sarbian. — How ? The execution order is the same as before

17:10 <discord-> waerloga. — yeah, ckan-downgraded MFI to 1.2.7.0 and it worked

17:10 <discord-> sarbian. — 1.2.8 is broken. 1.2.9 is not

17:11 <discord-> waerloga. — 1m2s

17:11 <discord-> waerloga. — flight time of 1m2s (edited)

17:11 <discord-> egg. — OK we have narrowed down the issue to MFI. now to figure out whether 1.2.9 is correct

17:11 <discord-> dkavolis. — 1.2.9 has the same issues

17:11 * discord- egg. — summons the Great Roll of Execution Order

17:11 <discord-> waerloga. — farc 0.16.0.1 + mfi 1.2.9.0 + principia godel has issues

17:12 <discord-> waerloga. — farc 0.16.0.1 + mfi 1.2.7.0 + principia godel does not

17:12 <discord-> egg. — _summons the Great Scroll of Execution Order_ (edited)

17:12 <discord-> egg. — BRB printing out the execution order page, I don’t have my annotated printout in Normandy and I need paper to think about this madness.

17:13 <discord-> Butcher. — So we're agreed, it's al sarbian's fault.

17:13 <discord-> Butcher. — So we're agreed, it's all sarbian's fault. (edited)

17:14 <discord-> egg. — Well, KSP timing is a dangerous place at least

17:14 <discord-> sarbian. — COVID ate my brain. It s the virus fault !

17:14 <discord-> waerloga. — I mean technically FARc is not cleared to run on 1.11.x

17:15 <discord-> egg. — > ModularFlightIntegrator Variant Of Concern

17:15 <discord-> sarbian. — (seriously, that virus messed me up...)

17:17 <discord-> Butcher. — You had covid? Ouch.

17:17 <discord-> VaNnadin. — oh

17:17 <discord-> sarbian. — Early Jan. Mild case with no big respiratory problem but I do feel stupider

17:19 <discord-> egg. — ow

17:20 <discord-> egg. — OK I can definitely something suspicious in there https://github.com/sarbian/ModularFlightIntegrator/compare/92fe16a678f8df738a9098d408ee6309dcf60493..607b6ebf85c0150493c99784e69245b84e26640f

17:21 <discord-> egg. — Some things went from the Precalc timing, at -101, to -102, i.e. the same timing as VesselPrecalculate

17:22 <discord-> egg. — Others from the FlightIntegrator timing at 9 to 8, same as FlightIntegrator

17:23 <discord-> egg. — now « same timing » seems scary in that I have no idea how it orders itself with respect to VesselPrecalculate or FlightIntegrator

17:23 <discord-> egg. — and in terms of interaction with Principia, well, Principia does things at those timings too

17:24 <discord-> egg. — maybe it ran before MFI and now runs after ? or maybe it is direct stock interaction with the ordering with respect to VesselPrecalculate and FlightIntegrator

17:27 <discord-> egg. — 9 TimingFI is when we get the stock aerodynamic forces: <https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/1a05724811b95fb8b1af925eebe88ef782ef5ab4/ksp_plugin_adapter/ksp_plugin_adapter.cs#L1608-L1656>

17:28 <discord-> egg. — (the function is called `JaiFailliAttendre` because `FlightIntegrator` would collide with, well, `FlightIntegrator`)

17:31 <discord-> dkavolis. — @egg You are right, timings are off

17:32 <discord-> egg. — in what way though

17:32 <discord-> dkavolis. — Recompiled with 9 and -101 and got the old behaviour

17:32 <discord-> egg. — OK, that is good to know, but I wonder what is happening

17:34 <discord-> egg. — is it that MFI ends up running before stock or after it, or is it ordering with respect to Principia that gets messed up

17:34 <discord-> egg. — the former would squarely be an MFI bug, the latter seems like something scarily underspecified to depend on in the longer term

17:35 <discord-> egg. — is it that MFI ends up running before stock FI rather than after it (and *mutatis mutandis* precalc), or is it ordering with respect to Principia that gets messed up (edited)

18:12 <discord-> egg. — @sarbian I am not sure what using direct execution order numbers rather than using the KSP hooks really brings (Principia uses TimingManager where possible and DefaultExecutionOrder where necessary), but you ought keep the same timings if you are going to switch in any case

18:13 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — Well, Principia did not seem to have an effect according to VaNnadin, so it might just be messing with FAR

18:13 <discord-> sarbian. — I do not have to the if the object is active or in one of there many state where the calls should be deactivated

18:14 <discord-> sarbian. — I ll switch to the other timings

18:14 <discord-> egg. — sounds like a plan

18:14 <discord-> waerloga. — I'll try without principia just in case

18:15 <discord-> egg. — Hopefully Principia-MFI ordering will be unaffected or irrelevant

18:16 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — What happens if MFI is removed from GameData? Are the resulting issues worse?

18:17 <discord-> waerloga. — no sudden right turn...

18:17 <discord-> egg. — ??? it is a dependency of FAR, that question makes little sense

18:17 <discord-> waerloga. — MFI is required for FAR, github far includes MFI (1.2.6)

18:17 <discord-> waerloga. — which does not have an issue

18:17 <discord-> waerloga. — ok, tried FARc 0.16.0.1, MFI 1.2.9 and I've got a flight time of 1m2s

18:18 <discord-> dkavolis. — Also, principia+MFI w/o FAR works similar to stock

18:18 <discord-> waerloga. — so it's principia + mfi 1.2.9 are having the issues

18:18 <discord-> egg. — yeah it is FAR doing something in MFI in a way that pets Principia wrongly

18:18 <discord-> waerloga. — lemme see if I have an older principia around

18:18 <discord-> egg. — @waerloga no that is irrelevant

18:19 <discord-> egg. — Neither Principia nor FAR changed in a relevant way for ages

18:19 <discord-> egg. — (and older Principia versions do not support 1.11.1 anyway)

18:19 <discord-> waerloga. — true

18:19 <discord-> egg. — at this point we know what the issue is

18:20 <discord-> dkavolis. — @egg FAR changes drag vector, drag and body lift scalar, and `part.rb.angularDrag` values

18:20 <discord-> egg. — yeah

18:21 <discord-> dkavolis. — Do you use any of those?

18:22 <discord-> egg. — yes, to pick up stock aero which does not use the standard force application system https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/blob/1a05724811b95fb8b1af925eebe88ef782ef5ab4/ksp_plugin_adapter/ksp_plugin_adapter.cs#L1608-L1656

18:22 <discord-> egg. — so I guess with wrong timings we might end up picking up FAR+stock, or FAR twice, or something

18:23 <discord-> egg. — still not sure what scheduling MFI at 8 does, is it MFI-stock FI-principia or stock FI-MFI-principia

18:23 <discord-> egg. — (and similarly, at 9 does it result in stock FI-MFI-principia or stock FI-principia-MFI)

18:25 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — How is the issue just now showing up?

18:25 <discord-> egg. — because of the MFI update

18:26 <discord-> egg. — which gets picked up for 1.11.1 probably

18:26 <discord-> egg. — which is newly supported by Principia

18:26 <discord-> dkavolis. — And it's a 3-way mod interaction, remove 1 and everything works as before

18:27 <discord-> egg. — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tsjCND2ZfM

18:29 <discord-> dkavolis. — FAR w/o principia has the same flight length of 1m02s

18:31 <discord-> Standecco. — that's a lot of oil

18:32 <discord-> Paculino (ŝi/ri/she/they). — I would upvote, but that was not a pi of apple pie

18:33 <discord-> dkavolis. — Well, FAR with MFI 1.2.7 does a right turn but not with 1.2.9...

18:35 <discord-> egg. — wait, what? isn’t that the reverse ?

18:35 <discord-> dkavolis. — Yeah

18:38 <discord-> dkavolis. — Nvm, restarted KSP and now it goes straight up

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18:42 <discord-> waerloga. — only way I got the right turn was mfi 1.2.9 and principia

18:42 <discord-> waerloga. — all other combinations I tried I got the expected results

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