<VITAS[m]>
they do have a point with the cildren thing
<VITAS[m]>
and trump....
<VITAS[m]>
btw hows your job going?
<RockyTV>
it's going great
<VITAS[m]>
when do they give you a real one?
<VITAS[m]>
with full pay and everything?
<RockyTV>
had to give it more attention the last couple of weeks cuz a we were deploying our service to a new client and we had to fix a bunch of stuff and implement new features
<RockyTV>
I suspect when my internship ends
<VITAS[m]>
and when is that?
<RockyTV>
december
<VITAS[m]>
They could promote you before that if they wanted to :)
<RockyTV>
yup
<RockyTV>
it all depends though, I don't know if you checked my messages on matrix :P
<RockyTV>
in case you didn't: I'm moving this weekend to another country
<VITAS[m]>
i would (even if you wont take it) apply for other jobs by then. Just to boost your confidence to demand enough money and them to fear losing you.
<VITAS[m]>
you do?
<VITAS[m]>
county or country?
<RockyTV>
I got a scholarship for a university in Hungary and it's all ready to go, just need to pack my things literally
<VITAS[m]>
i see no mytrix messages
<VITAS[m]>
wow
<VITAS[m]>
so much closer to me
<VITAS[m]>
our own EU dioctatorship :>
<VITAS[m]>
are you then free to travel within europe?
<RockyTV>
it was a surprise for me, I never thought I would get the scholarship specially after I was put on the waiting list
<RockyTV>
and yes, Brazil is part of the Schengen treaty so I don't need a visa to travel to Europe if my stay doesn't exceed 90 days
<VITAS[m]>
what are you going to study? computer sience?
<RockyTV>
mechatronics
<VITAS[m]>
didnt know that
<VITAS[m]>
ah
<VITAS[m]>
hamburg is still a 2k ish away
<VITAS[m]>
but you maybe could visit DasSkelett hes in munich so about 1.5k km closer
<RockyTV>
about 3 hours way
<VITAS[m]>
but you will be there for the whole time or just sort of exchange / 1.2 semsters?
<VITAS[m]>
1-2
<RockyTV>
it's full time, 7 semesters so about 3.5 years
<VITAS[m]>
we will find a way then
<VITAS[m]>
i hope that corona wont make plane travel problematic that long
<VITAS[m]>
are you gone be in the capital?
<RockyTV>
yup, and I need to do some tests right before traveling
<RockyTV>
also needed to ask for a special visa to enter the country
<VITAS[m]>
yes everything is closed down right now and hungarys head of state is know to love fences
<VITAS[m]>
it also made me nervous that the have some information about long term problems of infected
<RockyTV>
and it's now affecting younger people
<VITAS[m]>
even olympic runners cant climb to the second floor anymore
<VITAS[m]>
month after they where cured
<RockyTV>
yeah this is bad
<VITAS[m]>
it always has but i think it was masked
<VITAS[m]>
by the shear amount of elderly dying
<RockyTV>
if it means less people will get hospitalized then it's not that bad
<VITAS[m]>
i think its safe to say: noone is safe
<VITAS[m]>
thats the nature of a pandemic
<VITAS[m]>
i personaly try to keep cautious and not get bored with it
<VITAS[m]>
and am gratefull that i live in germany
<RockyTV>
me too, I have a whole procedure to do when I go out
<VITAS[m]>
free healthcare, many hospital beds, disciplined people (compared ot other countries)
<VITAS[m]>
yes people say traveling is the reason for the second wave
<VITAS[m]>
good thing you arent comming fromt he us
<VITAS[m]>
because they arent welcome atm
<VITAS[m]>
i would have suspected the same with brazil
<VITAS[m]>
(given the statistics)
<RockyTV>
I agree with the WHO, the virus is here to stay so pretending it disappeared because case numbers dropped significantly is just asking the virus to come back
<VITAS[m]>
people are bored
<VITAS[m]>
and people in countries less affected tend to think it isnt that bad
<RockyTV>
Brazil isn't allowed but I have a special visa and documents that prove that I need to travel so not a problem
<VITAS[m]>
noone i know was tested positive or even went to hospital
<VITAS[m]>
and many people have that
<VITAS[m]>
so they think its overreacting and maybe even a trick to take away rights
<VITAS[m]>
but germans are mostly good in obaying rules so that helps :)
<RockyTV>
my friend's mother tested positive because she works in health services, don't know if my friend tested positive too, later
<VITAS[m]>
yes health professionals are high risk
<RockyTV>
ah europe is disciplined and they survived a plague worse than this one
<VITAS[m]>
sure the world will survive this
<VITAS[m]>
but its about the cost
<VITAS[m]>
the usa lost about 245000 people in ww2
<VITAS[m]>
they are now nearly at 180000 deaths from corona
<Darklight[m]>
As far as the 'rona goes, this is what australia looks like atm
<VITAS[m]>
no i dont either
<Darklight[m]>
We basically peaked at 8000 and then went into lockdown and got nothing, and then a huge surge came back when things kinda ended
<VITAS[m]>
its a large country like russia they wont even know all cases
<VITAS[m]>
and then its a dictatorship
<Darklight[m]>
Honestly I think we are just all delaying what america has gone though, they'll recover first... ||by killing the most people||
<VITAS[m]>
no
<Darklight[m]>
I should say 8000 total cases
<VITAS[m]>
theres no prrof you cant be infected multiple times
<Darklight[m]>
Now we are 25k
<VITAS[m]>
and if you find a vacine you dontt have to infect everyone
<VITAS[m]>
its like saying you infect everyone with aids to get that over with
<Darklight[m]>
And whenever this topic comes up I always say the same thing
<Darklight[m]>
I hope that bat soup was really good
<RockyTV>
I agree with Darklight[m], it's just a matter of time before these countries like NZ get a outbreak
<VITAS[m]>
hmpf i could eat a worm ind cause a pandemic
<VITAS[m]>
and
<RockyTV>
I don't think worms aren't as safe as eating mammals
<RockyTV>
er, I mean, I think eating worms is safer
<VITAS[m]>
the strategy is: contaion it as much as possible till we have medicine
<VITAS[m]>
nothing else helps
<Darklight[m]>
I'm not saying we should accelerate it or anything dumb like that, but I don't think it's going to be over until everyone has it, and then we'll have 'rona season as an addition to our cold season
<VITAS[m]>
yes with way more deaths
<VITAS[m]>
like millions
<VITAS[m]>
no thank you
<VITAS[m]>
look at equador
<VITAS[m]>
they have dead laying on the streets
<Darklight[m]>
I think I guessed 60 million given the early death rates, not sure if that has changed with more accurate numbers
<VITAS[m]>
because there wasnt even anyone left to burry them
<RockyTV>
argentina was bragging about how well they handled the virus when brazil had like 300k cases
<VITAS[m]>
and also thinka bout all the people that havent got access to hospitals
<VITAS[m]>
or even if you do you wont get a bed
<RockyTV>
look at them now, people are turning against the president because his actions didn't contain the virus
<VITAS[m]>
when millions are ill at the same time
<Darklight[m]>
Oh the numbers probably closer to 150 million, oof
<VITAS[m]>
i would estimate 900 million or more dead if you would do nothing
<RockyTV>
I wonder what 2120 pandemic will look like
<Darklight[m]>
I'm pretty happy I live in AU atm though, but eh
<VITAS[m]>
because no health system could cope
<VITAS[m]>
and people would just be sick where they are
<VITAS[m]>
and die from stuff that isnt even corona related like starvation
<VITAS[m]>
not to mention the world economy
<VITAS[m]>
no food production no nothing
<Darklight[m]>
Eh the economy is pretty fucked and that's going to be understandable
<Darklight[m]>
If nobody is working
<VITAS[m]>
you havent seen fucked
<VITAS[m]>
if thats fucked for you
<VITAS[m]>
:)
<VITAS[m]>
you still get foamboarsd
<VITAS[m]>
-s
<Darklight[m]>
Ha
<Darklight[m]>
But anyone who reports any growth whatsoever is lying
<VITAS[m]>
its grimm yes but not "no food no clothing no nothing" grimm
<VITAS[m]>
no germany is down 10%
<VITAS[m]>
thats a lot
<Darklight[m]>
I've been completely unaffected though, I was NEETing in the off season for sugar cane and now it's crushing season and everything is normal
<VITAS[m]>
now imagine how bad it would be if we would corona walk free
<Darklight[m]>
Yeah let's not do that
<Darklight[m]>
Looks at american riots
<VITAS[m]>
yes its a balance between not ruining our economy and civilazation but save lifes
<VITAS[m]>
as always with safety its never 100%
<VITAS[m]>
because you cant afford to stay in your hole
<Darklight[m]>
Nobody can
<VITAS[m]>
every country finds another point on that spectrum
<VITAS[m]>
we dont know the right one because we didnt have anything like that in modern times
<VITAS[m]>
i only hope that my prediction of a vacine by end of the year is true
<RockyTV>
I'm thinking about those people that don't play games, how can they afford to stay home doing nothing 24/7?
<VITAS[m]>
that would mean we have hope for next year to be more normal again
<VITAS[m]>
uhm i dont play games and i can
<VITAS[m]>
im writing with you :D
<RockyTV>
:P
<VITAS[m]>
but its like asking how people in ye olden times manged to not go crazy in winter
<VITAS[m]>
without internet, computers and tv
<VITAS[m]>
i bought a keyboard
<VITAS[m]>
and im sorting my attic
<VITAS[m]>
also: nerds should know how to best manage to saty home 24/7 for most of your life :>
<RockyTV>
I always wanted to join a hackerspace but these things aren't common in Brazil
<VITAS[m]>
ims ure its closed atm but you might get some contact
<VITAS[m]>
also: you might be able to go to congress next year!
<VITAS[m]>
how logn is your flight duration?
<RockyTV>
I'll travel to São Paulo saturday morning, wait 9 hours at the airport, get a flight to Amsterdam (11h flight), wait 2 hours there and take a plane to Budapest (2h duration)
<RockyTV>
pretty much 1 and a half day traveling
<VITAS[m]>
hmm amsterdam. they city with the dildo monument
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<VITAS[m]>
i once lookd up flying to Darklight
<VITAS[m]>
its like 30h or so pure flying time 20 of them in one plane without landing.
<RockyTV>
I wonder if I can finish watching dragon ball super on the plane
<VITAS[m]>
lol
<VITAS[m]>
we are different generations
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<RockyTV>
what would you do on a 11h flight? :P
<VITAS[m]>
rampage?
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<VITAS[m]>
no i would watch different things
<VITAS[m]>
im not the dragonball or pokemon generation
<RockyTV>
depending on the movie selection on board :P
<VITAS[m]>
im currently watching Deepspace9 for the first time because i always thought its to soap opera
<VITAS[m]>
you could watch congress videos
<VITAS[m]>
media.ccc.de
<RockyTV>
the longest flight I've ever been to was a 9h flight
<VITAS[m]>
ive been to australia and japan before
<VITAS[m]>
but we had layover in singapur
<RockyTV>
this is going to be a long week :P
<VITAS[m]>
yes take something to get naps in uncomftable places
<VITAS[m]>
like earplugs
<VITAS[m]>
i always wear a zipper hoody when traveling
<VITAS[m]>
protects my head from whatever is on the surface my head rests on and makes it dark
<VITAS[m]>
apart from that i hope your slimmer than me
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<VITAS[m]>
i use all the tourist class seats. my knees are against the front seat and im wedged between arm rests
<RockyTV>
oof, 2 seats left on my plane to amsterdam
<RockyTV>
actually 6
<VITAS[m]>
hmm sardines in covid
<VITAS[m]>
get one in the middle
<VITAS[m]>
above the wing
<VITAS[m]>
best ones are are row behind the emergency exit
<VITAS[m]>
less motion there, highest possibllity to survive a crash and if emergency exit: firs one out and more legroom
<RockyTV>
hopefully there's plenty of seats to choose from
<VITAS[m]>
yes
<VITAS[m]>
airline?
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<RockyTV>
airfrance VITAS[m]
<VITAS[m]>
uhh my airline (ive shares of it)
<VITAS[m]>
:D
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<DasSkelett[m]>
So you had shares of AirFrance while working at Lufthansa? ^^
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<VITAS[m]>
when corona hit airfrance shares went down to 4.5€ a pop
<VITAS[m]>
o was rented by lufthansa
<VITAS[m]>
i
<VITAS[m]>
so no conflict there :)
<VITAS[m]>
smoke detector guy comes tomorrow to find out why his bugs didnt send any data the past 2 years
<VITAS[m]>
he will find them in place pissing themselves because they cant send anything and my own ones next to them
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<VITAS[m]>
9th october will be important to the usa
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<HebaruSan[m]>
Howso?
<VITAS[m]>
if i take the average death by day from corona thats the day it will be more deaths than the usa suffered in ww2
<HebaruSan[m]>
It's already more than the Korean and Vietnam wars combined. Those who care, already do, those who don't, won't for the WW2 number.
<HebaruSan[m]>
We have a lot of crazies sadly
<VITAS[m]>
yes
<VITAS[m]>
ww2 is sort of a beacon
<VITAS[m]>
because you won
<VITAS[m]>
and the benchmark of "unimaginable suffering"
<HebaruSan[m]>
The unimaginable suffering was mostly other countries tho
<VITAS[m]>
yes
<HebaruSan[m]>
Places that got firebombed, nuked, blitzkrieged, etc
<VITAS[m]>
somtimes i think the us dint have that for a long time so people there forget what they have and what they could lose
<VITAS[m]>
the same thing happens to europe currently
<VITAS[m]>
we have genrations that never even had a relative that experienced war
<HebaruSan[m]>
Personally I'd be more afraid of having to fight in a WW1 trench than most roles in WW2
<VITAS[m]>
so they cant imagine how bad things can be
<VITAS[m]>
depends
<VITAS[m]>
but yes ww1 was even more hell
<VITAS[m]>
or hell is different
<VITAS[m]>
hard to compare one hell with another
<RockyTV>
ww1 had chemical attacks right
<VITAS[m]>
yes mustard gas
<VITAS[m]>
but msotly its about shellings
<HebaruSan[m]>
People are shooting at you either way, but in WW1 you also get trench foot
<RockyTV>
must be terrifying to be on a trench on daylight and suddenly you have to start running because someone dropped some gas on you
<HebaruSan[m]>
And yes, the gas
<VITAS[m]>
my grandpa got so little to eat in ww2 his stomach stopped producing acid for the rest of his life
<RockyTV>
ouch
<VITAS[m]>
so that or trench foot
<VITAS[m]>
cant decide
<VITAS[m]>
and he had splinters in his body
<VITAS[m]>
coudnt raise one arm
<HebaruSan[m]>
My sympathies to your grandpa, that sounds awful
<VITAS[m]>
so baiscly ironman without arc reactor
<VITAS[m]>
:>
<VITAS[m]>
sadest sttory is he wanted to becoma a forrest ranger and you had to go to the army for a bit to be allowed
<VITAS[m]>
then war broke out
<VITAS[m]>
and he was stuck on in juguslavia and greece defending airfields
<HebaruSan[m]>
I think my family members only fought in the Pacific theater, so they probably weren't shooting at your family members
<HebaruSan[m]>
(There was some hesitation about sending ethnic Germans to Europe at that time)
<VITAS[m]>
he told me once how he was injured: he jumped out of his trench and tried to shoot someone with an mp but forgot to unsecure the gun so the other shot him and hit a handgranade on his belt but that didnt explode propeprly and just shattered
<VITAS[m]>
he then got onto a hospital ship in the med the british (against treaties at the time) captured it and brought everyone to egypt
<VITAS[m]>
he then got moved to irak and drove a cinima truck with a local guy in the camp
<VITAS[m]>
you can see the borders of that camp even today on google earth
<HebaruSan[m]>
As you say, we rarely appreciate not having to go through that now
<HebaruSan[m]>
Every time someone complains about "2020" (the meme), I think, but what about 1940-1945?
<VITAS[m]>
the british had a point system so if you had a wife you got eytra points. kids points. and time spent points. if you had your points full you where allowed to go home
<VITAS[m]>
theres letters from my grandma that she found a single glove in autum and made a pair of them by kniting the other halfs.
<VITAS[m]>
important enough to write in a letter
<VITAS[m]>
and now imagine the generationa fter me that didnt have a grandpa to talk about these things?
<VITAS[m]>
they take now for granted
<HebaruSan[m]>
Yup, all they'll have is books and documentaries
<RockyTV>
HebaruSan[m], 1920 spanish flu outbreak was worse than what we're facing right now iirc
<HebaruSan[m]>
Which only cover carefully researched historical facts, not incidentals
<HebaruSan[m]>
<span class="d-mention d-user">RockyTV</span> Yes, that too
<VITAS[m]>
yes but i know how it is with stuff noone arroudn me experienced. its nearly fiction
<VITAS[m]>
or at least unbelivable
<RockyTV>
nowadays it's much better thanks to the medicine being advanced and all that stuff, but wars are wars and every kind of war is terrible
<VITAS[m]>
in a: i cant belive such times existed
<VITAS[m]>
we just have other threads
<VITAS[m]>
everything is more advanced
<RockyTV>
I've only heard stories about the brazilians from FEB that fought in ww2; they had crappy guns and uniforms, they received old stuff from the US military
<VITAS[m]>
but its easier for viruses to spread because of that
<VITAS[m]>
no global economy no spread
<RockyTV>
and even then they were complimented very often
<VITAS[m]>
or computer virues and bugs
<RockyTV>
too bad when they got back after the war ended the government never embraced them as heroes
<VITAS[m]>
"cyber warfare"
<HebaruSan[m]>
I'm kind of in the group you describe, <span class="d-mention d-user">VITAS</span>, my grandfathers died relatively young and I never met them directly
<VITAS[m]>
HebaruSan: but for as long as it isnt the majorety of decison makers and pupulus its good
<VITAS[m]>
because not everyone acts careless if he didnt have a relative to talk to this stuff about
<RockyTV>
there's a story about the 3 brazilian heroes in ww2, it's sad because they died but what surprised me the most is that the german soldiers that killed them honored them
<HebaruSan[m]>
I got kind of an indirect impact from seeing the Japanese flag that my maternal grandfather took as war booty
<VITAS[m]>
All i know is that if youre in ware youdont feel like a hero
<VITAS[m]>
you want to survive
<VITAS[m]>
and your mates to survive too
<VITAS[m]>
and even the oponents arent mortal enemys because they go trough the same crap as you do
<RockyTV>
VITAS[m], ever heard of the franz stigler/charlie brown story?
<VITAS[m]>
i think a saw an interview
<RockyTV>
these stories show that war is all propaganda and in the end even though you're fighting someone, they are doing so because they were brainwashed or forced to fight
<VITAS[m]>
no war is raged between commanders
<VITAS[m]>
soldirs just want to survive and go home
<VITAS[m]>
most of them at least
<VITAS[m]>
and why wouldnt you?
<VITAS[m]>
its traumatizing
<HebaruSan[m]>
I just wish there was another historical route to getting computers and rockets
<HebaruSan[m]>
Both of those were basically pioneered by huge state investment in the 1940s
<VITAS[m]>
i think conflict is in every humans blood
<HebaruSan[m]>
Little reason to spend that much otherwise
<VITAS[m]>
we have to control it
<RockyTV>
the only good things about WW1 and 2 and cold war was the technology advancements
<VITAS[m]>
we could spend that mutch because we have other goals that unite us
<RockyTV>
like, we developed a jet aircraft in what? 10-15 years?
<VITAS[m]>
but it all starts by not taking responisbility for your actions and agreeing with a group on another group to blame for everything
<VITAS[m]>
and there you have nationalism, racism, war and devide
<VITAS[m]>
its so easy
<RockyTV>
there's so much things to worry about, our planet is dying, people are starving, plastics are hitting the ocean and people are too worried about the color or sexuality of other people
<VITAS[m]>
people worry because they want to play the blame game
<VITAS[m]>
they need ways to feel better than those bad people who are surly also repsonsible i burned my toast today
<VITAS[m]>
people "Out source" blame because it keeps relations within their group clean
<VITAS[m]>
noone acuses another one within your tribe of doing bad things
<VITAS[m]>
if you can agree on a 3rd party
<VITAS[m]>
and it gives you a common goal
<VITAS[m]>
so no matter how different you are in your belives if you can agree on that you are golden
<RockyTV>
it's much easier to blame someone else for the things you did
<VITAS[m]>
thats how right wing groups work
<VITAS[m]>
yes
<VITAS[m]>
and people are lazy
<RockyTV>
that's how politics work
<VITAS[m]>
because effort costs energy
<VITAS[m]>
so we want to conserve it
<VITAS[m]>
easy answers we dont have to get up for are the best
<VITAS[m]>
i dont have to clean my room he didnt do it
<VITAS[m]>
just pointt and feel better
<RockyTV>
and another point I disagree with is hostility towards one group or idea against your own opinion. sure, people may have thoughts that are questionable but if you are hostile towards them, you're just giving them another reason for them to think they're right. if you talk it out, respect their view and explain why they're wrong they might change
<RockyTV>
their opinion
<VITAS[m]>
and keep in mind no person ever thought of themselves as bad guys
<VITAS[m]>
their narative always makes them a hero fighting for the good
<VITAS[m]>
so everyone not agreeing with you is evil
<VITAS[m]>
if you dont reflect yourselves that is
<VITAS[m]>
you cant reason with fanatics
<VITAS[m]>
but everyone else: yes youre right
<VITAS[m]>
im talking about people who dont think about their actions and dont ask for motivation
<VITAS[m]>
lets take corona. its easy to say its a hoax because if you deny its existance you dont have to change anything
<VITAS[m]>
and if you point at others (health officials, bill gates, WHO,....) you can feel as freedom fighter and underdog
<VITAS[m]>
so bonus: people should pitty you for beeing treated the way you are and also look up to you for calling out this injustice
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