UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a Mandelbrot DDOS
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<Technicalfool>
OMG THEY DEVELOPED THEIR OWN LANGUAGE
<Technicalfool>
what's the name of that algorithm again?
<Technicalfool>
V word of some sorts. Dammit. Tip of tongue...
<Iskierka>
all that basically happened was they invented their own shorthand whereby they encoded all common words into all the variations on 3 letters rather than waste data
<Iskierka>
however they still weren't particularly smart as they'd represent a quantity of a thing by repeating it that many times instead of using a number
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<bofh>
what Iskierka said.
<bofh>
honestly the level of "intelligence" here seems barely above alice.tcl
<Iskierka>
and the plug was "pulled" because the goal was AI that used actual language and they went off on a tangent with their own made up bad language. That yes, was a struggle to understand, but because it was stupid, not because it's rampant AI hiding its plotting. We could still figure it out
<bofh>
I'm not sure if shorthand even counts as "its own language" tbh.
<Iskierka>
it's not 100% clear that it was direct shorthand, but that's the easiest analogy for compressing the words down that way
<egg|zzz|egg>
Fiora: so, uh, where does one buy one of those atelier games for use on an emulator?
<regex>
Oh shit egg|zzz|egg, I owe you some stuff.
<Fiora>
egg|zzz|egg: i don't know anything about ripping ps3 games but my presumption is the practical way to go about it would be to download a rip, and if one wishes to have a physical copy, buy that separately :P
<Fiora>
at least if it's anything like wii games (which had the fun exciting feature where the discs had to be ripped backwards)
<Fiora>
but yeah things are still in the fairly early stages, sadly
<Fiora>
i think we're at the development stage of "all the atelier games play now because one of the main devs loves atelier"
<egg|zzz|egg>
hah
<egg|zzz|egg>
afknomz, back later
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<egg>
!wpn Fiora
* Qboid
gives Fiora a graphite cabbage
<egg>
!wpn regex
* Qboid
gives regex a surjective phototransistor
<Fiora>
meow
<Ellied>
hah, remember how I found an SHV to BNC adapter someone had made by force-connecting a BNC barrel with an MHV to SHV?
<Ellied>
I just found another one. Two in as many visits to the same beamline.
<Ellied>
it's no wonder MHV is treated as a safety hazard. The force-joinability with BNC is a huge safety oversight. Kind of like desiging a wall outlet that RJ45 connectors happen to fit into.
<Ellied>
that is, a mains socket
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<bofh>
Ellied: like I recall reading that force-joinability with BNC was a safety hazard on the MHV wikipedia page and thinking that was an utterly ridiculous claim to make, i.e. "NO WAY someone is going to be sufficiently dumb/careless enough to do *THAT*".
<bofh>
apparently human stupidity proves me wrong.
<egg>
ah, right, Fiora is a cat, much like dogs or spiders
* egg
pets Fiora
<Ellied>
there's always a way to rationalize it in the moment
<egg>
I guess an alternative would be to buy one of these devices to play atelier instead of emulating them :-p
<Ellied>
"Oh, we'll just use an SHV on the pass panel to carry a video signal since we're out of BNCs"
<bofh>
well that's actually safe since SHVs generally are rated for lowish voltages.
<bofh>
err.
<bofh>
s/SHVs/video\ signals/
<Qboid>
bofh meant to say: well that's actually safe since video\ signals generally are rated for lowish voltages.
<bofh>
oh right, no need to escape regexes with Qboid
<egg>
bofh: s/\\/
<Qboid>
egg thinks bofh meant to say: egg: so you don't want Чебышёв polynomials technically (those minimize the L^2 norm as @stephentyrone said), you want to use those to initalize something that then computes the coefficients minimizing the L^{infty} norm.
<lamont>
is the earth still spherical? and are there any plans to make it not?
<bofh>
err, wrong window
<egg>
lamont: we have J_2
<egg>
it's in the FAQ
<lamont>
interesting
<egg>
in fact for Jupiter it's vital
<bofh>
egg: my question was mostly "wtf" but I think I figured it out: it ignored my last message b/c the backslash was inside a regex, so it looked back thru my backlog until it found a message with a backslash in it, which it did at L^{\infty}, and that's why it did the substitution on that.
<egg>
lamont: Jupiter's J2 has more influence on the Galilean moons than other Galilean moons :D
<egg>
jupiter is big
<bofh>
egg: damn, even Ganymede?
<lamont>
too many carbs
<egg>
bofh: lemme try to dig up that reference
<egg>
lamont: for Vesta we have J2 from dawn even :D
<lamont>
yeah so the initial PEG code from 197x-early doesn’t correct for J^2 but later PEG code and the Orion/SLS PEG code does, i was wondering if that was actually going to be useful or not
<egg>
lamont: mind you extracting J_2 from principia seems tricky
<egg>
you could get it from the confignode, but then that is only read when creating the system, so conceivably it could change without the system changing
<lamont>
i suspect if i ever get there, i’m only going to be concerned with Earth for the time being
<lamont>
by the time i get to worrying about precision node execution using PEG around jupiter you’ll hopefully have your API more settled, worry about that when we get there...
<egg>
lamont: yeah, and probably that'll get written with principia's libs so that's easy (just take the j2() of the OblateBody)
<egg>
lamont: sometimes we implement something in the C# adapter first and move it to the principia libs, making it more complex in the process, and then we're always surprised that despite doing vastly more it's twice as fast :-p
<egg>
lamont: чебышёв will have an option in the flight planner to track the direction of the Frenet trihedron instead of remaining inertially fixed btw
<egg>
should be nice for the long burns you get in RSS
* egg
Ꙩ_ꙩ at the bromine tweets
<egg>
!wpn whitequark and Fiora
* Qboid
gives whitequark and Fiora an omega 2N2222
<kmath>
YouTube - Mysterious Purple Orb | Nautilus Live
<Fiora>
whitequark: "reacts violently with water to release toxic gas" oh great
<bofh>
Oh awesome.
<bofh>
WAIT BY MAIL-ORDER?!?
<whitequark>
yea
<bofh>
jesus
<whitequark>
on the bright side they do use a hazmat shipper...
<whitequark>
... on the other one the last time they shipped me an ampoule (with rb) they didnt think of anything except putting it into a plastic bottle
<whitequark>
without any cushioning
<whitequark>
guess whether it survived
<bofh>
I recall you getting RbOH soup.
<whitequark>
exactly
<bofh>
Point being I don't trust this hazmat shipper very much.
<whitequark>
well it's THEIR problem if it breaks
<whitequark>
the shipment is properly declared and insured, idgaf what they do to it on their own premises
<egg>
Fiora: yes, bromine and whitequark are great :D
<bofh>
whitequark: and apparently it doesn't break often enough for them to deny getting it insured.
<bofh>
still boggling how hard it is to get sulfuric acid but Chemical Weapons Convention Grade 3 precursors (thionyl chloride)? NO PROBLEM.
<egg>
Ꙩ_ꙩ
<whitequark>
I think it's actually schedule iv now, which is still *less than sulfuric acid*
<egg>
*boggling intensifies as I read the backlog*
<whitequark>
even the vendor which normally doesn't ship scheduled stuff will ship it
<egg>
bofh: between the people of the valley of Uri, the university of the valley of Schwyz, and the communities of peoples in the mountains of the lower valley :-p https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Foedus_pactum
<egg>
the english translation maps universitas to democracy, which is a bit strange, the french one to landsgemeinde, which makes sense
<egg>
(though that's a strange use of universitas, but hey, 13th/14th century swiss latin)
<egg>
bofh: both translations map "hominum Intramontanorum Vallis Inferioris" to the people of the lower valley of Unterwald, but that introduces a nonexistent reference to a modern canton name, and also unless you decompose "Unterwald" you lose the phrasing that it's "those people in forest beyond the valley" :-p
<egg>
s/in f/in the f/
<Qboid>
egg meant to say: bofh: both translations map "hominum Intramontanorum Vallis Inferioris" to the people of the lower valley of Unterwald, but that introduces a nonexistent reference to a modern canton name, and also unless you decompose "Unterwald" you lose the phrasing that it's "those people in the forest beyond the valley" :-p
<egg>
well I guess below the forest
<egg>
the latin text doesn't even talk about the forest though, subsylvania is a posterior term, this is about "Intramontanorum", they're in the mountains
<egg>
bofh: which is extremely nonspecific :-p
<egg>
"By 1600, [...] Obwalden was known as "Unterwalden ob dem Wald", strictly speaking an oxymoron"
<egg>
bofh: the history of Switzerland gets weird ^
<bofh>
Well doesn't Switzerland have like a shitton of it?
<egg>
bofh: yes but a lot of it stays in switzerland, so you typically don't hear about that history; and by virtue of being extremely local it is a bit odd
<kmath>
<stephentyrone> @johnregehr @FioraAeterna @barrelshifter @Gankro I wished for a number of wishes that encodes a proof that I have m… https://t.co/vmCwsZJRpb
<Fiora>
p.s. steve canon is extremely good
<Fiora>
i've had lunch with him, he's good
<egg|zzz|egg>
his cat gives good advice on floating point arithmetic too
<Fiora>
he's also extremely good at floating point.
<Fiora>
so good, in fact, that apple lets him work remote from his home in new england.
<Fiora>
which almost nobody else gets to do.
<egg|zzz|egg>
I think I remember reading that he was on IEEE 754 at some point?
<Fiora>
also i asked him about his libm code for stuff like atan and so on at lunch and he was like "o-oh, that code? i wrote that as an intern in 2007, it sucked"
<Fiora>
that code is like the fastest libm out there, and has like, 0.5001 ulp precision trig functoins
<Fiora>
and he's embarrassed about it
<egg|zzz|egg>
wow nice
<Fiora>
he's obnoxiously good without being good at being obnoxious, which is A+
<lamont>
all the code i wrote 10 years ago is sheer crap