UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
<UmbralRaptor> The location of that cat's tail makes me uncomfortable, even if those are just floppies
<mofh> eh, it's stable.
<mofh> that shelf goes back further than it looks
<UmbralRaptor> Anyway, is that fibmod's cat?
<mofh> yes.
<mofh> one of the two, at least.
<mofh> http://138.68.64.246/IMG_0473.JPG here's the other
e_14159_ has joined #kspacademia
e_14159 has quit [Ping timeout: 378 seconds]
<egg> !wpn mofh
* galois gives mofh a pumped Windows optimization
<egg> !wpn whitequark
* galois gives whitequark a silicon phosphorus hug
<whitequark> nice, actually
<SilverFox> SnoopJeDi, wouldn't the adjective form be "friendly"?
<UmbralRaptor> A dope(d) hug
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* galois gives egg a sidereal Windows photon
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn SilverFox
* galois gives SilverFox a dangerous platinum question
<SilverFox> oh boy
<SilverFox> dangerous questions
<SilverFox> UmbralRaptor, you know how voltage controlled oscillators work?
<SilverFox> does anyone here know how VCO's work?
* UmbralRaptor does not, but would assume that others do
<SilverFox> I'm kind of designing a 32bit breadboard computer, video series that inspired me used a 555 timer that ran at a GODLY 300Hz
<SilverFox> that's right, Hz
<SilverFox> I want to run at GHz range, so I need an oscillator that can switch that, but I'm seeing a lot of voltage controlled ones, and I have no idea how to set the frequency on those, the datasheets dont really specify
<whitequark> SilverFox: you can't make a breadboard computer run at GHz range
<SilverFox> whynot
<whitequark> why yes
<whitequark> you should explain step by step how you think it should work and that'll make it clear
<SilverFox> my gates switch at the 5.5GHz range
<whitequark> do they?
<SilverFox> yeah
<whitequark> into what load?
<SilverFox> 180ps propagation delay
<SilverFox> the inverse of 180ps is like, 5.55...6 Ghz
<whitequark> again. they switch at 5.5 GHz into what load, and with which Vil and Vil?
<whitequark> okay, ECL differential
<whitequark> at 25°C the swing is 0.8V
<SilverFox> no idea what that means but okay
<whitequark> well. what is a wire?
<SilverFox> an inductor
<whitequark> yes, but what's more important here is it's a capacitor
<SilverFox> yes, it does have capacitance, also resistance
<whitequark> capacitance of a breadboard at fanout 4 should be something like 10 pF
<SilverFox> what about if I did it on like uhhh that pcb square with the holes
<SilverFox> just all holes
<whitequark> so you'd be spending 24 mA per gate, *very* optimistically
<SilverFox> who said it had to be power efficient
<SilverFox> I just wanna go fast because I have peripherals and stuff I want to design and connect up to it
<whitequark> it's less "power efficient" and more "will your gates be able to pull it off at all"
<whitequark> they barely might
<whitequark> the other problem you'll face is propagation delay
<SilverFox> I'm trying to eliminate propagation delay as much as possible
<whitequark> how are you doing it?
<SilverFox> which is why I chose the 180ps ones instead of the like, 107ns ones I saw
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> not through gates.
<whitequark> through wires.
<whitequark> it's gonna be huge, cuz, 32 bit
<whitequark> thousands of gates, if not more
<whitequark> so, physically large
<whitequark> so, high clock and data skew no matter what else you do
<SilverFox> give it a chili cheese dog
<SilverFox> go fast
<whitequark> by the time your ALU has computed the result your program counter is three instructions beyond that
<whitequark> now, handling *that* is not impossible, just very challenging
<SilverFox> well if it's 3 instructions, either 1) run clock 3 times slower, 2) ADD and then NOP twice
<whitequark> yes.
<whitequark> (when i say "3" i don't mean literally 3, i mean skew is going to be that significant)
<SilverFox> it could be of any number n, yes
<whitequark> (i mean it's a problem for a modern CPU on a single crystal, much less a breadboard)
<whitequark> right
<whitequark> so it's going to run at 3 GHz / n.
<SilverFox> right
<whitequark> that's pretty much my entire point here. if you're happy with that, go on :)
<SilverFox> I just want it to be as fast as possible
<whitequark> right.
<whitequark> 24 mA * 1000 gates is 24 A.
<whitequark> i hope you have some real good cooling system there.
<whitequark> dunk it in Galden or whatever
<SilverFox> because I want to add a keyboard, and vga display, and speakers, and ethernet so I can make my own IRC client
<SilverFox> and I'll need some storage medium like disks or something
<SilverFox> bring back the floppy
<UmbralRaptor> For IRC porpoises, MHz are fine
<SilverFox> probably
<SilverFox> also my computer is gonna have a hardware floating point unit
<SilverFox> so that's gonna be fun trying to decode the E-something something 7 something something spec and implementing it in hardware
<SilverFox> whitequark, what would be cool is integrated variation of the crystal per instruction, once I figure out how the fuck VCO works, as an ADD instruction takes different time than a SUB or MULtiply instruction does
<kmath> <JCTArtStudio> Night time #Utahraptor scribble. https://t.co/0mU1JQiFjq
<UmbralRaptor> this feels like something egg would like https://elekk.xyz/@noelle/102851058338474285
UmbralRaptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
UmbralRaptop has joined #kspacademia
<egg> !wpn whitequark
* galois gives whitequark a germanium ordinary polyhedron with a pterodactyl attachment
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin opened pull request #2338: Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface - https://git.io/JeGZJ
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2337: A window that shows mean orbital elements for the active vessel - https://git.io/JeGmB
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] dnjstlr555 starred Principia - https://git.io/JeGnW
<egg|work|egg> !wpn
* galois gives egg|work|egg a strategic antimony paraboloid
* egg|work|egg pokes mofh with the paraboloid
<egg|work|egg> oh a source for the cats thing https://twitter.com/mimimivirus/status/1176466779910135808
<kmath> <mimimivirus> @PavelASamsonov @EmilyDanchik This artwork is by @Filkit1 ⏎ ⏎ Her main page is https://t.co/yJ61DmL551
<egg|work|egg> cc whitequark
* egg|work|egg pokes mofh with a chat
* mofh meows
<egg|work|egg> moo
<UmbralRaptop> chirp
<egg|work|egg> moo
* mofh stares at a Bergman space
egg|cell|egg has joined #kspacademia
<UmbralRaptop> Early A stars are bad, and should feel bad
<mofh> what makes an A star an Early-A star anyhow?
<UmbralRaptop> Early type as in hotter/bluer
* UmbralRaptop is complaining about how I'm having to extrapolate, so I'm going to have several stars whose exposure times come with giant asterisks
<UmbralRaptop> Basically, anything past 7700 K is outside of the detailed model, and these go up to 9880 K
<mofh> Ahh.
<UmbralRaptop> The good news is that they should all follow are current trends of "lolno" for high precision RVs on hot stars
<egg> meow
* UmbralRaptop scritches egg
<UmbralRaptop> Tired: thermobaric weapon
<UmbralRaptop> Wired: Phonon torpedo
UmbralRaptor has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptop has quit [Ping timeout: 202 seconds]
UmbralRaptor has quit [Quit: Bye]
UmbralRaptop has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptor has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
UmbralRaptor has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptop has quit [Ping timeout: 190 seconds]
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeG0h
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeG0j
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeGEe
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeGEv
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeGEf
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin reviewed pull request #2338 commit - https://git.io/JeGEI
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] pleroy labeled pull request #2338: Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface - https://git.io/JeGZJ
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2338: Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface - https://git.io/JeGZJ
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3891/
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
egg|work|egg has quit [Quit: webchat.esper.net]
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Failure. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3891/
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3892/
UmbralRaptop has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptop has quit [Client Quit]
UmbralRaptop has joined #kspacademia
raptop has joined #kspacademia
UmbralRaptor has quit [Ping timeout: 198 seconds]
UmbralRaptop has quit [Ping timeout: 206 seconds]
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Failure. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3892/
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2338: Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface - https://git.io/JeGZJ
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3893/
<egg> !wpn
* galois gives egg a Landau neon magma
<egg> !wpn mofh
* galois gives mofh a lorentz robin
<egg> !wpn um
* galois gives um a dipole
<egg> um
<egg> !wpn Raptop
* galois gives Raptop a gladius
<raptop> !wpn egg
* galois gives egg a nebulum question
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3893/
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin closed pull request #2338: Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface - https://git.io/JeGZJ
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin pushed 4 commits to master [+0/-0/±18] https://git.io/JeGz9
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin d563569 - checkout the vessel and interface changes for separate review
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin 12af948 - after pleroy's review
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin 3ac5df1 - line length
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin 57e9f57 - Merge pull request #2338 from eggrobin/orbit-analyser-interface Expose the orbit analyser through Vessel and the interface
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] eggrobin synchronize pull request #2337: A window that shows mean orbital elements for the active vessel - https://git.io/JeGmB
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3894/
<_whitenotifier-cd19> [Principia] Failure. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3894/
<egg> !wpn whitequark
* galois gives whitequark a bimeromorphic eigenvector
<raptop> !wpn -add:wpn ket
<galois> Added wpn 'ket'
<raptop> !wpn -add:wpn bra
<galois> Added wpn 'bra'