08:18 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3902: Make the tests for fixed and unbounded arrays consistent - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3902

09:28 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3903: Clean up of operators - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3903

13:26 <_whitenotifier-cec0> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3903: Clean up of operators - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3903

13:30 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3904: Use defaulted equality whenever possible - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3904

15:38 <_whitenotifier-cec0> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3904: Use defaulted equality whenever possible - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3904

15:45 <_whitenotifier-cec0> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3905: Use the spaceship operator wherever possible - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3905

17:17 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3906: Fix errors found by Clang - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3906

17:18 <_whitenotifier-cec0> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3906: Fix errors found by Clang - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3906

18:10 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #3907: Allow specialization of Subset - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3907

18:10 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3907: Allow specialization of Subset - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3907

18:52 <_whitenotifier-c1cb> [Principia] pleroy closed pull request #3905: Use the spaceship operator wherever possible - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/pull/3905

19:26 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ just hit me that GSO insertion is as easy as just burning retrograde in the ECEF frame

19:30 <queqiao-> ⟨ballatik⟩ If you’re in the right spot, yeah. I’m with you though, it took me way too long to realize I could check my maneuver far easier in ECEF than ECI. Don’t need to look at numbers, just make the tiniest circle possible.

19:34 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ reference frames are like black magic if you're used to patch conics

22:19 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to use Principia just yet as I'm still learning stock KSP orbital mechanics, but I love the navball, so I guess I'm asking if I should A) just rip the band-aid off and go for it, or B) if not, how do I get this nice Navball into a non-principia install?

22:19 <queqiao-> ⟨robbibi_⟩ B: you don't

22:20 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ boo, for some reason I just like the look of it better, not sure why

22:20 <queqiao-> ⟨robbibi_⟩ don't bother with principia if all you're interested in is the navball

22:20 <paculino> There are many navballs, but iirc there was a mod that allowed changing navball texture

22:20 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ I'll have to look for it then

22:23 <paculino> Alternatively, you could make a backup copy of gamedata and replace squad's navball file with whichever principia one you prefer

22:23 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ I might try that, and once I get KSP orbital mechanics down, I'll try this for a challenge

22:23 <paculino> Or you could "use" principia and always have the cheat menu hack gravity set to 1.0

22:24 <paculino> I'm not sure which UI is used when hack gravity is on, but you may prefer to do that so you only need to ever learn the one ui

22:25 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ I'll take a look and see what I can get to work

22:52 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ get principia, you wont regret it

22:52 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ better to learn real orbital mechanics than kerbal mechanics only to later unlearn them

22:52 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ good point

22:53 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ considering I've spent a good part of the year unteaching my students stuff so I could teach them stuff

22:54 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ its not more difficult than vanilla, in fact a lot of things are easier to me

22:56 <queqiao-> ⟨fryz0123⟩ I'm gonna go for it

22:57 <queqiao-> ⟨markush100⟩ i shouldve gotten it back when it came out, i always told myself "next campaign"