14:37 <UmbralRaptor> uhm https://twitter.com/diodebot/status/906159803084533761

14:37 <kmath> <diodebot> screaming Iskieria's-Submarine-catalyzed adiabatic diode

14:40 <Ellied> :u

14:40 <Ellied> I should probably have done more quality control on the wpn lists before I imported them

17:11 <Iskierka> okay, removing/disabling the AWS doesn't seem to work, suppose I'll just have to use an autohotkey script to auto-dismiss it

19:10 <Iskierka> so that worked but then it decided to give me a green light + change of line that lead me into a red just like a hundred yards later. In a 50 limit, which I was doing, because I had a green light

19:13 <Iskierka> messing with dovetail's train simulator to pass some time. Made it playable in anything but most-central-cabin-view by auto-dismissing AWS, (exterior camera doesn't play the noise, and even leaning-out-window counts as exterior), but then that signal decided not to link to the red just ahead?

19:14 <Iskierka> also naturally it ends the sim rather than just penalise you for passing on danger. Even though it *has an option* for this, which I *have disabled*

19:14 <Iskierka> Would even be fine with auto-emergency brake! That's annoying with AWS because I am paying attention to everything except the AWS which I can't hear! On a surprise red it would be helpful

19:15 <Pinkbeast> Odd - I've had that ever since it was Railworks and these sound unfamiliar - which route/scenario?

19:15 <Pinkbeast> The AWS normally displays on the F5? HUD

19:15 <Pinkbeast> I think in Career mode scenarios SPAD is an automatic fail regardless of that setting

19:16 <Pinkbeast> I ask about the route because it is possible for a route to be buggy such that a red can follow a green

19:17 <Iskierka> It does but very small and when I'm watching for signals, managing pressure, and watching the speed, since this is the career mode for Flying Scotsman (A3, and not a diesel replacement as the new Trainz has)

19:17 <Pinkbeast> I haven't really played it much since they messed up the steam controls a few years ago :-/

19:17 <Iskierka> Running a second time when I was vaguely aware of roughly where they would come I would manage to hit maybe 3/4 of the AWS without sound, but still got some

19:19 <Pinkbeast> The Class 91 doesn't play the driver alertness device thingy sound outside the cabin, which really does render it impossible

19:19 <Iskierka> Not sure if they fixed it, since I was dealing with other problems here I put it on automatic fireman

19:19 <Iskierka> Exactly the same here, with leaning-out counting as outside

19:20 <Pinkbeast> They haven't - you used to have control of shovelling rate not just on/off, independent analogue control of injectors, visible analogue control of dampers...

19:20 <Iskierka> If you are confident to not rely on AWS, this script will dismiss it every second: https://pastebin.com/sPWWGgqs

19:20 <Iskierka> (AHK script, alt+q to start it, hold q to stop)

19:21 <Iskierka> I think some of those might still be on controls inside but some are definitely gone, like shovel rate

19:22 <Iskierka> Trainz has them as well as some other oddities in steam (like 0 regulator but cutoff opposite to travel will cause braking), but the sim itself still has a lot of jank that never disappeared from the early versions

19:22 <Pinkbeast> The keyboard controls are all still there but a) there's no display of what they're set to and b) the F5 HUD locks some of them to what it thinks you're doing

19:44 <Iskierka> the F5 hud is just some little text in the top-left that gives a little more than the normal (f4) ui in some ways but a lot less in others

19:44 <Iskierka> still doesn't have shovel rate or such (or even whether you *are* shovelling)

19:45 <Pinkbeast> I might mean the F4 HUD, the big one, anyway

19:45 <Iskierka> that would be the F4 one and googling found what it used to and really should still look like

20:02 <Iskierka> Was there complaining about the interface change at the time? Google struggles to find any

20:07 <Pinkbeast> I've just looked back through my old sent-mail. It changed in TS2013.

20:08 <Pinkbeast> TS2012 had a driver/fireman control switch rather than showing you everything (bad) but a stoking rate slider, damper slider, two injector controls.

20:09 <Pinkbeast> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfiHNS4_xY shows the old HUD

20:09 <kmath> YouTube - STEAM TRAINS! HOW TO TUESDAY! TRAIN SIMULATOR 2012 ~ TUTORIAL & COMMENTARY

20:15 <Iskierka> they could've chosen a flatter route to demonstrate the speed changing

20:16 <Pinkbeast> I only picked that video as "first hit with old HUD", didn't watch it - for all I know a minute in it changes to the uploader running around the room painted blue

21:00 <icefire> this commentary is really bothering me

22:06 <Iskierka> and can find a high-quality steamer to drive

22:10 <Pinkbeast> I think I've reasonable hopes of OpenRails which may look uglier but has a bunch of keen simulation enthusiasts behind it

22:10 <Pinkbeast> Last Trainz I have is 2010 Engineer's Edition

22:23 <Iskierka> tbf a lot of trainz stuff isn't pretty, hence "if you can find a high-quality steamer to drive"

22:23 <Iskierka> only found gresley A1 & A3 in really good quality, K2 is acceptable. A4 kinda bad

23:40 <icefire> I'd probably take accuracy over looks myself

23:40 <icefire> perhaps thats why I prefer orbiter over ksp

23:48 <Iskierka> While I do like accuracy I like to have a compromise between them. The one I call kinda bad looks like background scenery from a 2002 flight simulator

23:49 <Iskierka> the acceptable one like foreground from a 2010 flight simulator, the good ones either a 2016 FS or a 2012 train sim. Either way, good enough