UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<whitequark>
egg|anbo|egg: for the most part this cat just idgaf about keyboards
<whitequark>
but if she craves attention, she will nonchalantly go and sit on your laptop or keyboard.
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<APlayer>
Hi!
* APlayer
sighs
<APlayer>
I keep wondering why scientific papers not only cost money but also so much of it.
<APlayer>
I mean, sure, scientists need funding too, but the papers are knowledge. Not like anything that should be kept secret, more like anything that everyone shall be able to know.
<whitequark>
APlayer: none of the money you pay for the papers goes to scientists
<whitequark>
reviewers aren't paid and the research is funded independently, largely by states
<whitequark>
so basically, scientific publishers use their oligopoly to extort money from research institutions and, in the end, from the taxpayer
<whitequark>
it's the perfect scam.
<APlayer>
Well, then.
<APlayer>
A shame, but whatever.
<APlayer>
Is there any one place where one can find a decent number of aerospace papers for free?
<APlayer>
Or some sort to exclude paid papers from a Google search?
<APlayer>
whitequark is now officially a god. Thanks a million times, man!!
<whitequark>
lol
<APlayer>
This is literally the single most useful thing for any research I ever found!
<APlayer>
(You ever found for me, that is)
<whitequark>
well kinda
<APlayer>
How does that even work?
<whitequark>
the person who runs that website purchases proxies with the university IPs and then downloads and stores any requested paper
<APlayer>
So some papers will not be shown anyway?
<whitequark>
what do you mean?
<whitequark>
if a paper isn't digitized it won't be there, of course, nor if it's in some journal to which most universities in the world don't have access
<APlayer>
Well, they could not have purchased a proxy for every place that offers papers?
<whitequark>
this happens pretty rarely
<whitequark>
I would wager that sci-hub can download >90% of all research that's been digitized and already stores a significant part of that
<APlayer>
Humm, okay... And is it legal?
<whitequark>
it's currently at 60 million papers
<whitequark>
of course not
<whitequark>
Elsevier got a $15m injunction against sci-hub recently
<whitequark>
this is copyright violation on a scale completely unprecedented in human history
<APlayer>
So I'd better not mention this in any research I write myself for school or stuff?
<whitequark>
nah, go ahead and mention. nature published a few articles about sci-hub.
<whitequark>
I'm sure springer, which publishes nature, was pissed off but editorially independent journal means they don't have a choice other than swallow it
<whitequark>
(sci-hub, of course, pirated most springer papers already)
<APlayer>
Humm... But why is it illegal, still? The authors of the papers don't lose anything. It's only the publishers that get bypassed?
<whitequark>
that's how copyright law works
<APlayer>
I mean, copyrights belong to the authors, don't they?
<whitequark>
no
<whitequark>
it gets assigned to the publisher or something like that
<whitequark>
you can transfer copyright, partially or in whole
<APlayer>
What a big pile of crap is that...
<whitequark>
well, copyright originated as an instrument of censorship and now it mostly ensures that only disney can manufacture mickey mouse merchandise
<whitequark>
I'm not joking, nothing produced during our lifetime (or your lifetime) will ever enter public domain because every time mickey mouse gets closer to that disney drops $$$ on american congressmen to extend term limits
<icefire>
life + 70 years atm iirc
<whitequark>
no
<whitequark>
life + 105 years since 1998
<icefire>
:/
<APlayer>
But why would a researcher write a paper, and not only publish it where people charge fees for reading it, but also transfer the copyrights to the publisher?
<icefire>
thats pretty harsh
<icefire>
but then again you can just move to china and ignore all copyright
<APlayer>
That's not in the spirit of science at all.
<whitequark>
because researchers are vain.
<APlayer>
I mean, surely there must be a place that has a different policy than that? Hosting papers doesn't seem too resource demanding, I guess a lot of open source volunteer and donation based projects could do this...
<whitequark>
publishing in nature makes your dick appear longer^W^W^Wraises your h-index, and, since not only you but other researchers are vain too, gets you closer to interesting projects.
<whitequark>
sure.
<whitequark>
you can publish on arxiv.org.
<whitequark>
for example, basically all high-energy physics is there
<whitequark>
a few other fields.
<whitequark>
but for another example basically all chemistry is paywalled.
<APlayer>
That's the only place where I found more than one paper for free.
<whitequark>
no wonder sci-hub has downloaded >98% of JACS already
<icefire>
chemistry probably has a lot more immediate practical uses
<icefire>
gotta rake in that $$$
<APlayer>
What about things like aerospace, which is what this place is all about?
<whitequark>
really?
<APlayer>
I see no "immediate practical uses" for that
<whitequark>
I'm not sure when was the last time someone discussed aerospace, it's usually cats
<APlayer>
LOL
<whitequark>
but whatever it is you need it's on sci-hub
<APlayer>
Well, it's a KSP channel
<icefire>
theres a lot of ksp* channels that dont talk about ksp
<APlayer>
I hope that covers part of the debts I made here getting infos
<APlayer>
:P
<whitequark>
jesus christ
<APlayer>
Well, then, is there any rather big risk of sci-hub.cc being shut down anytime soon, due to large scale copyright infringement?
<whitequark>
i'll drop a hint: russia is a non-extradition country
<APlayer>
Say, if I quote anything which may be referenced in a year or two.
<whitequark>
uhmmm
<whitequark>
no
<whitequark>
you're not supposed to give direct links in your papers
<whitequark>
quote them using the DOI
<whitequark>
links given out by sci-hub are expiring in ~days anyway
<whitequark>
s/quote/cite/
<Qboid>
whitequark meant to say: cite them using the DOI
<APlayer>
Ah
<APlayer>
Well, makes sense. (Had to look up what DOI is). See, I am not really a researcher, but frequently have to research school stuff. And usually they just need a link.
<APlayer>
But quoting via DOI seems more solid and decent.
<whitequark>
redirects to the paywalled article
<whitequark>
but you could also just put the DOI into sci-hub
<APlayer>
Well, thanks a lot for this again. Added that to my bookmark collection. :D
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<egg|anbo|egg>
<whitequark> I'm not sure when was the last time someone discussed aerospace, it's usually cats :D :D :D
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg: Pap left a message for you in #RO [01.07.2017 14:31:58]: "Can you tell Sisyphus192 where you found gravitational parameters to 7 decimal places?"
<bofh>
16:41 <@whitequark> but for another example basically all chemistry is paywalled.
<bofh>
it's fucking infuriating, prior to sci-hub if you didn't have any means of getting an ACS subscription you basically couldn't do chemistry.
<Frogging101>
thanks chemistry cartel
<bofh>
and like, b/c of the stratification/monopoly this means that everything is ACS, and because ACS is a mafia this means shit from the fucking 1950s is paywalled at the low, low price of $29.95/article .
<bofh>
s/\ \././
<Qboid>
bofh meant to say: and like, b/c of the stratification/monopoly this means that everything is ACS, and because ACS is a mafia this means shit from the fucking 1950s is paywalled at the low, low price of $29.95/article.
<Frogging101>
O.o
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a field extension
<egg|anbo|egg>
IRAM?
<egg|anbo|egg>
!acr -add:IRAM Institut de RadioAstronomie Millimétrique
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|anbo|egg>
!acr -add:ORION-B Outstanding Radio Imaging of OrioN B
<Qboid>
egg|anbo|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a revolving monad
<egg|anbo|egg>
z
Snoozee is now known as Majiir
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Majiir
* Qboid
gives Majiir a Jeans truffle
<Majiir>
notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Majiir
* Qboid
gives Majiir a dubious formalism
<Majiir>
notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Majiir
* Qboid
gives Majiir a hexapod hyperboloid
<Majiir>
notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Majiir
* Qboid
gives Majiir a Lambert caffeinated dimetrodon
<Majiir>
notawpn
<egg|anbo|egg>
hmm I'm pretty sure you can hurt someone with a dimetrodon
<egg|anbo|egg>
!wpn Majiir
* Qboid
gives Majiir a ferroelectric proof-like polynomial
<Majiir>
I can hurt someone with lots of things that wouldn't be considered primarily weapons
<Majiir>
A polynomial is definitely not a weapon, even if it's ferroelectric
<Majiir>
These aren't even good improvised weapons
<Majiir>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Majiir an orthogonal 古在 hydra
<Majiir>
This is just junk
<egg|anbo|egg>
well it could perturb your foe
<egg|anbo|egg>
[古在 mechanism pun]
<Majiir>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives Majiir a potassium denormal
<Majiir>
My foe is simply laughing at me
<Majiir>
or getting dizzy with all the math talk
<egg|anbo|egg>
see that's when you hit them with the dimetrodon
<Majiir>
The dimetrodon is not something I can control
<bofh>
"The Vice President will serve as the council’s chair. Several representatives of my administration will join him including the Secretaries of State, Defense, Commerce, Transportation, and Homeland Security; the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the National Security Advisor, NASA, and the Director of National Intelligence."
<kmath>
<eggleroy> Bug #1415: Kerbals holding ladders are immune to gravity, the ladder itself imbues them with weight. KSP is strange. https://t.co/AD3ma7om4s
<Qboid>
[#1415] title: Vessel relative velocities change when switching to EVA | Park 2 vessels close to each other with as less relative speed as possible. Perform EVA from anyone of the vessels. The other vessel starts moving away with relative speed of about 2-3 m/s (as reported by the target frame navball.) Attaching a save file where this can be immediately verified.... | https://github.com/moc
<Qboid>
kingbirdnest/principia/issues/1415
<Majiir>
Sadly, that does not help me with my earthly travel