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<ElizSimins> There is literally nothing too gay for straight people to be like "actually they're just really good friends" https://t.co/dUP3AQqexR
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<kmath>
YouTube - Stephens Island Wren and the Cobra Effect: Citation Needed 6x03
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<Iskierka>
well with exit polls as they are there's at least a very good chance may's gone. Tories will probably be quite happy to throw her under the bus for such a screw up
<Iskierka>
(assuming any busses are left)
<egg|zzz|egg>
she pulled a Chirac basically :-p
<egg|zzz|egg>
(though while saying far nuttier and more harmful things)
<kmath>
<ManyATrueNerd> I assume Corbyn's ringing every Labour MP, just to yell "Hey, I wonder how it would look if you'd bothered backing me 2 years ago?"
<Iskierka>
back before the NHS was half dismantled already
<egg|zzz|egg>
hung parliament seems like an interesting outcome
<fakeTank2333>
May won?
<Iskierka>
only one seat announced so far, exit polls say hung parliament
<Iskierka>
still mostly conservative but a reasonable margin short, so there's no way they're even keeping the same number of seats
<egg|zzz|egg>
Iskierka: also, the frenchman in me cannot help but laugh at those diagrams with abbreviated party names
<egg|zzz|egg>
the abbreviation for the tories is far too appropriate :-p
<Iskierka>
if it's CON then yes they're conmen
<egg|zzz|egg>
nono
<Iskierka>
CNT also appropriate
<egg|zzz|egg>
you are misunderstanding how I read CON
<kmath>
<CardiffGarcia> Maybe we've all been wrong, and strange women lying in ponds distributing swords actually would be a better basis for a system of government
<UmbralRaptor>
AIUI, a labour majority (or even plurality) is a multiple sigma polling error.
<Pinkbeast>
A Tory minority is more alas what I would seek
<Iskierka>
she's losing [seats as compared to last time] labour plurality is within sensible error but does not appear to be happening
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<egg|df|egg>
UmbralRaptor: that's not really realistic, otoh a hung parlyament is an interesting outcome
<egg|df|egg>
also might make the libdems eggsist if I understand something of the UK
<UmbralRaptor>
2010 all over again?
<egg|df|egg>
2010?
<Pinkbeast>
egg|df|egg: I expect the LDs will be making a comeback and I hope they won't be so daft as to make a 2010 deal again
<Iskierka>
hopefully without the same mistake, though with the numbers I'm not sure any two parties other than con-lab could form a majority
<Iskierka>
may have to be lab-lib-snp
<Pinkbeast>
egg|df|egg: In 2010 the LDs formed the coalition with the Tories and lost all their support
<egg|df|egg>
ah right
<Iskierka>
came out that they did prevent basically disaster from the tories (or at least delay it to 2015), but otoh they did enable it even being vaguely possible by going with con
<egg|df|egg>
Pinkbeast: tbh I got the feeling (from across the seas, hard to tell if accurate) that they were the sanest on the brexit question? (labour looked nonexistent on that vote)
<Pinkbeast>
egg|df|egg: LDs were entirely Remain and well ahead on that
<egg|df|egg>
yup
<Iskierka>
but they're not gonna be close to holding enough seats
<Iskierka>
so lab-lib would probably be good just to temper any lab that still have that crazy idea
<Pinkbeast>
Iskierka: Personally I feel they enabled it more than prevented it - better to have made a confidence and supply deal with the Tories if they were going to deal with the Tories at all - but who knows
<Iskierka>
they made a stupid deal to begin with but did some decent work on damage control
<egg|df|egg>
but in a hung parlyament suddenly the libdems would have the power to temper the nuttier side of brexit
<Iskierka>
not sure if they could realistically have renegotiated part way after realising how insane current tories are?
<Pinkbeast>
I don't forgive them for making the deal ti
<Pinkbeast>
Whoops
<Iskierka>
fair enough
<Pinkbeast>
to begin with. Some LD was quoted as saying approx "we didn't realise how nasty our coalition partners would be" and I was fuck me, what planet are you from?
<egg|df|egg>
well tbh, may's cons sound nuttier than even maggie's
<Pinkbeast>
egg|df|egg: Also I think if we must foist this Brexit awfulness on ourselves at all Corbyn's version is better than May's
<Pinkbeast>
egg|df|egg: Well, quite, Thatcher was pro-EU
<egg|df|egg>
indeed, (though quite eager to bash and yell against it exactly as much as she could :-p)
<Iskierka>
as the non-crazy part of the UK treats the NHS, that would be a sensible way to do it
<Iskierka>
these are very good things we should keep, doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticised. But maybe not throw poop over it and jump off the cliff
<Pinkbeast>
Quite what Iskierka said - serious gripes with the EU, particularly how it's used as a policy laundering device, but...
<egg|df|egg>
sure, but it's also been used as the generic scapegoat of UK politics for a looong time
<Iskierka>
and now at least a couple people are noticing that the EU is providing most of the good laws and UK most of the shit ones, at least lately
<Pinkbeast>
But also (for some of us) that the EU bureaucracy basically believes in the rule of law is an appeal
<Iskierka>
grammar?
<Pinkbeast>
Sorry, been to the pub
<Iskierka>
coping mechanism?
<Pinkbeast>
Nah, we always go on Thu. I like the rule of law. Even when EU mechanisms seem to get the wrong answer, they often seem to operate as we might hope. So I like that.
<egg|df|egg>
aaah, "that" as in "the fact that"
<egg|df|egg>
that sentence was too crafty for an uninebriated egg
<Iskierka>
does Nomal understand better when inebriated?
<egg|df|egg>
probably?
<Iskierka>
y'know these days you'd think they could record the previous time's vote schedule and do a live comparison of announcements to see the trajectory
<kmath>
<davidallengreen> Two-year period in Article 50 is fixed by law. Requires agreement for a change. The clock will run down, regardless of any Hung Parliament.
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