UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is 🐇. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
<discord-> S​umguy. — @egg it's orange and blue. That's not a good sign, is it?
<discord-> S​umguy. — I have the principia folder for sure
<discord-> S​umguy. — Fibonacci
<discord-> e​gg. — ours can be orange and blue as well, the question is whether it looks like the stock one or like the one in the Principia screenshots, e.g. the last one above
<discord-> S​umguy. — er, it's teal and orange, not blue and orange
<discord-> n​eph. — you don't have principia
<discord-> n​eph. — nothing in that screenshot is principia
<discord-> S​umguy. — oh no
<discord-> S​umguy. — but
<discord-> S​umguy. — then what's this in my mod folder?
<discord-> S​umguy. — and how is it not working?
<discord-> n​eph. — What's inside that?
<discord-> S​umguy. — and more
<discord-> S​umguy. — how do I troubleshoot this one?
<discord-> n​eph. — oh honey
<discord-> n​eph. — did you follow the install instructions at all?
<discord-> e​gg. — haha
<discord-> S​umguy. — what did I do wrong?
<discord-> e​gg. — you didn't read the "Documentation and download" section in ψ_Π_offset_
<discord-> e​gg. — uh
<discord-> e​gg. — in https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162200-wip151-161-17x-principia%E2%80%94version-fibonacci-released-2019-09-28%E2%80%94n-body-and-extended-body-gravitation-axial-tilt/&tab=comments#comment-939752 rather
<discord-> e​gg. — (my clipboard has weird things in it but that's neither here nor there)
<discord-> e​gg. — read the *Documentation and download* section there
<discord-> n​eph. — Or just scroll down to the readme as the directions in the wiki mod list direct you
<discord-> e​gg. — also why does it say "del Fibonacci"
<discord-> n​eph. — and follow this simple link:
<discord-> e​gg. — @neph yeah, but I prefer the forum as it also tells you how not to report bugs
<discord-> e​gg. — because if someone has trouble installing the thing they likely will also have trouble finding our custom logs
<discord-> n​eph. — if you wanna revise this be me guest
<discord-> e​gg. — "syn-synchronous"
<discord-> e​gg. — ack-synchronous
<discord-> S​umguy. — welp
<discord-> S​umguy. — time to start everything over
<discord-> n​eph. — ouch
<discord-> e​gg. — ␖chronous
<discord-> n​eph. — @egg fix my stupid typos
<discord-> e​gg. — :-p
<discord-> e​gg. — but it's three in the morning
<discord-> e​gg. — I should try sleeping
<discord-> n​eph. — get at 'em cowboy
<discord-> e​gg. — before ␖rise
<discord-> n​eph. — touche
<discord-> e​gg. — @neph any feedback on the orbit analysis tool while you're here?
<discord-> D​RVeyl. — rstSynchronous, for when you meant it.
<discord-> n​eph. — Haven't had the chance to much use it yet
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<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Syn-synchronous orbits?
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Usually I see a-synchronous orbits
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — my game started crashing today for some reason, once i pass the 140km mark the game just closes without any crash logs, the only ones i found are in Kerbal Space Program/glog/Principia should i upload it and maybe someone would give me a clue on what exactly is the problem?
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<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] TransparentElemental opened issue #2360: Check failed and game instantly closes, didn't happen yesterday - https://git.io/JeRtd
<Ictogan> Currently having some trouble getting Principia to run on linux(System.BadImageFormatExceptions for all of the principia DLLs on startup). I do have libc++ and libc++abi installed. Is anyone around who could help me?
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<egg> ...
<egg> yes but not if you run away
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] TransparentElemental edited issue #2360: Check failed and game instantly closes, didn't happen yesterday - https://git.io/JeRtd
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Transparent_Elemental from the logs it looks like the FASAExplorerProbe part has a mass that is NaN, this is what's causing the crash
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — i have this probe in orbit and when i was launching it first time it went completely fine
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah it's not clear to my what causes its mass to become NaN
<discord-> e​gg. — we don't change part masses though, so it's not coming from Principia itself (merely made very visible by Principia, since we crash on bad data)
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<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — I have a thought that the Kerbalism might be involved somehow, i fairly recently updated it because it turned out that i was using an outdated version
<discord-> e​gg. — cc @Sir Mortimer
<discord-> e​gg. — @Transparent_Elemental can you give us your save file?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — yeah
<discord-> e​gg. — attach it to the issue
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — @egg how? it refuses to take my zip archive
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — oh nvm
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] TransparentElemental edited issue #2360: Check failed and game instantly closes, didn't happen yesterday - https://git.io/JeRtd
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — attached
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — didn't noticed that it was a rar archive, not zip
<discord-> e​gg. — OK, we'll look at this in a bit
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<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — 🕕
<discord-> e​gg. — ?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — i'm just waiting 6 hours already
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — not trying to be mean or something
<discord-> D​amien. — 🍿
<discord-> e​gg. — @Transparent_Elemental I am at work
<discord-> e​gg. — We are not getting paid to develop Principia, let alone do tech support for it; we look at issues when we have time and we feel like it
<discord-> e​gg. — and that may mean that we don't look at your issues for days, because sometimes we do other things with our lives
<discord-> e​gg. — but in any case I am certainly not going to debug your issue when I'm in the office doing my actual job
<discord-> e​gg. — anyway, off to a meeting
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<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #2360: Check failed and game instantly closes, didn't happen yesterday - https://git.io/JeRlq
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer hm, so @Transparent_Elemental mentions that Kerbalism had been updated recently; you have things that change part masses, right?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — not the kerbalism, **I** updated it recently because i had old version of it
<discord-> e​gg. — yes, I understand that
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — though i think there was a new update in fact
<discord-> e​gg. — but that means it might be the one doing strange things to the mass of your FASAExplorerProbe
<discord-> e​gg. — it looks like the FASAExplorerProbe has a Kerbalism HardDrive
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — there is something that changes part masses, yes, but I doubt that it produces a 0 mass part. Unless of course configs are way out of whack
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — we had a NaN issue in relation with Kopernicus tho
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — which is supposed to be fixed in the latest two dev builds
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg what version is this?
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — @egg you'll want to look at the dev branch, the RO folks have been using it for a while now
<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer I don't know which version @Transparent_Elemental is using
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah dev does seem to have a lot of positivity checks https://github.com/Kerbalism/Kerbalism/blob/dev/src/Kerbalism/Modules/HardDrive.cs
<discord-> e​gg. — @Transparent_Elemental which Kerbalism version are you using?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — 3.1.0
<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer is that a thing?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — i'm not too sure too
<discord-> n​eph. — You should have a big bold number on your kerbalism menu
<discord-> n​eph. — I bet this guy's running it from CKAN it's prolly old af
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — been doing that
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — untill the orange guy told me about that
<discord-> e​gg. — the orange guy?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — guy with orange name
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — i don't remember the name
<discord-> e​gg. — there are several people with an orange name
<discord-> n​eph. — What exactly is "that"?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — Standecco is his name
<discord-> n​eph. — Ah yeah he's the ROK dev
<discord-> n​eph. — What was "that" which you were doing and "that" which you were told?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — "that" is installing ROK through ckan because the tutorial told me to get the kerbalism from anywhere i want
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — ckan's version is indeed old
<discord-> n​eph. — what dev version is shown in your menu now that I assume you have the right kerbalism base
<discord-> n​eph. — Also #rp1-kerbalism?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — guess so
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — since it's no principia issue
<discord-> n​eph. — Or is there still suspicion that this is a principia problem?
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — egg said that principia doesn't change the part's masses which is why my game crashes
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — FASA's explorer probe has NaN mass
<UmbralRaptop> Uh, I don't think Principia supports that metric. Does it cause naked singularities?
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<discord-> e​gg. — well, it doesn't have NaN mass to start with, nor in your save; some mod is changing it to NaN
<discord-> e​gg. — (and it's not us)
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Wait
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — The NaN mass is persisted as thempart mass?
<discord-> e​gg. — no
<discord-> e​gg. — it changes to NaN at some point, and then we instantly crash the game
<discord-> e​gg. — so it never has a chance to get persisted that way :D
<discord-> e​gg. — input sanitizing by destroying the universe
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — What part modules are on it?
<discord-> e​gg. — dunno
<discord-> e​gg. — there's a HardDrive and other stuff probably
<discord-> e​gg. — but grepping is hard and I'm lazy
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Thing is, experiments and hard drives can have varying masses in kerbalism. ButbI have yet Tomate a case that can get NaN
<discord-> e​gg. — Tomate
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Gah
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — Can’t type with one finger in bandages
<discord-> e​gg. — ow
<discord-> e​gg. — oh right, your bread misadventures
<discord-> e​gg. — speaking of bread, NaN
<discord-> e​gg. — @Sir Mortimer the discussion seems to have gone to #rp1-kerbalism where the bug reporter gave a build number
<discord-> e​gg. — not sure whether that's useful
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin created tag test - https://git.io/fpDwq
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin tagged ba9b8f9 as test https://git.io/JeRRB
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag test - https://git.io/fpDwq
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag test
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin created tag test - https://git.io/fpDwq
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin tagged 93eb3f6 as test https://git.io/JeRRz
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag test - https://git.io/fpDwq
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] eggrobin deleted tag test
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] pleroy opened pull request #2361: A number of cleanups recommended by Clang - https://git.io/JeREY
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] Pending. Build queued… - 
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] Pending. Building… - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3936/
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<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — what is this code that pleroy left as a comment to my issue on github? @egg
<discord-> e​gg. — the stack
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — a what
<_whitenotifier-31f> [Principia] Success. Build finished. - http://casanova.westeurope.cloudapp.azure.com:8080/job/Principia/3936/
<discord-> e​gg. — The code path that led to the crash
<discord-> e​gg. — (all the way from the interface, which gets called from the C#, down to the check failure)
<discord-> e​gg. — It's just a convenience for us to know what's going on; in this case the logs are obvious enough, but this is very often helpful
<discord-> T​ransparent_Elemental. — oh ok
egg is now known as egg|zzz|egg
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