UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn hattivat
* Qboid gives hattivat a Laguerre corvid
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a selenium serpentine
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a plaid transitive denormal with a perturbation attachment
<hattivat> o/ egg|anbo|egg
<hattivat> !wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid gives egg|anbo|egg a neap power supply
<e_14159> soundnfury: It's the same when people refer to the "Saturn V" :P
<egg|anbo|egg> whitequark: Ꙩ_ꙩ which cat? does it do that often?
<whitequark> egg|anbo|egg: котя
<whitequark> well the first time successfully
<whitequark> but yeah she tries to do it a lot when she wants out
<whitequark> it produces utterly hellish sounds
<whitequark> like someone is trying to make a burglary
<egg|anbo|egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg|anbo|egg> now I want cat sound recordings as well as catpics :-p
<soundnfury> e_14159: nah, that's not quite as bad, because that doesn't sound like "Blok В" :P
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn котя
* Qboid gives котя a hexapod thermistor
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied a DDOS
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> a tired, weak, cracked: polycarbonate wired: aircraft-grade aluminum https://t.co/WnH1cc7zEb
<egg|anbo|egg> ow kmath only eggspands a single tweet
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<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn pizzaoverhead
* Qboid gives pizzaoverhead a combustion piston
<pizzaoverhead> !wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid gives egg|anbo|egg an insulating sturgeon
<kmath> <whitequark> @strowger78 @hirojin fiiine https://t.co/sUUsuD4xsW
<soundnfury> !wpn egg|anbo|egg
* Qboid gives egg|anbo|egg a shining lamp
* egg|anbo|egg nomz
<pizzaoverhead> egg|anbo|egg: Spotted this yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/0QpyheB.jpg
<egg|anbo|egg> \o/\o/\o/
<egg|anbo|egg> otter! \o/
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an antimony ⚠ with a Brand New Photoneutronic Engine attachment
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<egg|anbo|egg> whitequark: amusingly, I don't recall ANBOcat ever walking/sitting on keyboards, but evidently it's a thing some of them do (tuco too)
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<whitequark> egg|anbo|egg: for the most part this cat just idgaf about keyboards
<whitequark> but if she craves attention, she will nonchalantly go and sit on your laptop or keyboard.
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<APlayer> Hi!
* APlayer sighs
<APlayer> I keep wondering why scientific papers not only cost money but also so much of it.
<APlayer> I mean, sure, scientists need funding too, but the papers are knowledge. Not like anything that should be kept secret, more like anything that everyone shall be able to know.
<whitequark> APlayer: none of the money you pay for the papers goes to scientists
<whitequark> reviewers aren't paid and the research is funded independently, largely by states
<whitequark> so basically, scientific publishers use their oligopoly to extort money from research institutions and, in the end, from the taxpayer
<whitequark> it's the perfect scam.
<APlayer> Well, then.
<APlayer> A shame, but whatever.
<APlayer> Is there any one place where one can find a decent number of aerospace papers for free?
<whitequark> https://sci-hub.cc
<whitequark> any paper, for free.
<APlayer> Or some sort to exclude paid papers from a Google search?
<APlayer> whitequark is now officially a god. Thanks a million times, man!!
<whitequark> lol
<APlayer> This is literally the single most useful thing for any research I ever found!
<APlayer> (You ever found for me, that is)
<whitequark> well kinda
<APlayer> How does that even work?
<whitequark> the person who runs that website purchases proxies with the university IPs and then downloads and stores any requested paper
<APlayer> So some papers will not be shown anyway?
<whitequark> what do you mean?
<whitequark> if a paper isn't digitized it won't be there, of course, nor if it's in some journal to which most universities in the world don't have access
<APlayer> Well, they could not have purchased a proxy for every place that offers papers?
<whitequark> this happens pretty rarely
<whitequark> I would wager that sci-hub can download >90% of all research that's been digitized and already stores a significant part of that
<APlayer> Humm, okay... And is it legal?
<whitequark> it's currently at 60 million papers
<whitequark> of course not
<whitequark> Elsevier got a $15m injunction against sci-hub recently
<whitequark> this is copyright violation on a scale completely unprecedented in human history
<APlayer> So I'd better not mention this in any research I write myself for school or stuff?
<whitequark> nah, go ahead and mention. nature published a few articles about sci-hub.
<whitequark> I'm sure springer, which publishes nature, was pissed off but editorially independent journal means they don't have a choice other than swallow it
<whitequark> (sci-hub, of course, pirated most springer papers already)
<APlayer> Humm... But why is it illegal, still? The authors of the papers don't lose anything. It's only the publishers that get bypassed?
<whitequark> that's how copyright law works
<APlayer> I mean, copyrights belong to the authors, don't they?
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> it gets assigned to the publisher or something like that
<whitequark> you can transfer copyright, partially or in whole
<APlayer> What a big pile of crap is that...
<whitequark> well, copyright originated as an instrument of censorship and now it mostly ensures that only disney can manufacture mickey mouse merchandise
<whitequark> I'm not joking, nothing produced during our lifetime (or your lifetime) will ever enter public domain because every time mickey mouse gets closer to that disney drops $$$ on american congressmen to extend term limits
<icefire> life + 70 years atm iirc
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> life + 105 years since 1998
<icefire> :/
<APlayer> But why would a researcher write a paper, and not only publish it where people charge fees for reading it, but also transfer the copyrights to the publisher?
<icefire> thats pretty harsh
<icefire> but then again you can just move to china and ignore all copyright
<APlayer> That's not in the spirit of science at all.
<whitequark> because researchers are vain.
<APlayer> I mean, surely there must be a place that has a different policy than that? Hosting papers doesn't seem too resource demanding, I guess a lot of open source volunteer and donation based projects could do this...
<whitequark> publishing in nature makes your dick appear longer^W^W^Wraises your h-index, and, since not only you but other researchers are vain too, gets you closer to interesting projects.
<whitequark> sure.
<whitequark> you can publish on arxiv.org.
<whitequark> for example, basically all high-energy physics is there
<whitequark> a few other fields.
<whitequark> but for another example basically all chemistry is paywalled.
<APlayer> That's the only place where I found more than one paper for free.
<whitequark> no wonder sci-hub has downloaded >98% of JACS already
<icefire> chemistry probably has a lot more immediate practical uses
<icefire> gotta rake in that $$$
<APlayer> What about things like aerospace, which is what this place is all about?
<whitequark> really?
<APlayer> I see no "immediate practical uses" for that
<whitequark> I'm not sure when was the last time someone discussed aerospace, it's usually cats
<APlayer> LOL
<whitequark> but whatever it is you need it's on sci-hub
<APlayer> Well, it's a KSP channel
<icefire> theres a lot of ksp* channels that dont talk about ksp
<APlayer> I hope that covers part of the debts I made here getting infos
<APlayer> :P
<whitequark> jesus christ
<APlayer> Well, then, is there any rather big risk of sci-hub.cc being shut down anytime soon, due to large scale copyright infringement?
<whitequark> i'll drop a hint: russia is a non-extradition country
<APlayer> Say, if I quote anything which may be referenced in a year or two.
<whitequark> uhmmm
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> you're not supposed to give direct links in your papers
<whitequark> quote them using the DOI
<whitequark> links given out by sci-hub are expiring in ~days anyway
<whitequark> s/quote/cite/
<Qboid> whitequark meant to say: cite them using the DOI
<APlayer> Ah
<APlayer> Well, makes sense. (Had to look up what DOI is). See, I am not really a researcher, but frequently have to research school stuff. And usually they just need a link.
<APlayer> But quoting via DOI seems more solid and decent.
<whitequark> redirects to the paywalled article
<whitequark> but you could also just put the DOI into sci-hub
<APlayer> Well, thanks a lot for this again. Added that to my bookmark collection. :D
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<egg|anbo|egg> <whitequark> I'm not sure when was the last time someone discussed aerospace, it's usually cats :D :D :D
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: Pap left a message for you in #RO [01.07.2017 14:31:58]: "Can you tell Sisyphus192 where you found gravitational parameters to 7 decimal places?"
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|anbo|egg> !tell UmbralRaptor I feel like we should contribute to this thread https://twitter.com/hirojin/status/881137870039392258
<kmath> <hirojin> @strowger78 @0x47DF @whitequark here are cinnamon bun and loki https://t.co/EtCGZDb7Hf
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a zircon rhenium feather
* egg|anbo|egg is being annoyed by flies
<egg|anbo|egg> there's another cat staring at ANBOcat
<bofh> whitequark: can't you just do http://dx.doi.org.sci-hub.cc/DOI ? :P
<bofh> oh, I can't read
<bofh> sorry
<bofh> 16:41 <@whitequark> but for another example basically all chemistry is paywalled.
<bofh> it's fucking infuriating, prior to sci-hub if you didn't have any means of getting an ACS subscription you basically couldn't do chemistry.
<Frogging101> thanks chemistry cartel
<bofh> and like, b/c of the stratification/monopoly this means that everything is ACS, and because ACS is a mafia this means shit from the fucking 1950s is paywalled at the low, low price of $29.95/article .
<bofh> s/\ \././
<Qboid> bofh meant to say: and like, b/c of the stratification/monopoly this means that everything is ACS, and because ACS is a mafia this means shit from the fucking 1950s is paywalled at the low, low price of $29.95/article.
<Frogging101> O.o
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a field extension
<egg|anbo|egg> IRAM?
<egg|anbo|egg> !acr -add:IRAM Institut de RadioAstronomie Millimétrique
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|anbo|egg> !acr -add:ORION-B Outstanding Radio Imaging of OrioN B
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a revolving monad
<egg|anbo|egg> z
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<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a Jeans truffle
<Majiir> notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a dubious formalism
<Majiir> notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a hexapod hyperboloid
<Majiir> notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a Lambert caffeinated dimetrodon
<Majiir> notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg> hmm I'm pretty sure you can hurt someone with a dimetrodon
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Majiir
* Qboid gives Majiir a ferroelectric proof-like polynomial
<Majiir> I can hurt someone with lots of things that wouldn't be considered primarily weapons
<Majiir> A polynomial is definitely not a weapon, even if it's ferroelectric
<Majiir> These aren't even good improvised weapons
<Majiir> !wpn
* Qboid gives Majiir an orthogonal 古在 hydra
<Majiir> This is just junk
<egg|anbo|egg> well it could perturb your foe
<egg|anbo|egg> [古在 mechanism pun]
<Majiir> !wpn
* Qboid gives Majiir a potassium denormal
<Majiir> My foe is simply laughing at me
<Majiir> or getting dizzy with all the math talk
<egg|anbo|egg> see that's when you hit them with the dimetrodon
<Majiir> The dimetrodon is not something I can control
<Majiir> and it's caffeinated!
<Majiir> !wpn
* Qboid gives Majiir a rhodium salmiak
<Majiir> Oh good
<Majiir> Metal licorice
<Majiir> Licorice salted with rhodium chloride
<egg|anbo|egg> Majiir: harmful if swallowed, so might work? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodium(III)_chloride
<Majiir> !wpn
* Qboid gives Majiir a Soviet nonagon
<Majiir> A Soviet nonagon, that'll go great with my KGB LEDs
<Majiir> !wpn
* Qboid gives Majiir a boaty ghost
<Majiir> I give up
<Majiir> egg|anbo|egg, how do I fly
<Majiir> I do not want to pay for business or first
<Majiir> but when I look up articles on how to fly economy comfortably, the number one item in the list is always "Upgrade"
<bofh> "The Vice President will serve as the council’s chair.  Several representatives of my administration will join him including the Secretaries of State, Defense, Commerce, Transportation, and Homeland Security; the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Security Advisor, NASA, and the Director of National Intelligence."
<egg|anbo|egg> Majiir: with ladders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THq8Gip-Us
<kmath> YouTube - To the Mun and back without engines or fuel (working Kraken drive)
<bofh> why is that literally almost all military
<egg|anbo|egg> uh
<kmath> <eggleroy> Bug #1415: Kerbals holding ladders are immune to gravity, the ladder itself imbues them with weight. KSP is strange. https://t.co/AD3ma7om4s
<Qboid> [#1415] title: Vessel relative velocities change when switching to EVA | Park 2 vessels close to each other with as less relative speed as possible. Perform EVA from anyone of the vessels. The other vessel starts moving away with relative speed of about 2-3 m/s (as reported by the target frame navball.) Attaching a save file where this can be immediately verified.... | https://github.com/moc
<Qboid> kingbirdnest/principia/issues/1415
<Majiir> Sadly, that does not help me with my earthly travel
<hattivat> Majiir: my advice is, hurry up, it's getting worse and worse as years pass http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/colombia/article157659779.html
<hattivat> if you're flying Europe to Asia, I recommend Arab airlines, like Qatar or Emirates
<hattivat> if you're flying within NA, I have no idea; if you're flying within Europe, may Cthulhu have mercy on your soul
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