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<_whitenotifier-e998> [Principia] Helium-ion commented on issue #4038: A crash occurred while entering orbit. - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4038#issuecomment-2227220065
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ How can I "import" a maneuver created manually (or rather using Mechjeb) into Principia Flight Plan window?
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ by typing numbers
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ You don't do that. You won't achieve the expected result. Principia has it's own maneuver planner for a reason
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ It seems that putting the same numbers generated by Mechjeb into Principia's Flight Planner window doesn't end up with the same results. Or I'm doing something wrong.
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ That's what I told you. Totally expected
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ You execute principia's maneuvers with mechjeb, not the other way around
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Thanks.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Another question, is it possible to Pin the Pe of Earth when using a Moon's point of reference?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ +I.e. I'd like to see Earth's Pe when I'm seeing Moon's Pe.
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ No. But you can have different plotting and maneuver frames.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Do you mean to change the point of reference at please to see these markers on the map?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ * map back and forth?
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ For TLI, for example, you'd want earth centered for maneuver, but moon flyby for plotting
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ Depends of what's your goal
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Free return from Earth-Moon
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ So far, I have to change the point of reference to make it which is a bit annoying
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ This one is rather tricky. Some switching back and forth is required
<queqiao-> ⟨kuzinat0r⟩ Especially if you want to achieve the 5k flyby. The moon is too massive and just slowed my ship too much
<queqiao-> ⟨nazfib⟩ Hmm, you need a reference frame that fixes both the Earth and the Moon for this. Does the EML frame show apsides relative to both bodies?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Maybe a feature for Principia is to always show pinned markers even after changing the reference frame.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Does Principia allow for changing a body's satellite orbit? For example, changing the orbit of one of Ceres or one of the minor bodies available. Is this technically possible in Principia?
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ You can definitely edit the starting state of the system in gamedata files
<raptop> ^ Just that. (eg: you can't deorbit Phobos)
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Does that mean that planets are onrails in Principia as well?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ * planets/bodies
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ AFAIK, no, but they are only affected by gravity of other celestials and not of vessels
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ so you cannot make a vessel change the orbit of a celestial by gravity
<queqiao-> ⟨test_account9540⟩ impacts also have no impact on the celestials trajectory
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ They're on rails
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ Just iteratively solved rails
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ Oki thanks everyone.
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ What about RSS-origins (the mod sister of RSS-Reborn) than can add hunreds of different bodies? Is there any way to change their orbit in these cases?
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ For example, an asteroid like in stock KSP.
<queqiao-> ⟨Kirk (He/Him)⟩ No, in the unlikely event your computer does not explode upon installing RSS origins, there is still no way to alter their orbits
<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ That makes sense, thanks.
<raptop> It's all fun and games until 99942 Apophis or 101955 Bennu causes an apocalypse
<raptop> . o O (sneaking 2008 TC3 or 2014 AA into an asteroid pack, and seeing if anyone notices)
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<queqiao-> ⟨kaborl⟩ When Warping to Node it jumps up until 1 minute before reaching, but I wish there was a way to configure how much to stop before right next to that button. Sometimes, 1 minute might not be enough to reach the Node orientation.
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<queqiao-> ⟨clayel⟩ are eclipses still inaccurate past 1960 or so? https://discord.com/channels/319857228905447436/319857228905447436/1262125710001180714
<queqiao-> ⟨sichelgaita⟩ Lunar eclipses are accurate to within 6 minutes in 2050.
<queqiao-> ⟨Damien⟩ literally unplayable
<raptop> If you think that's bad, wait until you see how wrong Principia gets Mercury's orbit!
<queqiao-> ⟨lpg4999⟩ that's when you use KAC instead