<Sigma88>
I felt like I should have done something to deserve my @
<Sigma88>
I have been absent lately
<Sigma88>
:D
<Sigma88>
Thomas^
<Sigma88>
also, 0/
<Sigma88>
!wa 22.27 GMT to CEST
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Sigma88: convert 10:27 pm GMT | 30. March 2017 to Central European Time (Germany) (saving): 12:27:00 am CEST | Friday, March 31, 2017
<Sigma88>
remember that tonight there's the SES 10 launch
<Sigma88>
:D
<Sigma88>
if you are interested
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<Sigma88>
!seen Greg*
<Qboid>
Sigma88: I last saw GregroxMun on [29.03.2017 22:08:14] in #principia saying: "A classical planetary system for the most part."
<TonyC_>
Hello
<Sigma88>
0/
<TonyC_>
could anyone hehe point me to any famous anti-space exploration advocates ? I need some counter-arguments for a pro-space speech i'm writing and I need to quote people
<Sigma88>
you could quote hitler as a pro-space guy
<Sigma88>
that usually works as an argument nowadays
<Sigma88>
the "you are like hitler" argument
<TonyC_>
well, it's part of a paper i have to write as an assignment, so i need to write counter arguments and avoid the "it is said" kind of weasel words
<TonyC_>
and the "you are like hitler" really doesn't sound reasonable enough :P
<Sigma88>
you must live in a very nice place if the most popular opinions are also reasonable
<Sigma88>
:)
<TonyC_>
what do you mean ?
<Sigma88>
that most arguments over topics like GMOs, abortion, animal sperimentation, vaccines..... are usually a debate between reasonable unpolular opinions and unreasonable popular opinions
<Sigma88>
at least in the countries I am familliar with
<Sigma88>
:)
<Sigma88>
and space exploration is one of those topics, even if it is less polarizing than GMOs or vaccines
<TonyC_>
I can have very strong opinions on vaccines :P (as in valiantly pro-vaccine)
<Sigma88>
my point was that the general public tends to be easily manipulated by unreasonable arguments
<Sigma88>
if they are expressed in the right way
<Thomas>
*cough* trump *cough*
<Sigma88>
does your paper against space exploration need to be reasonable?
<Sigma88>
or does it just need to be effective?
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<Sigma88>
I think your best bet would be to argue that we should focus on fixing the problems we created for ourself here on earth before looking at the sky
<TonyC_>
i'm not writing an anti space exploration paper, on the contrary. But i need to quote people having anti space opinions so that i can counter these arguemnts
<Sigma88>
ah
<TonyC_>
and unfortunately i couldn't find these people, only a nebulous opinion flow on the internet
<Sigma88>
didn't they provide you with the arguments to counter?
<Sigma88>
that seems like a weird paper
<TonyC_>
whereas there are many (very good) pro space advocates to quote
<Sigma88>
this is the only thing I could find about Bernie Sanders
<Sigma88>
Bernie isn’t a space guy. His record on funding NASA is less-than-great, given that he’s consistently voted to decrease space exploration funding since the 1990s. In a Reddit AMA last year, Sanders defended his spotty record, reassuring readers that he generally “supports” funding NASA but had to make “very very difficult choices about whether you
<Sigma88>
vote to provide food for hungry kids or health care for people who have none.”
<Sigma88>
I don't think anybody likes to say publicly they are against space exploration
<TonyC_>
Sigma88, it's basically an assignment where i can make a speech on whatever theme i want as long as it's good. Some friends chose transhumanism, some sports, some chose racism, and so on
<TonyC_>
Sigma88, thanks for the quote :)
<Sigma88>
I'd love to read the paper in favor of racism
<TonyC_>
i mean, well written, and i don't think the guy who chose that one went for pro-racism haha
<teabot>
Writtean.
<TonyC_>
teabot, ti
<Sigma88>
but that's exactly what I would want to see
<Sigma88>
someone making a very reasonable argument for something that is universally considered bad
<Sigma88>
and see if that paper would get a bad grade just because it's trying to defend something that now we consider bad
<TonyC_>
I agree. A friend of mine wrote one about the benefits of war for technological advancement
<Sigma88>
or if the teacher grades the paper just based on how good the argument is
<TonyC_>
he's basically the embodiment of technocracy
<Sigma88>
ok so he actually believes what he is arguing about?
<Sigma88>
I meant someone arguing in favor of something they believe is wrong (like racism) just to see if they could make a good paper out of that
<TonyC_>
It's very hard to know. He's an incredibly nice guy but some ideas and jokes he makes makes me wonder if he's serious all along or if he's a joker
<Sigma88>
actually that's probably one of the best exercises you could do
<Sigma88>
trying to argue against your beliefs
<Sigma88>
it helps you find the holes in your beliefs and correct them
<TonyC_>
my teacher said that "one becomes a true rethoric expert when he can effectively defend an idea he's completely against"
<Sigma88>
exactly
<Sigma88>
that's what I thought was going on, I thought you were given the anti-space paper because you like space
<TonyC_>
oh, i'm happy that didn't happen. I'm a terrible writer
<Sigma88>
ah well, there are worst things to be bad at
<Qboid>
Sigma88: I last saw Sigma88 on [30.03.2017 22:19:29] in #kspmodders saying: "biggest problem I have with factorio is the same I have with a lot of games nowadays"
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