UmbralRaptop changed the topic of #principia to: READ THE FAQ: http://goo.gl/gMZF9H; The current version is 🐇. We currently target 1.5.1, 1.6.1, and 1.7.x. <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien if you change target it fixes it, right?
<discord-> e​gg. — change frame, go to another body, go back
<discord-> e​gg. — wait no nevermind
<discord-> e​gg. — I was confused
<discord-> e​gg. — interestingly only the clouds are garbled, not their shadow
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<discord-> D​amien. — That is interesting. Any idea as to why?
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<discord-> e​gg. — Hm, rotating the planetarium camera pivot moves the cameras away from the scaled space origin, where the galaxy camera lives
<discord-> e​gg. — but EVE uses the galaxy camera to figure out where you are looking from, rather than the scaled camera
<discord-> e​gg. — normally they are all at the origin because scaled space will have moved accordingly
<discord-> e​gg. — however, here we are patching the planetarium camera pivot *after* scaled space has done its thing
<discord-> e​gg. — we would want to run between PlanetariumCamera and ScaledSpace here https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/api/script_order.html
<discord-> e​gg. — problem: there is nothing between those
<discord-> e​gg. — @lamont, @Sir Mortimer, et al.: do you happen to have thoughts on matters of timing and scaled space?
<discord-> e​gg. — I can't move scaled space by hand either, because its LateUpdate is private, and mutates a private member
<discord-> S​ir Mortimer. — would it make any difference to EVE if they used the scaled camera instead?
<discord-> e​gg. — dunno
<discord-> e​gg. — that could be a workaround possibly
<discord-> e​gg. — but it seems morally wrong to have the scaled camera not be at the origin
<discord-> e​gg. — I could `Invoke("LateUpdate")` on `ScaledSpace` 🤪
<discord-> e​gg. — > If time is set to 0, the method is invoked at the next Update cycle
<discord-> e​gg. — not even clear that would be enough
<discord-> e​gg. — 🤪
<discord-> l​amont. — you're over my head here
<discord-> l​amont. — scaledspace is the bigly scaled version used to draw the system map?
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah
<discord-> e​gg. — and timing is a permanent headache
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — If I downgrade the latest release to the last one, will it cause any issues?
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I'm noticing my game is crashing more often
<discord-> e​gg. — downgrading is not supported
<discord-> e​gg. — if it crashes, you're supposed to complain to us, not silently hope that it goes away
<discord-> e​gg. — if we don't hear about crashes, we're not going to do anything about them
<discord-> e​gg. — to my knowledge there are no crashes
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Well, I'm not sure if it's Principia or not
<discord-> e​gg. — well if it's not principia you don't need to downgrade :D
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I went on break for school and brought my laptop home and copied my ksp install to it, when I came back I updated Principia on my pc and the game just seems to lag more
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — But then again it crashed less on my laptop, so it could just be me
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut how big is your savefile
<discord-> e​gg. — the main change is that now history accumulates without being forgotten, so saves can get large over time (but this won't happen instantly)
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Mmm, I started a new game after I got back but my current is one is 159mb
<discord-> l​pg. — ouch. same here. No wonder opening them over an smb share has been slower lately
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — And looking at the old save without the principia update, the save 65mb
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Like, every two scene changes sometimes my game crashes
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — smb?
<discord-> l​pg. — windows file sharing
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Oh
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Between pcs?
<discord-> l​pg. — yes
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Ah okay
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — And yeah, this game has only 4 sats in orbit and it's 159mb
<discord-> D​amien. — @RurouniDonut and debris?
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut that's not very large
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut when you say "my game crashes", do you get a crash report folder? do you get a FATAL file in the glog/Principia directory?
<discord-> e​gg. — please provide detailed information, again, if we don't know that you crash and we don't know why, our assumption is that everything is fine and we will keep making things worse for you
<discord-> l​pg. — "not very large" my jan-1958 save was 14MB, my jan-1960 save is 190MB
<discord-> l​pg. — I'll never complain about realfuels sfs bloat ever again 🙂
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — And the other save I just looked at had a lot more and is smaller file size
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — @Damien Only like one or two I think in the 159 mb one
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — @egg No fatals but a decent amount of erros
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — @egg No fatals but a decent amount of errors (edited)
<discord-> e​gg. — @lpg well yeah, we have the history of all your vessels :D
<discord-> e​gg. — (it's compressed though)
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut the errors are irrelevant
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Nope, no fatals so far
<discord-> e​gg. — any crash folders (those with a date in the name)?
<discord-> l​pg. — I've been neglecting my yearly garbage collection. will be interesting to see what the next one does
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — No, I think some may have been auto deleted somehow?
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I'm noticing I'm getting a lot more crashes with C++ Runtime being mentioned
<discord-> e​gg. — that's interesting, but again, we need more information
<discord-> e​gg. — if you consider crashes to be an ordinary event, we'll give you more of them :D
<discord-> e​gg. — @RurouniDonut how much RAM do you have
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — 16gb of ddr3
<discord-> e​gg. — that's plenty
<discord-> e​gg. — and you're running just the one instance of KSP, not five games or IDEs or other memory-intensive things in the background, right?
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yep
<discord-> e​gg. — okay so then the increase in save size should not be the reason for anything
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — KSP with RP1 still eats ram, it uses like 10-11 gigs ingame but I just feel as if I'm crashing way more then I did before
<discord-> e​gg. — well give us crash dumps if you can find them
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Yep
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — As of now I'm just making a new install rn and see how this turns out
<discord-> e​gg. — anyway, don't downgrade
<discord-> e​gg. — we're often not save-compatible in that direction, so things will likely crash
<discord-> e​gg. — also, if you're on an old version your bug reports are useless
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Alright
<discord-> e​gg. — also you don't get the shiny new features so you can't even give usability feedback on them
<discord-> e​gg. — basically you cease to exist in the eyes of the egg :-p
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — 🙂
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I just wanted to try downgrading to see if it would make a difference or not
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — I use RSSExpansion btw, idk if that could be conflicting at all perhaps
<discord-> e​gg. — logic errors would be deterministic and hard, not sporadic crashes
<discord-> R​urouniDonut. — Gotcha
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<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien are you noticing weird things in flight btw
<discord-> e​gg. — with the camera stuff
<discord-> e​gg. — I'm seeing very wonky behaviour here but maybe I garbled my install
<discord-> D​amien. — not as far as I can tell but I'm on a new RP-1 career so I'm suborbital
<discord-> D​amien. — I did notice some space centre weirdness re: clipping under terrain and water but I figured that was scatterer being dumb
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien please make a test save, get a real rocket, and report
<discord-> e​gg. — the earth is flashing here, which it probably should not be doing
<discord-> e​gg. — blinking earth
<discord-> D​amien. — ok I'll switch to my previous, orbital save once I've done this launch
<discord-> D​amien. — that sounds like scatterer though
<discord-> e​gg. — more than usual though
<discord-> D​amien. — ok, I'll check
<discord-> D​amien. — any particular frame?
<discord-> e​gg. — didn't seem to be affected by that
<discord-> D​amien. — high/low orbit?
<discord-> e​gg. — LEO
<discord-> D​amien. — ok
<discord-> e​gg. — the earth looks like I'm in high orbit though
<discord-> e​gg. — also it's there only every other frame
<discord-> D​amien. — aaaaand ksp crashed while reverting
<discord-> D​amien. — ughg
<discord-> D​amien. — ugh (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — was reverting because testlite engine failure on ascent
<discord-> D​amien. — I'll do it in a sim so it's disabled
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien what kind of crash
<discord-> e​gg. — any logs, any dumps?
<discord-> D​amien. — probably a regular ksp one but sure
<discord-> e​gg. — "regular ksp one" that's a scary phrase
<discord-> e​gg. — I never get those >_>
<discord-> e​gg. — (then again I don't play much)
<discord-> D​amien. — lol, set up a full RO/RP-1 install then 😄
<discord-> e​gg. — yeah, it's definitely on the lightweight side for RO
<discord-> e​gg. — mostly forgottenengines and another one whose name i forget
<discord-> D​amien. — no crash folder unfortunately
<discord-> e​gg. — proctanks
<discord-> D​amien. — and I've restarted to overwriting ksp.log
<discord-> e​gg. — oh and RN probes
<discord-> D​amien. — and I've restarted so overwriting ksp.log (edited)
<discord-> D​amien. — I'll chalk it up to ksp hates me
<discord-> e​gg. — RN has some really nice earth observation satellites
<discord-> D​amien. — yeah it does
<discord-> e​gg. — (thanks @RaiderNick)
<discord-> D​amien. — shame that those sats don't fill the criteria for completing the RP-1 contracts that are inspired by them
<discord-> e​gg. — rofl
<discord-> e​gg. — pretty sure the real sats don't fulfil those criteria either
<discord-> D​amien. — the contracts all require various sat payloads which needs proc SM tanks
<discord-> e​gg. — *grumbles at orbit contracts*
<discord-> D​amien. — sometimes I wonder if ~~playing~~ bashing my head against RP-1 gets in the way of actually enjoying ksp
<discord-> D​amien. — career restart, sounding rocket era attempt #10,569
<discord-> D​amien. — the pre-first orbit grind is real
<discord-> D​amien. — ok, launch attempt #2
<discord-> s​iimav. — Oh don't worry, soon you'll be able to also grind high altitude rocketplane between your SR grind
<discord-> e​gg. — @Damien how do you like the camera roll effect when the reference frame tilts btw
<discord-> e​gg. — @siimav maybe there should be an optimized version of RSS for players who spend their life between rocket planes and sounding rockets, with just the Earth
<discord-> D​amien. — fits perfectly imo
<discord-> e​gg. — maybe a low-res moon
<discord-> s​iimav. — Extra fast warp option for Principia?
<discord-> s​iimav. — Otherwise the optimizations probably won't make any difference
<UmbralRaptop> warp -funsafe
<UmbralRaptop> (switches to forward Euler)
<discord-> D​amien. — @egg no flashing here
<discord-> e​gg. — huh
<discord-> e​gg. — weird
<discord-> e​gg. — anyway, I fixed the flashing on my side
<discord-> e​gg. — also the clouds
<discord-> D​amien. — nice