04:07 <queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip | 𒀱 observer⟩ https://matrix.mockingbirdnest.com/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.mockingbirdnest.com/RxQAgaEqErjNoVshgoZKhGkk/image.png

04:07 <queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip | 𒀱 observer⟩ suspiciously low dV for a venus direct transfer

04:07 <queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip | 𒀱 observer⟩ or maybe im just lucky

10:06 <queqiao-> ⟨butcher6994⟩ Doesn't seem that crazy.

13:07 <queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip | 𒀱 observer⟩ yeah it took me well over 4200 before

13:25 <queqiao-> ⟨dundun92⟩ I think that one was just suspiciously high 😄

14:28 <queqiao-> ⟨xuvvy⟩ It takes around 3.2k dV for Earth escape and only 0.3k or so extra for a Venus transfer. It takes over 30% more dV for a Mars transfer when compared to a Venus transfer.

14:28 <queqiao-> This is one of the reasons we historically sent a bunch of probes to Venus before sending a single one to Mars.

14:29 <queqiao-> ⟨Mudkip | 𒀱 observer⟩ huh

14:40 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ > It takes over 30% more dV for a Mars transfer when compared to a Venus transferthat's pretty off. venus ~3600, mars ~3800

15:02 <queqiao-> ⟨xuvvy⟩ I am only comparing the transfer maneuver, which is the difference of 280 m/s (Venus) and 390 m/s (Mars).

15:02 <queqiao-> We can also add capture to that, which is the difference between 640 m/s (Venus) and 1060 m/s (Mars), only confirming the fact that Venus is quite a bit easier to get to than Mars.

15:02 <queqiao-> You can reference any textbook, chart, calculator or map that lists various dV values to see this for yourself.

15:03 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ that's a very idiosyncratic comparison to make

15:05 <queqiao-> ⟨xuvvy⟩ Well, it's the comparison that was made when deciding which planet to send our probes first back in the '60s.

15:05 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ the comparison that was made was "~100m/s, yeah that's a lot", not "over 30% more, yeah that's a lot"

15:09 <queqiao-> ⟨xuvvy⟩ ±100 m/s is nothing when talking about getting from Earth to LEO. ±100 m/s is a lot when talking about an upper stage and a maneuver that is only 300-400 m/s total. That's why percentages are useful, they require less context to make sense.

15:10 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ but there's never been a 300/400 maneuver. earth escape and the extra piece are one maneuver

15:10 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ people compare 3600 and 3800, not 300 and 400

18:16 <queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ Seems like it would be easier to make an entire new navball window

18:17 <queqiao-> ⟨sumguy62⟩ maybe it's a good suggestion for the KSP2 team 😏

18:17 <queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ I wonder if it’s possible to do a mod that has its own navball in a window

18:17 <queqiao-> ⟨makoivis⟩ (I mean obviously it is, just thinking about how hard it would be)

18:18 <paculino> Doesn't rpm have a custom navball monitor?

18:18 <paculino> That seems to be harder than a window.

18:18 <queqiao-> ⟨robbibi_⟩ why are you a bot lol

18:19 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ hey it's not raptor this time

18:20 <queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ * raptop

19:42 <queqiao-> ⟨lizard0604⟩ can you time warp while accelerating in principia?

19:59 <queqiao-> ⟨ballatik⟩ I use physics warp (alt >) with no more issues than it causes without principia