UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: Kitty! \o/
<kmath> <STFC_Matters> Meet Science Kitty! She’s part of campaign to build the International Linear Collider in Japan #internationalcatday… https://t.co/TwfpVxC262
<kmath> <OSIRISREx> Happy #InternationalCatDay! #MyOSIRISREx Meets Rocket: a story in three acts. https://t.co/SofwctJrOq
<bofh> Nice.
<kmath> <m_blocksberg> #InternationalCatDay https://t.co/6nQG2cfI98
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<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: what happened to your twitter account?
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a zeta ㎭
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a fried muffin
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: cats!
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a solid inexplicable popup that didn't used to be there and doesn't do what it used to which vaguely resembles a prepromorphism
<Iskierka> that's quite the wpn
<bofh> indeed, wow.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a death proton
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a 50Ω jellyfish
<egg|zzz|egg> that's a bit of an unconventional resistor
<UmbralRaptor> Ellied got tired of people messing with her circuits. Hence the nematocytes.
<Ellied> nematocysts, no?
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<UmbralRaptor> er, yes. nematocysts
<kmath> <phalpern> Feynman's little-known work on flexagons, a unique type of mathematical paper-folding popularized by Martin Gardner… https://t.co/IBapFI3Gr3
<bofh_> Y-909 is the best Roland Drum Machine
<bofh_> very metal
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh_: I know about the vi hart videos, they're in the references
<kmath> <ObservatoryCats> Send me your cat pix for #InternationalCatDay https://t.co/sIAzmv3SeN
<bofh_> https://mobile.twitter.com/diodebot/status/895087733575634947 oh, about time someone combined a thermocouple and a diode
<kmath> <diodebot> thermosensitive diode
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<bofh> fine :P
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<egg> !wpn bofh, Fiora, UmbralRaptor, et al.
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<egg|zzz|egg> why am I not asleep
<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: did you end up putting clappers in your bells?
<Fiora> Yes
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> シャリー シャリー シャリー 〜 https://t.co/vC0ahgokyi
<Fiora> or, more precisely, marie did
<egg|zzz|egg> they do really sound like cow bells :D
<UmbralRaptor> [in which egg|zzz|egg cosplays a frictionless sphere in a vacuum]
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: a spherical cow?
<UmbralRaptor> Obviously.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: but then people would cut me in five parts and get two cows
<UmbralRaptor> >_>
<egg|zzz|egg> well, if we take a cow to be a function from the 2-sphere to {0,1} (it has spots), the resulting cows will be different from the original
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Pap left a message for you in #RO [09.08.2017 03:01:53]: "Here are the RSS Textures you need: https://github.com/pap1723/ScaledRSS-Textures/releases/tag/1.3"
<egg|zzz|egg> fuzzier in a sense
<UmbralRaptor> hairy ball theorem?
<egg|zzz|egg> hah, no, just that the spots on the resulting cow are going to be non-measurable (assuming the starting cow had measurable spots)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: cows and measure theory!
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: λ(?) = ???
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: λ(?) = moo
<UmbralRaptor> !u ?
<Qboid> U+1F42E COW FACE (?)
* UmbralRaptor is getting a monochrome glyph instead of the full emoji presentation on irssi.
<bofh> <shrug> same, deliberately
<bofh> fuck coloured glyphs imo
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: I wouldn't be against coloured glyphs for hieroglyphs
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: but emoji presention is more than being coloured
<UmbralRaptor> Yeah, I'm not sure this can be easily configured for emoji presentation.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: missing VS-16?
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: probably more of irssi and available fonts.
<egg|zzz|egg> ah
<UmbralRaptor> Like, thematically, irssi can justify ignoring VS-16.
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: so I'm fine with the rest of emoji presentation, just make it be gray8
<egg|zzz|egg> why is it 05:22
<UmbralRaptor> In a way that a GUI client cannot.
<bofh> and not rgb24
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: It's only 03:22 if you use the One True Timezone!
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: in TT it's probably not 22
<UmbralRaptor> heh
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<Fiora> egg|zzz|egg: it makes sense, they are shaped like cow bells!
<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: tbh cow bells come in many shapes http://cutflat.net/photos/cowbells.jpg
<Fiora> wow
<egg|zzz|egg> also it is now 6, I should sleep
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<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: meh
<bofh> 6am is still early :P
<Qboid> 2d 0h 0m 0s left to event #0: H-2A • Michibiki 3 [at 2017-08-11 07:00:00]. Say '!koundown 0' for details
<kmath> <kevinschawinski> Tiny urban velociraptor https://t.co/ckUayeqd0d
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a scandium router
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a protracted bolo
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: flying velociraptors!
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: ... microraptors?
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a symbolic ㎭-like thagomizer
<UmbralRaptor> Qboid is oddly on-topic.
<UmbralRaptor> Incidentially, apparently corvids are about as smart as apes?
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark's cats
* Qboid gives whitequark's cats a really big embedding
<egg|work|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka a hypergolic zero
<egg|work|egg> snek!
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* UmbralRaptor sorta wants the coffee image as a poster. >_>
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: ?
<bofh> !wpn egg and UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor> bofh: 10:54:02 <@Iskierka> https://i.imgur.com/gKtX8y6.jpg
<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an invalid tetrode
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a Bernoulli clopen lobster
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<bofh> dangit not *another* invalid tetrode! I already got a bunch of those
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: that's amazing
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<egg|phone|egg> !Wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a dye field
<egg|phone|egg> !kd next
<Qboid> egg|phone|egg: ID: 0 | Name: H-2A • Michibiki 3 | Time: 2017-08-11 07:00:00 | Unixtime: 1502434800 | Left: 1d 14h 37m 24s
<Qboid> egg|phone|egg: Description: A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F35, will launch the Michibiki 3 navigation spacecraft, the third member of Japan’s Quasi-Zenith Satellite System.
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<kmath> <scanlime> Cloud and Tuco https://t.co/naLsLHVM8t
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a Maxwell-Boltzmann triode
<egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a nominal laser
<UmbralRaptor> PLD!
<bofh> goddamnit why couldn't I have a Maxwell-Boltzmann tetrode? :P
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg an indium point
<bofh> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a gun
<bofh> ...oddly simple
<egg> wait what? an actual weapon?!
<egg> I'm confused by the KD time
<egg> the time left seems to indicate that the time is given in UTC, but it's 2 hours after 5, which is the UTC I gave it
<bofh> Huh. That's interesting. And confusing. Maybe local?
<egg> Thomas: I think KD interprets input as local time even if they say "Z"
<egg> (probably Qboid's local time, which is also mine)
<Thomas> Qboid treats all times as UTC
<egg> Thomas: see kd next: I input that as 05:00Z
<kmath> <miliondollameat> ʸᵉᵃʰ ᶜᵃᶰ ᴵ ᵍᵉᵗ ᵘʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰʰ b o n e l e s s cat https://t.co/NcQNs25FTa
<Thomas> Hmm, that's weird
<egg> !kd 2
<Qboid> egg: ID: 2 | Name: Atlas 5 • TDRS M | Time: 2017-08-18 14:04:00 | Unixtime: 1503065040 | Left: 8d 20h 19m 31s
<Qboid> egg: Description: A United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket, designated AV-074, will launch the TDRS M communications and data relay satellite for NASA.
<egg> !kd 1
<Qboid> egg: ID: 1 | Name: Falcon 9 • SpaceX CRS 12 | Time: 2017-08-13 18:57:00 | Unixtime: 1502650620 | Left: 4d 1h 12m 8s
<Qboid> egg: Description: A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the 14th Dragon spacecraft on the 12th operational cargo delivery mission to the International Space Station.
<egg> Thomas: they're all off by two hours
<egg> well the falcon got delayed
<egg> ah actually the H-2A got delayed too :D
<bofh> !kd 3
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<egg> !help kd
<Qboid> kd: Prints out the details for Kountdown Events
<Qboid> parameters: -add (Add Kountdown event. Syntax: !kountdown -add name|description|time.), -list (List pending Kountdown Events or subscribers), -remove (Delete Kountdown by id.), -edit (Edits a Kountdown by id.), -subscribe (Subscribe yourself or a channel to Kountdown.), -unsubscribe (Unsubscribes yourself or a channel from the Kountdown.)
<Qboid> example: !kountdown 1
<egg> !kd -edit:1
<Qboid> egg: Updated event #1: Falcon 9 • SpaceX CRS 12 - A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch the 14th Dragon spacecraft on the 12th operational cargo delivery mission to the International Space Station. - 2017-08-13 18:57:00
<egg> !kd -edit:0 time: 2017-08-12T08:00:00Z
<Qboid> egg: Updated event #0: H-2A • Michibiki 3 - A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F35, will launch the Michibiki 3 navigation spacecraft, the third member of Japan’s Quasi-Zenith Satellite System. - 2017-08-11 07:00:00
<egg> Thomas: how do I update the time
<egg> uh also that's not 08 that's 05
<bofh> egg: http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/launch-schedule/ so actually there's a launch before the TDRS M
<bofh> (NROL-42 from Vandenberg AFB)
<egg> bofh: add it!
<Thomas> egg: !kountdown -edit:<id> <name|description|time> <value> but you should wait a moment because I am deploying an utc fix
<bofh> problem is that I'd need to move id 2 to id 3
<Thomas> Why?
<bofh> to add it as id 2
<bofh> unless launch timings do not need to map to ids in monotonically increasing temporal order
<bofh> in which case sure
<Thomas> The id doesnt matter, just the date. 3 can happen before 2
<Thomas> !kd -edit:0 time 2017-08-12T08:00:00Z
<Qboid> Thomas: Updated event #0: H-2A • Michibiki 3 - A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F35, will launch the Michibiki 3 navigation spacecraft, the third member of Japan’s Quasi-Zenith Satellite System. - 2017-08-12 08:00:00
<Thomas> egg: ^
<egg> !kd -edit:0 time 2017-08-12T05:00:00Z
<Qboid> egg: Updated event #0: H-2A • Michibiki 3 - A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F35, will launch the Michibiki 3 navigation spacecraft, the third member of Japan’s Quasi-Zenith Satellite System. - 2017-08-12 05:00:00
<egg> !kd next
<Qboid> egg: ID: 0 | Name: H-2A • Michibiki 3 | Time: 2017-08-12 05:00:00 | Unixtime: 1502514000 | Left: 2d 11h 7m 13s
<Qboid> egg: Description: A Japanese H-2A rocket, designated H-2A F35, will launch the Michibiki 3 navigation spacecraft, the third member of Japan’s Quasi-Zenith Satellite System.
<egg> Thomas: yay it works (and the time isn't borked which is good)
<bofh> !kd add NROL-42|NROL-42 is a classified spacecraft payload for the National Reconnaissance Office launching via an Atlas V 541|2017-08-14T07:01:00Z
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<bofh> !kd add 3 NROL-42|NROL-42 is a classified spacecraft payload for the National Reconnaissance Office launching via an Atlas V 541|2017-08-14T07:01:00Z
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<bofh> !kd -add:3 NROL-42|NROL-42 is a classified spacecraft payload for the National Reconnaissance Office launching via an Atlas V 541|2017-08-14T07:01:00Z
<Qboid> bofh: You don't have the permission to use this command! Only ADMIN can use this command! You are OPERATOR.
<bofh> grr
<egg> THOMAS you should make BOFH an ADMIN or make it available to OPERATORs
<bofh> Agreed.
<egg> bofh: s/grr/GRR/
<Qboid> egg thinks bofh meant to say: GRR
<bofh> Indeed.
* Thomas suddenly notices he never made an admin command for qboid
<Thomas> !wpn
* Qboid gives Thomas a chi timer
<Thomas> Should work now
<egg> bofh: try again?
<bofh> !kd -add:3 NROL-42|NROL-42 is a classified spacecraft payload for the National Reconnaissance Office launching via an Atlas V 541|2017-08-14T07:01:00Z
<Qboid> bofh: Added event #3
<egg> whitequark: any котя cognition news?
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<kmath> <FioraAeterna> an interesting article for ya'll math folks: diffyq solvers can lie when you try to look for solutions where there… https://t.co/fxX8rKRuMB
<Fiora> ?
<egg> Fiora: so tbh that's a fairly obvious thing: if you use fixed step on an ODE whose solution has a singularity (or just something stiff) you better know why you picked that step size; alternatively, adaptive step size is your friend
<Fiora> what'sthe \o/
<Fiora> for
<egg> Fiora: being happy at hearing about numerical integration of ODEs? :-p
<Fiora> ohh!
<egg> Fiora: this reduce-step-size-makes-it-eggsplode thing means that adaptive stepsize will catch it instantly
<Fiora> aha
<egg> (it will try reducing the stepsize to 0)
<egg> (at which point if you wrote your integrator correctly you catch that, otherwise you have an infinite loop :-p)
<Fiora> there was actually a great thread on twitter the other day where @liasae was having graphical glitches with her lighting code on some platforms
<Fiora> turns out the issue was quite numerical
<egg> (ok to be fair I actually got two semesters of numerics at ETHZ, so I do have formal training in that stuff)
<Fiora> see, that particular lighting function had an exponent of 220 for specular
<Fiora> x^220
<egg> Fiora: was that the thing with the goosey tolerances?
<egg> I saw that thread, it was good
<Fiora> yeah I think so
<egg> Fiora: also that stepsize control code I linked to is that goto: https://mastodon.social/@whitequark/1441550 :-p
<Fiora> nice
<Fiora> also i have to emphasize that it's important that the correect spelling is diffyq
<egg> Fiora: I had never heard those equations referred to anything but "differential equations" unabbreviated or "ODEs" resp. "PDEs", so I didn't know about the alternative spelling of diffyq :-p
<SnoopSiTh> never seen that spelling but it's cute
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<SnoopJeDi> So the several-month-long opera of "why the crap doesn't my simulation agree with the DIY Runge-Kutta tracker my supervisor wrote" is finally over
<egg> (well okay I've heard them called Differentialgleichungen and gewöhnliche Differentialgleichung bzw. partielle Differentialgleichung but that's slightly different)
<SnoopJeDi> The answer: he (unintentionally?) lied to me when he said the inputs he gave me were the same inputs he actually used
<SnoopJeDi> The difference in the RF cavity is only at the ~1% level but that's more than enough to change the stable point of the longitudinal dynamics :(
<Fiora> i've heard "diff eq"
<SnoopJeDi> yea diff E.Q. is very common in American English
<Fiora> ahhh
<egg> Fiora: yeah, I generally have not at all been exposed to american idioms in math
<egg> same with my question to bofh the other day about why people call finite fields "Galois"
<Fiora> didn't know it was an american abbreviation
<Fiora> wait. "in math"
<SnoopJeDi> :O
<Fiora> isn't "math" an american idiom???
<Fiora> as opposed to maths
<Fiora> or is maths the britishism
<egg> Fiora: hm, good point
<SnoopJeDi> maths predates by a lot AFAIK
<egg> Fiora: in french it'd definitely be maths with an s
<egg> I have picked up an americanism D:
<SnoopJeDi> dunno if "diff eq" is idiomatically American or if it's that way in the UK/etc. too
<egg> Fiora: note that "maths" in french would be pronounced [mat] of course, because we like having letters that we don't pronounce. But it still has an s :D
<SnoopJeDi> I am in hindsight quite glad my German ODEs prof made a big stink about pronouncing Euler as "yoo-ler"
<Fiora> i thought it was pronounced 'oiler'
<egg> Fiora: it is
<SnoopJeDi> I believe that's the proper Swiss pronunciation
<Fiora> oic what you mean
<SnoopJeDi> but it made me aware of the broad trend of "anglophone or gtfo"
<egg> (the french say uh-lair because we're shit at pronouncing foreign languages)
<SnoopJeDi> "your, uh, your name is really annoying. we're gonna call you Snellius. Actually, forget that. We'll call you Snell."
<Fiora> ring ring ring ring ring ring ring, an anglophone
<egg> ?
<SnoopJeDi> also c.f. Poincaré, Planck, Schrödinger, Legendre, ...
<egg> ... do I want to know how you pronounce those names
<SnoopJeDi> no
<SnoopJeDi> I mean, not typical American pronunciations
<egg> let alone Lebesgue
<Fiora> schurdinger, right?
<SnoopJeDi> I make an effort to say things properly
<SnoopJeDi> because it's literally the most basic level of intercultural respect :|
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<SnoopJeDi> actually egg you might be able to answer a question I've had since The Imitation Game came out
<SnoopJeDi> is "yooler" a common pronunciation in the UK?
<SnoopJeDi> do you know if*
<egg> I don't know, ask Iskierka?
<Fiora> yooler is how people who haven't heard it prnounced correctly pronounce it by reflex
<Fiora> i.e. it's the "obvious reading"
<SnoopJeDi> it was one of several things that greatly aggravated me about the film but it occurred to me that perhaps it's common there too
<SnoopJeDi> and even if it's not historical it's...by far not the most egregious re-writing of history that movie undertook
<egg> (tbh in french we pronounce Gauss as you would [gos], because au is an [o] in french)
<SnoopJeDi> huh, I always thought that one was a hyperforeignism
<egg> I spent a bus trip talking to another student at ETHZ about something that was related to a result of Gauss, and at the end he asked me who the hell that was
<SnoopJeDi> welp, another minor indiscretion :(
<egg> (a french speaking Swiss student)
<egg> (so who speaks french, hence why I was saying [gos], but pronounces Gauss correctly)
<SnoopJeDi> OH, I see what you're saying
<egg> Fiora: SnoopJeDi: and FYI, Lebesgue is [ləbɛɡ], please ignore most of those letters :-p
<SnoopJeDi> I thought you were saying [gos] is correct and now I'm not really sure why I thought that. Exhaustion is catching up with me maybe
<SnoopJeDi> egg, "Français: please ignore most of those letters"
<SnoopJeDi> (not that I have any right to throw stones, speaking only a bastard tongue)
<egg> extra letters, but still not enough to derive the pronunciation from the spelling :-p
<egg> "les poules du couvent couvent"
<egg> [lɛ pul dy kuvɑ̃ kuv]
<egg> SnoopJeDi: is there such a thing as a non-bastard tongue (or do you mean that we have William the Bastard to thank for the amount of French in English)
<SnoopJeDi> I'm poking fun at English, but your point is well motivated
<SnoopJeDi> (*clearly* conlangs are the solution!)
<UmbralRaptor> egg: Sindarin and Quenyan would probably non-bastard tongues.
<UmbralRaptor> ...ninja'd?
<SnoopJeDi> Are those conlangs? Never even heard of them.
<SnoopJeDi> oh, Tolkien.
<SnoopJeDi> I DNF'd The Two Towers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<egg> * e_14159 slaps Fiora with a medium-sized Forelle <<< :D :D
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: I, uh, have to shun you now.
<SnoopJeDi> It was some time ago so perhaps I should have another run at it, but...
<UmbralRaptor> Yeah, other things to do.
<UmbralRaptor> On a quasi-related note, have you gotten into many epics? (Illiad, Odyssey, Aenid, Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Ramayana)
<SnoopJeDi> I have very warm memories of The Hobbit, though. Teacher read that to our class a bit at a time once upon an elementary
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, not past the highly diluted excerpt exposure one gets in public education :/
<SnoopJeDi> I think I have a copy of The Odyssey on my bookshelf though, my ex discarded quite a lot of her books when she moved
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<egg> UmbralRaptor: of those I've read only the Odyssey (and only in french translation, I never got around to learning Greek :-\)
<egg> speaking of which I should get back to reading the adventures of Pantagruel
<Fiora> the odyssey is wonderful if solely for the part where odysseus dad jokes a cyclops
<egg> UmbralRaptor: does Pantagruel count as an epic :-p
<SnoopJeDi> Fiora++ worth the price of entry
<UmbralRaptor> egg: I went through Lattimore translations of the Illiad and Odyssey some years ago.
<UmbralRaptor> Fiora: I'm told that there's even more punnery in the origional Greek.
<UmbralRaptor> egg: In terms of size, yes?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: but what about in terms of content :-p
<SnoopJeDi> I was discussing translation and puns with someone yesterday. Reading the English translations of Liu Cixin's trilogy you can get the sense that a lot of wordplay gets lost
<SnoopJeDi> although as praise for the translators, doing enough to even make the reader aware they've missed something is excellent work!
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<egg> goodnight Fiora, SnoopJeDi, UmbralRaptor, et al.
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<SnoopJeDi> bon nuit
<UmbralRaptor> 'night, egg
<kmath> <mnxmnkmnd> Really, a lot of the point was that public schooling should be improved, which is a far less realistic prospect than mandatory implants.
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