UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is 🐇. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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DRVeyl. — Used to have a wall projector for my monitor setup, and played KSP on that. Cat would leap up to bat at the Kerbals walking around the VAB.
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Sir Mortimer. — Kerbalism has a bunch of containers that can hold anything from food to waste. We (optionally) use B9PartSwitch to change the configuration, for that B9 can define default primary and secondary colors.
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Sir Mortimer. —
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Sir Mortimer. — The new default primary color for WasteWater now is called "EggShell". Just pointing this out before anyone brings it up, its nothing personal, @egg 😉
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Sir Mortimer. — (fun fact: Waste is called BabyShitBrown...)
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Damien. — et tu brute?
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Damien. — How can you do egg like that
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Damien. — That's cold 😲
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Sir Mortimer. — I'm so sorry.
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egg. — @Sir Mortimer clearly you should have an MM patch that renames that resource to eggs
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Sir Mortimer. — 🤣
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Damien. — no joke I'd actually use a patch that changes 'food' to 'eggs'
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egg. — it should obviously change water to coffee, too
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Damien. — ^
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Damien. — WTB a fuel cell that produces coffee
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egg. — *Ey! Wie schmeckt der Coffee süße*
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egg. — Apparently it's sometimes even written *Ei!*, very appropriate
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Damien. — that's where half of the juvenile shitposters have come from in here
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Damien. — me posting about principia on the ksp dicord
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Damien. — me posting about principia on the ksp discord (edited)
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Damien. — hook them in with a few square orbit pics and photos of earth with RSSVE installed and boom, new RO players, if not principia ones
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egg. — @Damien the middleman is useful, I'll probably forget to ask
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Damien. — lol, no probs then. I'll see if he's on later
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Damien. — just saw you joined, do a search for me in there to see the convo
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Damien. — I don't normally appear and go into a sales pitch but figured I would this once
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Sir Mortimer. — I used to be on ~3 discord servers. Now I’ve lost count
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Damien. — it seems the 'no pings' rule isn't that seriously enforced btw
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Damien. — so go nuts
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Damien. — really hard to follow people talking to each other in a crowd without pings
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Sir Mortimer. — I also have a tendency to leave servers with a low signal to noise ratio, so I might leave soon 🙂
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Damien. — yeah it's not the busiest
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Damien. — I only went on there to pester manley
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Damien. — @egg Scott is on
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lamont. — should pester him about PVG at some point, but i'm not awake right now
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Sir Mortimer. — I feel guilty for not knowing what that does, exactly
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Damien. — @egg I asked him. I'll let you know if he replies.
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Damien. — The more I think about what he said the more confused I am. Why is he using patched conics to view closest approaches while using principia?
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Damien. — That just sounds all kinds of wrong
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lamont. — my only guess would be that patchy conics is fast, so he's using that to screw around quickly, then switching to not patchy conics to fine tune
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Damien. — @egg look in scott's discord
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Damien. — what have I done...
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Sir Mortimer. — purple noodle gang invasion. and now the chief pastafari is preaching to yet another couple of convertites.
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Damien. — I know but the things people are saying remind me of the ksp discord
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Damien. — y no orbit hack
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Damien. — y no stock nodes
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Damien. — ui too confusing
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Damien. — (ok maybe the last one is legit)
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Sir Mortimer. — well...
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Sir Mortimer. — fanbois.
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egg. — the UI is needlessly clumsy in places, that's true
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egg. — (interactible trajectories would be great but don't sound fun to implement)
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Sir Mortimer. — even if they aren't, there is the new manøever node editor in KSP 1.8, stock. maybe you can ~~look at the decompiled code~~investigate if that can be hijacked
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lamont. — that boils down to "fixing maneuver nodes" though
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Sir Mortimer. — no, not necessarily. i'm thinking about abusing their GUI to edit the values of the principia node editor. instead of using the principia ui sliders.
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Sir Mortimer. — and...
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Sir Mortimer. — i *really* need to install MJ. people tell me it's great.
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Damien. — borderline mandatory in RSS
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Damien. — I was a 100% anti-MJ 'it's cheating' fanatic until I started playing RSS
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Damien. — then after a while I went from manual to MJ smartass pitch offsets
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Damien. — then to ascent guidance
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Damien. — can't have repeatable, testable ascents without automation
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DRVeyl. — Also felt that way while learning the game. Why ask the computer to do the orbital mechanics for me? Many launches later.... ... Well, it is neat when the nature of the game experience changes with your own experience level.
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Sir Mortimer. — @Damien i'm not about muh cheating. i don't care about cheats. I cheat myself, a lot (and justify it by fixing something in kerbalism for every time i cheat).
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Sir Mortimer. — I just like flying myself, it's in my bones 🙂
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Damien. — I still refuse to use it for anything other than ascents though
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Damien. — if I can't do it manually, I don't automate it
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Sir Mortimer. — other problem is: i'm lazy and didn't get into how to unlock all features in a career game at a time early enough to make a difference.
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lpg. — my treshold has generally been "I know I can do it, I've done it a zillion times, you do it from now on"
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lamont. — if you're not solving nonlinear two point boundary value problems to get your rockets into orbit you're all cheating,,
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Sir Mortimer. — alt+f12, set orbit. looks like a *very* linear solution to me 😛
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lamont. — ahahah
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lamont. — terminal boundary value problem
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egg. — hah
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Sir Mortimer. — is that the term I've been looking for when AP/PE dance all around the body?
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Damien. — @lamont possibly dumb question, if I have a thor-ablealike that keeps lofting my 2nd stage higher than my desired Pe, even though I know it could be flown a lot more efficiently manually, why is that?
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Damien. — also, still no way of saying 'reach this height even if you know you can't circularise' for lob/kick launchers?
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lamont. — latter one is still no
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lamont. — uh, former shouldn't be possible, although it might be the periapsis-attachment and/or circular orbit issues since PVG is fixed at zero'ing out the vertical velocity at insertion.
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Damien. — it's like it's lobbing it higher to account for a low TWR 2nd stage burning downwards
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lamont. — i still need to update my matlab launcher with better terminal conditions and validate the fact that you can beat periapsis-attachment though
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Damien. — but it's not a low twr stage
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lamont. — uh
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Damien. — it's like 1.6 twr
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lamont. — insufficient avionics?
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Damien. — no, avionics are fine
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Damien. — could be user error
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lpg. — in my experience that's just because the burn time is low and it needs to get lots of vertical velocity to get to the target altitude in time
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Damien. — but seems weird
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lamont. — yeah
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lamont. — titan 2 always burns down pretty hard because its short burntime
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lamont. — oh yeah thor-able are those awful things that have like > 2 TWR at liftoff?
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Damien. — does it matter that MJ DV stats are showing the 2nd stage as 1 but ksp shows it as 2?
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Damien. — 1.5/1.6 1st/2nd
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Damien. — restricted by engine burn time
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Damien. — can't really make them burn longer with less twr
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lamont. — yeah snappy enough, that's higher than t2
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lamont. — i suspect its due to orbital mechanics and that PVG is optimal for your target conditions, but low circular orbits waste a lot getting a real fast veritcal velocity and then killing it all off
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Damien. — I'm trying to abuse this design to do two contracts at once so I'm going polar, and a 300*700 orbit
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Damien. — I have the two stages of thor-able, plus an unguided kick stage
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lamont. — yeah i think the TL;DR is that you're trying to minmax too hard on horrible early rockets and PVG can't handle that well
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Damien. — I can get to 300, then ignite the kick but that wastes a lot of DV, or I reach escape vel (not really a problem as such). what I want to do is loft to 700, then use the kick stage
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Damien. — yeah these are caveman scenes admittedly
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Ampersand. — "how fast can you get a vanguard 1 going" would be a pretty entertaining thing to do
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Damien. — more like can I caveman the moon?
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Ampersand. — Sure you can, all you need is RealAntenna with the right antenna tech
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Ampersand. — Moon caveman is ez
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Damien. — ah yeah, forgot antenna
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Damien. — not researched lunar comms yet
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Damien. — but it'll be done by the time this is built
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egg. — Should I poke at making the camera rotate with the plotting frame
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Damien. — yes pls
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Ampersand. — That sounds neat h
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Ampersand. — That sounds neat (edited)
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egg. — or should I change parameter passing from reference to value in the cases that should now be passed by value following the calling convention change
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Damien. — en anglais s'il vous plait
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egg. — make thing maybe go bit more fast maybe
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Damien. — definte 'thing'
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Damien. — define 'thing' (edited)
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egg. — Principia in general
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egg. — but not sure which bits would be improved by that
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Damien. — seems ok to me but faster is always good
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egg. — if at all
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Damien. — low priority imo
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Damien. — camera aligned to ecliptic would be nice, other camera hacks would be interesting
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egg. — whenever things are inlined the calling convention and parameter passing should be irrelevant, and things that are not inlined should be big enough that it's not the primary cost
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Damien. — I need a calculator to do multiplication egg, and have no idea what cos and sin are. what you're saying is chinese to me
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Damien. — pretend I have the IQ of a rock 🙂
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