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<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ Is it technically feasible to correct ship's orbit when warping or ship is not loaded?
<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ if the answer is yes,I wanna create a mod for the Principia.
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ ⟪pinkkitten⟫ if the answer is yes,I wanna create a […] ⮪ thats a huge
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ also, you would need to change principia, not make another mod
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ the physics portion of it all is the easy part, making it all work logically, draining fuel, working out when and how to burn to maintain orbit thats the hard part
<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ I have a simpler implementation scheme on the premise that the technology is feasible.
<queqiao-> ⟨pEdro⟩ doubt that, mind sharing details ?
<queqiao-> but yeah, theoretically you could change principias code to do that
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ Just search for "stationkeeping" in this channel to see that it's impossible and why
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ etc
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ ⟪pinkkitten⟫ if the answer is yes,I wanna create a […] ⮪ If the answer was yes, someone would have already done orbital decay due to atmosphereric particles above 140km for principia
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ even more importantly, persistent thrust to actually have ion engines in game
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ That's even more complicated though, as you have to combine it with actual maneuvers
<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ ⟪Gratak-⟫ If the answer was yes, someone would […] ⮪ sad news
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ ever since installing principia rotation drifts during time warp, is this intended?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ if you spin stabilize the craft it doesn't drift
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ tiny bit of spin stabilization really does wonders
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ also, it drifts relative to what?
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ oh, that did work
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ nice
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ thanks
<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ I went to understand the implementation logic of the game. unfortunately, the answer is No.
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ also, it drifts relative to what? ⮪ pointing solar panels into sun
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ tried kill rotation etc but didn't work anymore
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ kill rotation will not work, you need to point to the sun and rotate (spin stabilize)
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ but even then it will stop pointing to the sun in few months
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ +a
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ principia is incredibly complicated and annoying but i love it
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ realism > convenience
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ patched conics seems really crude now
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ what is inconvenient though?
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ patched conics is more determinstic, you don't need to spin stabilize etc. pp
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ QoL stuff
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ or the mechjeb stuff "do x at next ap" for example
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ patched conics is not more deterministic, on the contrary, it's subject to unpredictable bugs on SOI transition
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ so when you go interplanetary principia is much more convenient than fighting these bugs
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ spin stabilization becomes a habit after some time
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ mechjeb stuff maybe
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ when flight planning sliding the maneuver node forward and backward in time in principia works good enough, but a button "attach to next apoapsis/periapsis/AN/DN/etc" would be nice
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ this could be good, yes
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ or numbering all the markers
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ that will not work, they change all the time
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ like AP1 for the next, AP2 for the following orbit etc
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ really just QoL stuff
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ that will not work, they change all the […] ⮪ i mean just jump the time forward so you can create your maneuver more quickly
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ attach was probably the wrong word
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ i understood it as attach, press some button and the maneuver time is set to next apoapsis/etc
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ time warp to apoapsis buttons already exist on the trajectories
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ i rarely use them though, I use mechjeb warp helper window
<queqiao-> ⟨EMPERORINTERNET⟩ i often fat finger the slider and accidently move the maneuver time into the year 2156 so some means to jump around between important points and then fine tune from there would be really neat
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ you can use the mouse scroll wheel over the numbers in the fields, it's the best way to precisely adjust them
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ but yes, setting the maneuver time to the next marker of some type (Pe, Ap, DN ...) would be a great feature
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ You'd need to fine tune it back anyway though, as you usually want the middle of the maneuver there, not the start
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account⟩ still easier than dialing days and hours in the field
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ True. In theory it could actually put the middle of the maneuver there, if you first specify the maneuver numbers (which you often know anyway: geostat, moon stuff)
<queqiao-> ⟨Gratak-⟩ +even
<queqiao-> ⟨Damien2⟩ ⟪test_account⟫ you can use the mouse scroll wheel over […] ⮪ I've recently started playing ksp again and that feature was a welcome surprise
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<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ ⟪EMPERORINTERNET⟫ patched conics is more determinstic, […] ⮪ Hahahaaha. That's a good joke, you should tell it again
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ There's truth somewhere in there. without principia, a quick hit of sas+timewarp zeroes out all angular velocity and things in space fly straight as a needle
<queqiao-> ⟨pinkkitten⟩ How about building the most advanced launch pad directly?
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<queqiao-> ⟨Marsh⟩ Something I found myself using often as a “feature” ☠️
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ I've used the principia equivalent (hack gravity, warp a sec, unhack) on occasion for lazy tests. but more often than not it works out the other way around, I don't want it to happen for a spin-stab test but it does because I forgot to unhack after hyperediting
<raptop> yes, more stabbing!
<paculino> ...you say right after I find an error in my fstab
<paculino> ...and this isn't the channel I thought it was
<raptop> I will always read it as f-stab and not fs-tab
<queqiao-> ⟨November (she/her)⟩ I was watching a tutorial from someone who pronounced /etc as Etsy, which is actually probably right but still a fun way to do it
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ it'll always be eeteecee to me, but "etch" seems common
<queqiao-> ⟨badgermasher⟩ =
<queqiao-> ⟨sulu244⟩ I just say etcetera lol
<queqiao-> ⟨Δv1㎧⟩ I say eticuh.
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ ⟪sulu244⟫ I just say etcetera lol ⮪ pronounced /et ˈt͡ʃe.te.ra/, of course
<queqiao-> ⟨sulu244⟩ I can't understand the fancy phonetics, but I use et-set-ra and et-set-er-ra interchangeably
<paculino> I pronounce it ets
<queqiao-> ⟨Marsh⟩ The fact people say it as anything other than etcetera is a foreign concept to me… you all are monsters 🤣
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ but how do you pronounce principia
<queqiao-> ⟨Marsh⟩ At some point I’m gonna try and say eeeteecee in a conversation and see if anybody bats an eye or the convo stops dead and everybody stares at me 😈
<queqiao-> ⟨Vlood⟩ ⟪lpg⟫ but how do you pronounce principia ⮪ /nuːdl̩/
<queqiao-> ⟨Marsh⟩ ⟪lpg⟫ but how do you pronounce principia ⮪ _sweating profusely_ …the correct way?
<queqiao-> ⟨Δv1㎧⟩ Prin-kay-pee-ah.
<queqiao-> ⟨November (she/her)⟩ ⟪Marsh⟫ At some point I’m gonna try and say […] ⮪ This is the folder who gets its name from the latin abbreviation, not the latin abbreviation itself. So if you can get that into a conversation, props to you for nerdiness and having Linux friends
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ ^ eeteecee is the folder, the actual "word" I tend to pronounce 'tsetra
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ i've used "etsy f s tab" for probably 30+ years
<paculino> For some reason I thought you were in your thirties.
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ off by a bit
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ well now I'm wondering how old "/etc/fstab" is
<paculino> As old as POSIX?
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ probably older than that
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ POSIX
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ definitely older than posix
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg⟩ kind of disappointed it doesn't appear to be as old as unix itself https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ajserv%2Funix-v1%20fstab&type=code
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ yeah it isn't in version 6:
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ so it is younger than 1975
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ that means i'm older than /etc/fstab
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ so its is in 10th edition but not 7th
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ 8th is the first appearance?
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ so sometime between 1979 and 1985
<queqiao-> ⟨lamont⟩ and it may have originated in BSD instead
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