17:04 <UmbralRaptor> 1.4.4 announced, release today? Soon?

17:11 <egg> UmbralRaptor: D:

19:32 <UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg

19:32 <UmbralRaptor> no, a weapon to use on Squad.

20:05 <GH> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #1860: Symmetric bilinear forms (master...SymmetricBilinear) https://git.io/flbTb

20:23 <GregroxMun> o/

20:24 <GregroxMun> hey you're not allowed to do that, eggs are not cats.

20:24 <egg> GregroxMun: can you give me a working draft with an EVE config so I can check that everything works and see what needs rescaling patches?

20:24 <egg> GregroxMun: hmm

20:24 <egg> GregroxMun: maybe I'm a cat egg?

20:24 <egg> https://d2kwjcq8j5htsz.cloudfront.net/2017/11/07163101/cat-egg.jpg

20:24 <GregroxMun> I'll give you the current build, but it's not really all working.

20:24 <GregroxMun> sorry

20:25 <GregroxMun> I came here to say I need to take a little break

20:26 <egg> ow, are things ok?

20:27 <GregroxMun> pretty much, I'm just getting slightly burned out.

20:27 <GregroxMun> literally, the summer temperatures are interfering with my ability to do anything, and figuratively too

20:33 <egg> GregroxMun: you can also release the thing in incremental improvements, it doesn't have to be the great update to end all updates

20:33 <egg> GregroxMun: doing giant updates tend to lead to being burned out, what with "oh but that neat thing also needs to be in"

20:33 <egg> (that's how we switched to releasing every new moon, we ended up with an 8 month long update)

20:35 <GregroxMun> uh huh

20:35 <GregroxMun> you're right

20:35 <GregroxMun> Maybe I should remove the scatterer and EVE patches for now and release what I've got.

20:36 <GregroxMun> or just specify they are WIP

20:36 <egg> just saying "it's WIP" is fine imo

20:36 <egg> especially since to get them you need to install another mod

20:36 <egg> (I mean, Principia is full of WIP, our UI has been shit forever :-p)

20:36 <GregroxMun> you'd be surprised

20:36 <GregroxMun> a lot of people just keep Scatterer and EVE installed and assume nothing will go wrong

20:36 <GregroxMun> heck

20:37 <egg> eh, people who do silly things are not the most interesting audience :-p

20:37 <GregroxMun> some people keep Stock Visual Enhancements installed with Alternis Kerbol Rekerjiggered, despite my warning against it

20:37 <egg> hah

20:37 <GregroxMun> they're the audience that share their pictures on the KSP reddit!

20:37 <egg> hah true

20:38 <egg> but then most of the reddit threads involving princpia have been full of stupid statements so

20:38 <GregroxMun> like what

20:40 <egg> hmm, been a while since I looked, it seems there are quite a few actually sane threads now?

20:40 <egg> magic!

20:42 <egg> GregroxMun: I mean you still get the same stupidity repeated again and again https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/6cfubc/ookay/dhuf9dq/

20:42 <egg> no you silly penguin only the gravitational interaction with *another planet* moves them, you can't

20:43 <egg> unless you are a planetary penguin

20:43 <egg> GregroxMun: but anyway, releasing your work as you do it tends to make things less stressful

20:47 <egg> "Also, it would be really hard to display planetary orbits. The principia team are working on that, but for now, Jool is having a disco party judging by its KSP-drawn orbit." hah pretty much

20:47 <GregroxMun> speaking of which

20:47 <GregroxMun> fix for that when :v

20:48 <GregroxMun> (seriously, binary orbits with Principia will be so cool when you can actually see the orbit lines properly)

21:12 <GregroxMun> discussion of starships on the Kopernicus server have errupted, so we now must know when principia will simulate general and special relativity. :P

21:42 <egg> GregroxMun: yeah we should look at celestial orbit lines eventually

21:42 <egg> it's a bit tricky

21:42 <egg> the Kopernicus server?

21:44 <GregroxMun> discord

21:47 <egg> hm I am hitting this issue https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/7jwn3e/claim_account_email_is_already_registered/

21:49 <GregroxMun> I see you on the server now

21:50 <egg> yeah

21:58 <egg> GregroxMun: but yeah, your WIP system is much nicer than the existing one already, and in particular from the TRAPPIST-1 patch point of view it massively improves things by turning d from a desert to a water world and b into a hot Venus, so don't burn yourself out on scatterer refinements; the config you used for that imgur album were very pretty already

21:58 <GregroxMun> well the problem is that scatterer doesn't *work*

21:59 <egg> huh? on my machine it works

21:59 <GregroxMun> well it's very buggy

21:59 <GregroxMun> the atmosphere tends to flicker

21:59 <egg> ah, well, yes, that's scatterer

21:59 <GregroxMun> I think, based upon your advice, I will release the new SLIPPIST-1 today or tomorrow.

22:01 <egg> GregroxMun: one thing that I encountered with scatterer is that the planetslist at the version you sent me had hasOcean = True on b and c, that screwed with things

22:02 <egg> (since they don't have a Scatterer_ocean config something in scatterer got very confused)

22:02 <GregroxMun> I did fix that

22:03 <GregroxMun> it now has hasOcean = false for b, c, and h.

22:03 <egg> ah, good

22:03 <egg> well, then it works as well as I expect scatterer to tbh

22:03 <egg> sometimes it's a bit wonky depending on the phases of the moon but if that annoys me I can also remove scatterer :-p

22:04 <GregroxMun> I kind of want to try to find a way to make Beta look more like this: https://i.imgur.com/p6kIkek.png even without scatterer

22:08 <egg> GregroxMun: fwiw I do think the scatterer config is usable and improves things in its current state, but even if it's glitchy on some setups people can disable it by removing scatterer so it shouldn't block things

22:08 <GregroxMun> ok

22:24 <egg> GregroxMun: also is that your dog in the slippist album

22:24 <GregroxMun> yes

22:24 <egg> also is it your cat,

22:24 <GregroxMun> i do not own a kat

22:24 <egg> well no, that's not how it works, the kats adopt you

22:24 <GregroxMun> i own two cats, but I didn't have any good pictures of them

22:25 <egg> but, catpics,

22:27 <egg> GregroxMun: also that transiting cat reminds me of https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/948351020651941888

22:27 <kmath> <eggleroy> At @Newpa_Hasai's request, also with cats (cat length is 50× the transit duration). https://t.co/Hr5kVcfKAo

22:27 <egg> I should redo it with all the new observations

22:27 <egg> GregroxMun: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSk34htXkAAEO0n.jpg:orig if you want to actually see the cats

22:28 <GregroxMun> hah

22:41 <UmbralRaptop> GregroxMun: in case you're wondering, the relevant software is catterplot.

22:43 <egg> UmbralRaptop: this wasn't done with catterplot tho

22:44 <egg> it was just Mathematica + some random catpic

22:44 <UmbralRaptop> ah