egg changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is Germain. We currently target 1.8.1, 1.9.1, 1.10.1, and 1.11.0. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly… | <egg> also 4e16 m * 2^-52 is uncomfortably large
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<discord-> e​gg. — @sarbian so, re. the MFI 1.2.9–FAR–Principia three-way interaction, what should we do? It seems Principia wants to run between stock FI (which sets stock aerodynamics, evaluating at 0 in the presence of FAR) and FAR’s MFI step (which sets values for the stock aerodynamic properties that describe what FAR did).
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<discord-> e​gg. — In 1.2.7, Principia and MFI both run in TimingFI, at 9, and stock FI runs at 8. It so happens that Principia runs before MFI.
<discord-> e​gg. — From dkavolis’s experiment it sounds like running MFI at 9 directly also happens to have Principia before MFI (but note that it is likely that it will still alter its timing with respect to other mods, because it won’t run in the middle of the TimingFI things anymore), but should we be relying on that ?
<discord-> e​gg. — An alternative to get something clearly determined that makes it possible for things to run between stock FI and MFI would be to have MFI run at 10 (that way all of 9, and in particular TimingFI, would run between stock FI and MFI).
<discord-> s​arbian. — 10 works for me. We just need to document it properly.
<discord-> s​arbian. — Too bad there is no timing available between 8 and 9...
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<discord-> e​gg. — yeah, fractional timings would really help here
<discord-> e​gg. — (I mean, the fault partially lies with KSP for spacing those so closely when they stretch out to [-8008, 8008]…)
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<discord-> e​gg. — @sarbian the good news is you probably won’t be breaking anybody by moving to 10, because Principia and MFI are the only things that use (or used to use) TimingFI  :D https://github.com/search?q=%22TimingManager%22+%22FlightIntegrator%22&type=code
<discord-> e​gg. — Principia tends to be about as gnarly as it gets when it comes to questions of execution order
<discord-> s​iimav. — Is that the hack that makes the solar system not appear tilted like you get with non-Principia?
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<discord-> e​gg. — yup
<discord-> e​gg. — it makes it so the horizontal is the reference plane
<discord-> e​gg. — so if you are looking at things in an earth-based frame, it has the stock RSS orientation
<discord-> s​iimav. — I'm curious - does it rely on something from Principia internally or would it be possible to port it over to RSS itself?
<discord-> e​gg. — The thing is you need the concept of frames
<discord-> e​gg. — for earth orbit operations you want the stock RSS orientation
<discord-> s​iimav. — Hmm, right
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<_whitenotifier-2275> [Principia] erplsf forked the repository - https://git.io/JfmUs
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