UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<Ellied>
I hope Irma at least has the decency to destroy Mar-A-Lago on the way by. .-.
<bofh>
oops, accidentally took 1.8g of modafinil. curious what the effects'll be like.
<UmbralRaptor>
This feels like a question whitequark and/or Fiora can answer. (if not, take notes?)
<bofh>
so glad that's nowhere near the LD50 of it
<bofh>
ehh, I'm comparatively insensitive to it, my usual dose is 800mg at once.
<bofh>
that will probably be a very crappy/bad time for most
<whitequark>
*stares at bofh*
<whitequark>
ACCIDENTALLY
<whitequark>
is this like when proctologists extract shampoo bottles on which the patient accidentally fell onto
<bofh>
whitequark: like I took a dose, then forgot I did b/c was still tired, so I took another like an hr later, then remembered about the first when it kicked in.
<bofh>
but rofl
<whitequark>
... 900mg of modafinil is your NORMAL dose?
<whitequark>
o_O
<bofh>
800, but yes. I did say I'm weirdly insensitive to it compared to everyone else I know.
<kmath>
<NASAJuno> Up close & personal with #Jupiter. Check out this series of enhanced-color images from my latest flyby of the plane… https://t.co/nLv2x6QJ91
<SnoopJeDi>
I berated my happy hour colleagues with a PSA about Cassini's impending death
<SnoopJeDi>
"We're gonna see pictures of Saturn's clouds! *raises glass*"
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: ++
<SnoopJeDi>
I am gonna toast that spacecraft so hard next week
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: apparently the first noticeable effect is I want to fight this one many-particle Green's Function I'm staring down. :P
<UmbralRaptor>
seems reasonable
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: same
<UmbralRaptor>
Hah
<SnoopJeDi>
that wapo graphic is terrible bofh
<SnoopJeDi>
the teraJoules one
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: oh?
<SnoopJeDi>
I mean it's aesthetically nice to look at but as a visualization almost completely pointless
<SnoopJeDi>
in Tufte-speak almost none of the ink actually conveys useful information
<bofh>
Like I view it as just "oh look here are values of accumulated cyclone energy in the wind systems of these four storms"
<bofh>
since that's all the useful info there as far as I can tell
<SnoopJeDi>
agreed
<SnoopJeDi>
I guess the size comparison is *sorta* communicable, despite showing storms at different parts of the Gulf (to say nothing of comparing storms with even nearly identical tracks e.g. Harvey and Allison)
* SnoopJeDi
grumbles about plotting
<SnoopJeDi>
On the one hand I'm pleased that the viz industry is booming: graphics are cool. On the other hand, people are making some *garbage*
<bofh>
Yep. On that note, can we please please please stop using fucking pie charts?
<SnoopJeDi>
100% of the legitimate use of pie charts is to identify cosmologists giving colloquium/public talks
<UmbralRaptor>
Approval vs disapproval polls should use pie charts. Lots of other things… not so much.
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: particularly amused at the time a cosmologist labelled the dark enegy part of the universe matter distribution chart as "Pac-Man (well it might as well be, we have as much evidence for that aa anything else)".
<SnoopJeDi>
wow burn on Pac-man
<bofh>
Fiora: 400mg is the lowest that's effective, but usually I'm taking it when somewhat sleep-deprived so 600-800mg is usual there, yes.
<Fiora>
i can't imagine getting a "good time" off modafinil, seems strange
<Fiora>
for me 0 is sleepy, 50 is functional, 100 is snappy and anxious, above that is worse
<whitequark>
Fiora: by "good time" I mean "functional"
<Fiora>
hah
<whitequark>
"able to work on whatever it is I consciously choose"
<whitequark>
as opposed to
<whitequark>
"able to work on whatever it is hypomania chooses for me, or otherwise only able to lie and watch anime"
<whitequark>
there's a slightly elevated mood but it's entirely explained by the fact that I am no longer being more and more extremely late
<Fiora>
i am glad to spread the joy of modafinil
<Fiora>
at least for me it is one of the most distinctly effective drugs i've ever taken, along with albuterol, epinephrine, and oxymetazoline
<Fiora>
distinctly effective -> i cannot imagine a situation in which i could not distinguish it from placebo at any reasonable dose
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<bofh>
heh, that's
<bofh>
really fascinating tbh
<bofh>
like it feels so weird for me to.consider 50ng mod sufficient, I *think* I might be able to tell it from placebo but I'm honestly uncertain.
<bofh>
tbh jealous, I go thru this stuff like candy & it's both pricey & prolly hard on liver.
<bofh>
also interestingly all that this massive dose seems to have done is I'm functional but once again my patience has been dialled down a lot & my spite dialled up a bunch.
<bofh>
dunno if 'snappy' is accurate, but it's an okay 0th-order approximation.
<bofh>
no anxiety tho, but I've yet to get that effect from a stimulant ever (caffeine makes me somewhat on-edge at high doses tho I s'pose)
<bofh>
I guess very annoyed is the closest description.
<kmath>
<BrandyLJensen> drank too much coffee and now I want to fight abstract concepts
<Fiora>
eh? hard on the liver? is there any evidence of that?
<Fiora>
i thought that was just the prodrug variant
<Fiora>
and yeah that's what I get with a mild overdose (overdose meaning too much for me, not a dangerous amount), snappy, less patience, etc
<bofh>
Ehh, I think I was just a bit overly worried and mixed things up with the prodrug. Mod itsself doesn't seem to cause any liver issues from the papers I just skimmed despite elevating a bunch of CYPs.
<bofh>
I'm now curious what a dangerous amount is. Apparently there's a case report of 4.5g ingested with the entire clinical presentation being headache, insomnia, slight anxiety.
<Fiora>
i'm not sure there's even a known LD50?
<Fiora>
afaik modafinil is considered very not dangerous (in comparison to, say, caffeine)
<bofh>
There doesn't seem to be one for humans at all, apparently. rat is somewhere between 1g-3g/kg
<bofh>
and yep... caffeine is somewhat nasty like that
<bofh>
(like even classical stimulants... the toxicity correlates with norepinephrine reuptake inhibition, and the pure DRIs we've found have astronomically high LD50s in mouse)
<Fiora>
is caffeine an NRI?
<Fiora>
i thought it affected the adregenic system
<bofh>
oh, it's not an NRI but it does affect the adrenergic system, apologies for being confusing
<bofh>
caffeine at high doses is fucking weird
<bofh>
like, nonselective phosphodiesterase inhibitor, also apparently acetylcholinesterase inhibitor
<bofh>
also ryanodine receptor positive allosteric modulator, which is just, what (& prolly responsible for much of its toxicity)
<bofh>
I wish I could get my hands on istradefylline again, I found it to basically be strong caffeine w/o most of the side-effects. Alas :(
<bofh>
(ryanodine receptors are those strange things that couple motor neurons to the sarcoplasmic reticulum in muscles, translating a neural impulse into a release of calcium ions. also in heart muscle they cause calcium-induced calcium release & thus are responsible ultimately for its coordinated function)
<bofh>
also yes muscle cells have an endoplasmic reticulum.that's repurposed into cat-herding around calcium
<bofh>
Fiora: so after that thread of yours about caffeine inhibiting acetylcholinesterase at high doses I'm legit amazed caffeine doesn't inhibit the dopamine transporter [it does not, fails to fit pharmacophore], since it feels like it hits Bloody Everything at micromolar/millimolar concentrations
<bofh>
also apologies for ramble, Mod really is great for shitposting enhancement
<Fiora>
no no, i really find it interesting!!!
<Fiora>
i honestly have really enjoyed like. almost every chance to interact with you and whitequark on modafinil??
<Fiora>
like for whitequark it seems to have led to multiple long, interesting rambly conversations that *didn't* devolve into bickering but rather stayed solidly interesting
<bofh>
that's tbh the best kind of conversations imo
<Fiora>
and i mean most of it is just me learning things because i have nothing to contribute on biochem but it's still good
<bofh>
glad to be informative then :)
<bofh>
I am somewhat amused as to shitposting enhancement being a consistent thing (tho for me I find I tend to shift away from twitter in these states b/c I get overly verbose then)
<Fiora>
marie has reported extremely positive effects from it as well, but i suspect she is just as adhd as me
<bofh>
makes sense.
<Fiora>
again, from a mere 50mg
<Fiora>
like, she takes 50mg in the morning and it's the difference between being awesome at a work shift and feeling useless and slow
<bofh>
heh. interesting, and that does make sense (since similarly most ADHDfolk get benefits off very low doses of stimulants)
<bofh>
(even I did, before ~2012 when I sorta messed that up considerably)
<bofh>
also now I'm again wondering if whitequark has some degree of ADHD. still the only person I've interacted with a bunch & am still uncertain/undecided on.
<Fiora>
i don't think i get more effect from *stimulants* per se, but maybe rather DRIs
<Fiora>
e.g. i probably get fairly normal effects from ephedrine
<bofh>
okay, I should clarify I meant DRIs there, indeed.
<Fiora>
to me stimulants are more along the lines of norepinephrine RAs or RIs
<Fiora>
if it doesn't make you grind your teeth it's not much of a stimulant
<bofh>
my reaction to ephedrine is... hm. it does keep me awake a bit, but mostly it just ups my blood pressure and causes teeth grinding, yup. also appetite suppression.
<Fiora>
yeah basically
<Fiora>
to me it's sort of a.... pure stimulant? do i want more norepinephrine in my system? yes? take it.
<Fiora>
it's very blunt and does what it says
<Fiora>
as opposed to modafinil which is a highly targetted bit of vaguely incomprehensible magic
<bofh>
heh, that's very true.
<bofh>
and oh god that's also very true. still can't believe we have no clear idea how the heck it works, still.
<Fiora>
and its side effects are basically just like. What Does More Norepinephrine Do
<bofh>
(well okay I can believe that, brains are complicated beyond belief)
<Fiora>
the best impression i've gotten from literature is it seems to be two different things
<Fiora>
it *seems* to have a histamine effect, which could account for wakefulness
<Fiora>
and it has a highly selective DRI effect which probably explains ADHD usefulness.
<bofh>
yep. (still wish I could find binding assays for it against COMT and the H3 histamine receptor since those don't seem to exist but would explain a bunch if they did)
<Fiora>
ephedrine-wise actually-- so one of my roommates uses it before exercise
<Fiora>
and she finds it gives her a lot more stamina and energy
<bofh>
(tho then again H3 inverse agonists [H3 is the brain histamine autoreceptor] are *synergistic* in improving wakefulness in clinical trials I seem to recall reading, tho that might be Mod's DRI effect)
<Fiora>
Which makes a lot of sense because you want something that hits you with that norepinephrine and starts liberating glucose into the blood
<bofh>
yep, indeed.
<Fiora>
it however (over many studies) does NOT make you stronger, which, well, should be obvious that's a bit of woo.
<bofh>
I mean part of the sympathetic nervous system's reason for existence is to make it more possible to run from that hungry lion more effectively, haha
<bofh>
indeed. amused they did many studies to that effect honestly, tho now I guess it's very clear
<Fiora>
it's because of the whole ECA stack thing
<Fiora>
somehow it went from "it helps you lose weight" (true) to "it helps give you more energy" (obviously, by some definition) to "it helps you be STRONG and BUILD MUSCLE and be MANLY" (uhhhhh)
<bofh>
rofl
<bofh>
granted I think I've sern the last of those 3 basically verbatim on some workout supplement once
<bofh>
in what I swear was stock Microsoft WordArt, even
<Fiora>
LOL
<bofh>
actually after the last conference I went to I feel I *really* need to start a "stock WordArt in inappropriate places" tumblr given how absurdly popular it is for physics poster titles.
<Fiora>
also to note: in general i am supremely bored and starved for human interaction so i very much appreciate comfortable forms of human interaction. that is. people are generally not wasting my time. unless they're being difficult. or obnoxious. or neurotypical.
<bofh>
but yea, I do find NRIs to be moderately unpleasant at high doses, tho they are useful at lower ones (mostly I think I've been on NDRIs for so long that my blood pressure dips too low when not on them)
<bofh>
will note that, then.
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<Fiora>
heh, i think last time I took my blood pressure while not on stimulants....
<Fiora>
i think it was like 95/55
<Fiora>
the last time i was in the doctor's office in the morning (an hour or two after stimulants) it was like... 115/70? maybe? something like that.
<Fiora>
maybe 110/70
<bofh>
I think the last time I measured BP off any stimulants years ago it was... iirc 100/65 or so
<bofh>
similar results tho when I tried a pure DRI that one time (that was 110/70)
<bofh>
normally it's something like 125/85, rarely 130/85
<bofh>
yours seems astoundingly low, tho it wpuld explain why you find NRIs so tolerable, possibly.
<Fiora>
i wonder what a good place is to just go get blood pressure tested.... i'm curious what it is currently
<Fiora>
i haven't actually tested it with my current concoction
<bofh>
some drugstores have self-serve machines in my experience tho it's very inconsistent which (usually it's somewhere by the pharmacy desk off to the side somewhat)
<Fiora>
yeah i can't remember if any neraby do
<Fiora>
what exactly does it *mean* if someone has sufficiently low natural levels... of whatever... that they find NRIs highly tolerable/nice?
<bofh>
honestly it's kinda frustrating to check in my experience unless you buy a BP monitor off amazon or the like (no idea which models are good, sorry)
<bofh>
I'm... honestly not sure. I guess it first off depends on why that's the case, and what [ie low NE levels itsself, decreased receptor density, overactive compensation at autoreceptors, etc?], and I don't have sny idea where to start from most of those
<bofh>
the most I can say is that you have an underactive sympathetic nervous system/brain norepinephrine network. but what could cause that I'm not really sure
<Fiora>
yeah. i dunno. i have normal thyroid levels, at least
<Fiora>
but my entire system tends to run slow
<Fiora>
despite that
<bofh>
yeah, that's the other interesting thing.
<bofh>
if deregulating thyroid function wasn't such a bad idea (since apparently it can take a really long time to reset back to normal) I'd be tempted to suggest 25mcg of levothyroxine and see what the response is.
<Fiora>
ohhhhhhh yeah, i've heard uh. it can permanently fuck you up
<Fiora>
though, another thing: I wonder what the meaning of peoples' different preferred indoor temperatures is. i.e. the temperature at which ones' body begins to feel hot/cold
<Fiora>
possibly due to stimulants, mine is significantly lower than sophie's
<bofh>
yeah, sounds about right.
<Fiora>
she feels cold under ~75-77. i feel melting over ~72
<Fiora>
we have semi-serious fights over the thermostat.
<bofh>
I melt over 72-73 as well
<Fiora>
marie's optimal temperature range is like around 69-72. and she's not on a heavy dose of stimulants. but also interestingly
<Fiora>
she reacted *badly* to ephedrine
<Fiora>
8mg made her feel pretty awful
<bofh>
actually that used to be even lower once, my ideal indoor temperarure once was ~65
<bofh>
iiiiiinteresting.
<Fiora>
of course she's deeply addicted to caffeine (how can you not be, working at a coffee shop?) but that's not a norepinephrine modulator.
<Fiora>
she *does* like the effects of sibutramine but that one's weird, even though it's an NDRI it doesn't seem to be much of a stimulant per se
<bofh>
(so yeah, I've long since been certain that preferred indoor temperature is largely a factor of basal metabolic rate, modulated by amount of baseline sympathetic nervous system activity)
<Fiora>
heh, makes sense. i have had the same hunch
<Fiora>
i've been trying to observe people around me and their reactions to things just. out a lot of curiosity really, and interest
<Fiora>
like my cosplay group lead takes methylphenidate (prefers it to dextroamphetamine) and oh boy you can TELL when he needs his meds.
<bofh>
on a higher dose of stimulants and off estradiol [it's somewhat of a sympatholytic for me, tho that might be again idiosyncratic] I would be fine in a tshirt & jeans right down to 0degC/32degF if there was no/only mild wind
<Fiora>
(as can he lol)
<bofh>
heh
<bofh>
yep it's *immediately* obvious, heh.
<Fiora>
he's a little bit of a "well-managed ADHD role model" in the sense that he's very experienced with it and very self-aware and handles it well
<bofh>
like in my case I don't think it's possible for me to forget a DRI dose, the cravings solve that issue for me readily.
<Fiora>
cravings?
<bofh>
imagine being utterly overpoweringly starving, except for food it's methylphenidate
<Fiora>
it's *that* addictive?
<bofh>
I'm the only one I know to get that to any effect and I know a lot of ADHDfolk.
<Fiora>
that's really interesting. i've never taken anything that gave me that
<bofh>
I think it's I have a really easily inducible ΔFosB
<Fiora>
caffeine is addictive, but only in the sense that i get sleepy without it and headache withdrawal etc
<Fiora>
but i only notice symptoms from lack of it, i don't get cravings for it
<bofh>
I, no joke, have gotten cravings for estradiol after suddenly going from 2mg/day to 0.
<Fiora>
what XD
<Fiora>
also 2. that's so little isn't it
<bofh>
weirdly I've *never* gotten any from caffeine
<bofh>
which honestly is annoying as hell since I forget to take it sometimes as a result and get withdrawal fun
<bofh>
well 3 now, but I suspect that's due to modafinil upregulating CYP3A4 or whatnot
<bofh>
it's all I've needed, but yeah it is low compared to what most people would take
* egg|zzz|egg
reads backlog
* egg|zzz|egg
reaches the bit about Fiora's preferred indoor temperatures, and stabs Fahrenheit
<egg|zzz|egg>
(I mean, presumably, unless Fiora is a thermophile cat)
<kmath>
<johnregehr> It's so much more respectable with the British spelling https://t.co/lsSDWfSJ7G
* UmbralRaptor
stares at the above temperature ranges in confusion. (best guess for being inactive is ~74 F here. Naturally my currents office goes between 69 and 71)
<UmbralRaptor>
Fortunately, this is a common enough problem that most people understand why someone would need a sweatshirt or jacket in summer!
<egg>
I keep reading Katia as котя
<egg>
!acr -add:BVU BromoVinylUracil
<Qboid>
egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg>
!acr -add:BVDU BromoVinylDeoxyUridine
<Qboid>
egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a prescriptive ruby
<UmbralRaptor>
A gem that demonstrates three coding standards of three language?
<UmbralRaptor>
egg: cat 1, 1 cat, close enough.
<UmbralRaptor>
s/three/the/
<Qboid>
UmbralRaptor meant to say: A gem that demonstrates the coding standards of three language?
<UmbralRaptor>
…
<egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a nasal triangulation
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg a cadmium 2N2222
<soundnfury>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg a voltage-gated compass
<bofh>
pfft, 2N3904 are better :P
<bofh>
13:06 <@Iskierka> for ANBO's geometry division?
<bofh>
LOL
<Greys>
did any of you who watch Tom Scott, specifically Tom & Matt, participate in their geoguess challenge from the eclipse video?
<Greys>
for the uninformed, they did a video where they went from the UK to somewhere in america and watched the eclipse, there was no dearth of details about their location, and then at the end they challenged people to figure out where they had observed the eclipse from
<Greys>
so there were details like where the eclipse was in the sky, what the temperature was, loads of terrain footage, they were in a corn field, it took them 20 hours to get there, they were in total eclipse, I think there was phase timing, and so on
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* UmbralRaptor
did not.
<egg>
!choose buy food|stay inside where it's dry
<Qboid>
egg: Your options are: buy food, stay inside where it's dry. My choice: buy food
<kmath>
YouTube - You Successfully Stalked Us, Please Don't Do It Again.
<egg>
raptorchoose buy food|stay inside where it's dry
<Greys>
egg, order delivery
<Greys>
buy food inside where it's dry
<egg>
that's not likely to work, wouldn't arrive today, and so I'd end up waiting til possibly tuesday (because monday is a half-holiday here)
<egg>
(well assuming I'm ordering supermarket stuff, I guess I could order quickly-delivered pizza or whatnot but I was mostly looking at the fact that there's only one egg left in the fridge)
<bofh>
resorting to cannibalism, egg? :P
<egg>
bofh: eggsactly
<Greys>
you could put that egg on the pizza
<egg>
bofh: though this morning I screwed up and overcooked my poached egg
<UmbralRaptor>
egg: drive to local grocery store?
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: ...
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: ok, I guess I could drive a bicycle there, but that wouldn't help
<bofh>
walk to local grocery store? :P
<UmbralRaptor>
uh
* egg
doesn't have a car, or a driver's license
<Greys>
tldw: the two most accurate guesses at the position are within 3 meters, and 4 people lost out because they had one fewer decimal of precision than necessary
<UmbralRaptor>
ERR: TRANSPORT NOT FOUND
<UmbralRaptor>
Greys: o_O
<bofh>
Greys: LOL
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: also the store is like < 700 m away as the MILAN flies
* egg
afk hunting eggs
egg is now known as egg|afk|egg
<UmbralRaptor>
MILAN?
<bofh>
presumably some sort of express train
<UmbralRaptor>
hrm
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: oh, uh, possibly rude question given the above drug discussion: why low doses of estradiol?
<bofh>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<bofh>
comedically it started out as "oh hey this improves my heat tolerance very slightly, which is very useful in Shanghai when THE HEAT INDEX IS FIFTY-THREE FOR WEEKS AT A TIME"
<bofh>
Celsius, that is
<bofh>
haven't stopped yet b/c I inexplicably feel a lot better on it. I guess it is a pretty good antidepressant. But overall, I'm not 100% sure I have an answer, honestly.
<bofh>
(just to be clear: it
<bofh>
(just to be clear: it was still extremely unpleasant to step outside then, just I didn't *literally* die)
<bofh>
(as for how I discovered that effect in the first place? tried some randomly for laughs out of curiosity)
<Ellied>
also wow I need to start hormones. antidepressant (likely especially so, given the MAIN reason I want to take it) AND improves heat tolerance?
<bofh>
!wpn -add:2N7000
<Qboid>
bofh: Invalid type
<Ellied>
my heat tolerance is, like, fully liquid at 30°C
<Ellied>
!wpn -add:wpn 2N7000
<Qboid>
Ellied: Weapon already added!
<bofh>
so I think it's idiosyncratic for me
<Ellied>
yeah 7000s are good
<bofh>
mine was fully liquid at 24°C, maybe even lower.
<bofh>
I'm not kidding when I say it was comparable to an icicle's.
<Ellied>
I mean, I'm already well into the crabby zone once you clear 20
<Ellied>
but 30 is the hard thermal shutdown point for me basically
<bofh>
I fall over cognitively between 24°C and 28°C (closer to the latter now), it's frightening.
<Fiora>
UmbralRaptor: to note, bofh is doing something extraordinarily weird that i am legit curious why it works
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<Fiora>
the weird part being taking it *without* a T blocker
<bofh>
what Fiora said
<Fiora>
which, intuitively, shouldn't do anything meaningful.
<Fiora>
because T tends to quash the effects of E
<bofh>
doesn't seem to mentally for me, weirdly. not sure if idiosyncratic or I'm hypersensitive or whatnot. whitequark might have answers.
<bofh>
egg|afk|egg: oh, a missile
<Fiora>
(and a very low dose at that: one which should be very much overwhelmed by natural hormone levels)
<egg|phone|egg>
Bofh : wired!
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<bofh>
egg|cell|egg: "as the X flies" is a common expression here for great circle distance between two points, X isn't always something capable of flight but usually is
<bofh>
not sure if that's necessarily the case there too
<egg|cell|egg>
Yes that's what I meant
<bofh>
"The longest range wire-guided missiles in current use are limited to about 4 km (2.5 mi).
<bofh>
+"*
* Iskierka
doesn't have a car or license but has a bike and biiiiiig panniers. Can transport much groceries
<bofh>
that's... a lot of wire.
<Iskierka>
in fact probably anything but a baguette unless I break it in half to fit
<bofh>
I take it that's just spooled up in the launching mechanism until use?
<bofh>
I guess it does have the advantage that unlike RF, it's not jammable via broad-spectrum QRM.
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<Iskierka>
might be very thin and sheathed in something like kevlar for strength so it only needs a small volume?
<egg|cell|egg>
I think UmbralRaptor may have said as the тополь м flies once
<Iskierka>
(kevlar self-supporting length of 120 km means it should handle acceleration + length with very little stress)
<egg|cell|egg>
So I went with something shorter ranged
<Iskierka>
I presume it's probably cheaper than a decent IR sensor else these things are all line-of-sight so you'd think laser guidance would be better. Can't be jammed like RF and modern ones I'm pretty sure use a modulated signature in the laser so flares, if you even had them, don't jam them either
<bofh>
huh, so *that's* how you avoid flare-jamming. Always wondered.
<Iskierka>
I believe that is a method that works. Same as active radars. Can't fake a pattern that it's making up as it goes
<bofh>
*nods*
<Iskierka>
although flares are more generally used against aircraft looking at the exhaust. The counter-countermeasure there is smarter optical recognition to tell the difference between a burst of phosphorus and a hot jet of air
<Iskierka>
potentially as simply as "that shit's too hot for exhaust, I'm not gonna fall for it."
<bofh>
hey maybe your plane uses UMDH/Nitrogen Tetroxide as propellant? :P
<Iskierka>
"Glushko no!" "Glushko YES!"
<bofh>
LOL
* UmbralRaptor
snickers.
* Fiora
skittles
<bofh>
great now I want candy, thanks :P
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<egg>
bofh: so phl commanded one of those (he did polytechnique, which was (still technically is but less so) an officer school because Napoleon needed gunners and engineers), it is a *weird* vehicle
<egg>
bofh: there are hatches that open up so the drivers can poke their heads out, but the cannon runs into them
<egg>
bofh: there are two big metal wheels that you can lower to theoretically improve traction in muddy terrain
<Ellied>
bofh: jesus, that IS a lot of wire
<Ellied>
I'd expect significant attenuation over that distance?
<Ellied>
well, I guess I don't know how those work. Is it *multiple* conductors, or just a sort of shared-antenna arrangement, or what?
<UmbralRaptor>
Eating something you found at a bus stop seems like a bad idea.
<Ellied>
Worse than eating something you found in whitequark's house?
<Ellied>
I mean not to say her house is *dirty* or anything, but as far as eating something that's been wandering around in arbitrary locations within it goes, I'd probably mark that down as a better-than-average chance of also eating something horrifying.
<UmbralRaptor>
Well, if it was still alive presumably it hadn't gotten into the nasty chemicals.
<Ellied>
true enough.
<Ellied>
although not necessarily, it could be something that only kills you if you eat it and the moth just got some on its fur
<UmbralRaptor>
meep
<bofh>
now I'm imagining feeding moths isopropylphenidate
<kmath>
<Newpa_Hasai> Лев Ланда́у Disapproves of your choice of coordinate system. https://t.co/9cmTaPwr6K
<Iskierka>
Ellied, does that really count when vertical is the larger resolution?
* Iskierka
does have one low-resolution screen, actually, but it's just the barely-used direct interface for the pi server
<bofh>
egg: yes, yes you should.
<UmbralRaptor>
Iskierka: feel my frustration at a macbook air being my best work computer option at the present!
<Ellied>
Iskierka: okay, should have specified smallest dimension
<Iskierka>
your phone has above 800 vertical?
<Ellied>
yeah, it's 1920x1080
<Ellied>
or the other way around as you like
* Iskierka
's phone is second smallest at 720p.
<Ellied>
My Nexus 5 had the same resolution and I was unwilling to downgrade (and wanted a physically larger screen for my fat thums) so I went with the OnePlus 2
<Ellied>
I suppose it's technically a downgrade in some people's books because the density is lower, but I still can't see the pixels even if I squint really close so it's all the same to me
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<Iskierka>
given finite resolution sections claims like that are silly
<Iskierka>
density is only a downgrade if the size changed enough that you would only get comparable density with a resolution upgrade. Otherwise it's presenting the imagery bigger
<Iskierka>
(and even then it's a downgrade balanced by that same thing)
<Ellied>
well, I did hack it into showing the UI smaller so that the physical sizes of everything are about the same as they were on the Nexus, just with more space
<bofh>
egg: rofl shadowed ∆t variables
<egg>
bofh: yup, and spent a few evening doing dichotomy on a very weird bug because of that
<egg>
bofh: found another bug in the process though :D
<bofh>
"In 1965, JPL Engineer, John Casani, jokingly came up with the idea of the Ghoul when a reporter asked him why many Soviet spacecraft were failing to reach Mars. The Ghoul came to be known as the Great Galactic Ghoul and lived on in infamy."
<UmbralRaptor>
Nice.
<bofh>
...........JESUS FLYING FUCK SO AFTER PUMMELLING CUBA IRMA IS BACK UP TO CAT 4 IN AN HOUR.
<kmath>
<Helena_LB> Sure, funny headline, but "the company contracted to move Suzy didn’t realize she was missing until they arrived in… https://t.co/MxARsvlhVV
<soundnfury>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a redundant timer-like transformer
<bofh>
misread that as time-like and was thinking "oh, so the space-like ones are what one'd find in one's backyard?"
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: :D
* UmbralRaptor
wonders if Ellied is using Jackson, Griffiths, Lorrain and Corson, or something else.
<Ellied>
griffiths rings a bell? I stupidly did not bring the book to lunch with me, so I will tell you when I get back to the physics department
<bofh>
Haven't heard of Lorrain & Corson.
<bofh>
My E&M was Griffiths for intro, then Jackson for... the Jacksoning.
<kmath>
<alt_kia> the "Z"s are meant to represent RF radiation but I'm choosing to interpret that as the antenna just being very slee… https://t.co/YAgyYb1MCW
<kmath>
<flightradar24> Another screenshot of the Cessna 172 mass exodus by Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University from Daytona Beach to Aubu… https://t.co/rzcwR4UL7W
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: does flightradar24 track Argentavis flights
<UmbralRaptor>
No idea.
<egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a gamma duck
<egg>
Gammaente
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg an apochromatic keyboard/ORBAT hybrid
<egg>
fluorite keyboard?
<UmbralRaptor>
Leave it up to Qboid to reify the "104th keyboards" joke
<UmbralRaptor>
maybe
<bofh>
LOL
<bofh>
egg: hey fluorite would make for a pretty decent keyboard key material IMO
<egg>
bofh: so I know of that book by Mersenne via John Barnes, who wrote that book "nice numbers" (he also was on the ARG, wrote "Programming in Ada(| 95| 2005)", I know him via phl)
<kmath>
<oshepherd> @whitequark @m3hr how many hours have been expended on busybox litigation? what *interesting* proprietary modifica… https://t.co/XNyjQyY3Pt
<Iskierka>
Iiii suspect it's free with egg
<Iskierka>
like most things
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: CH, not US
<egg>
as iskie says
<Iskierka>
there's some things that aren't always free but bar dentist or opticians it should be assumed
<SnoopJeDi>
Ah, the GPL. What legal terror have you wrought upon us for own good
<Iskierka>
and opticians are cheap as they're generally subsidised in various ways, at least here
<SnoopJeDi>
at least it's not inane like the JSON license
<egg>
yeah dentist is an oddity here (in france it's as free as anything else), but you have 2nd pillar for that
<egg>
(the swiss health insurance system is *weird*)
<egg>
(I mean, switzerland is *weird*)
<egg>
(something something flying cows)
<Iskierka>
dentists and opticians are things I say they should throw into the standard care here (they're only part and parcel if under 18) but they're pretty much the only things normally outside it
<UmbralRaptor>
Eh, cows start flying by what, EF-3?
<Iskierka>
and you can get discount or free if you submit proof of low income or such
<UmbralRaptor>
Stabbity.
* UmbralRaptor
is still bitter at the realization that one cam be too poor to get government assistance for insurance.
<Iskierka>
Isn't it a small margin where it's not quite properly covered?
<UmbralRaptor>
(also, dental and optical aren't "essential coverage" for reasons I never understood)
<UmbralRaptor>
In Missouri it's $0-11,200 IIRC
<egg>
Iskierka: opticians, or ophtalmologists? for opticians in france I think technically you can get very ugly social security glasses, otherwise you pay
<UmbralRaptor>
Uh, more like $5k-11.2k if you're disabled or raising a family. Might be some other restrictions.
<Iskierka>
egg: isn't a clear distinction made here
* egg
initially read 11,200 as 11 dollars and 20 cents
<Iskierka>
you can get the £8 standard-reading-glasses from a supermarket or such. All the opticians have very basic options for like £20, and you can pay for more
<UmbralRaptor>
egg: no, no, 200 milles!
<Iskierka>
there's also further options like university hospitals will offer free eye tests as student training, and you can take the results elsewhere
<egg>
Iskierka: huh, here in CH too ophtalmologists are distinct from opticians
<Iskierka>
what is the distinction made?
<Iskierka>
it may exist here but I've not perceived one
<egg>
well they're the people who diagnose/examine (also stare at your retina/measure pressure, whatnot), and hand you a prescription you give to the optician
<Iskierka>
Ah, there's very few that are split here
<Iskierka>
they're generally the same place and do deals on the eye test plus cheap new glasses. Though they're largely semi-private
<Iskierka>
(you won't get as cheap if you use the university free test and take the results elsewhere)
<egg>
the optician might also remeasure eyesight if it's been a while since the prescription, but the actual doctor is the ophtalmologist
<Iskierka>
that is a fair distinction on the person but here they're pretty much always working in the same building and you see both in the same visit
<Iskierka>
so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<bofh>
lifehack: if craving sugary crap, eat about 5 packets of aspartame. you will now no longer be craving sugary crap, and indeed the thought is now slightly nauseating.
<bofh>
may not work for everyone tho
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: so anyway, yes, I go to the neurologist every year, get an eeg, chat with the doctor (he speaks french even, as does my general practitioner), and get my prescription of depakine for the year
* Iskierka
is curious what bofh's insulin levels are like now
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: come to think of it that probably means I see him more often than my general practitioner :-p
* UmbralRaptor
at least has the excuse of not seeing a GP in years because good health plus no to laughable insurance.
<SnoopJeDi>
mmm aspartame
<SnoopJeDi>
Not only is it delicious, it's a great woo-woo subject to be "that guy" on and ask for the relevant literature.
<SnoopJeDi>
"Oh really, I'd never heard [crazy loony theory about aspartame], can you send me a link to that paper?"
<egg>
UmbralRaptor: so I think before those stupid viruses started acting up this week I had last seen my general practitioner when I was taking Pandharipande's commutative algebra course, in late 2013
<Fiora>
bofh: i found a better technique is to take something that increases blood glucose levels
<Fiora>
that, or drink gatorade
<bofh>
Iskierka: do artificial sweeteners actually affect insulin levels significantly? wasn't aware they did.
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: I thought you need EF-4 to make cows airborne, generally. I s'pose it depends on the cow
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: LOL
<bofh>
Fiora: gatorade is great, go through way too much of it in the summer b/c oh god the heat
<egg>
Fiora: random question on the subject of comestible substances, does your aversion to mayonnaise also extend to other sauces that are emulsions held by egg, e.g., hollandaise or béarnaise? if it's specific to oil-egg, does it extend to other oils?
<SnoopJeDi>
I've read exactly one paper that made me pause and go "huh." about aspartame, and even then not beyond "ooh hopefully there's follow-up"
<Fiora>
it feels like the exact perfect concentration of sugar water
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: admittedly it would probably best to spend some wind tunnel time on an eggsample cow…
<Fiora>
just enough to be thirst quenching and energy refilling, but not enough to make you more thirsty (due to need for extra water to form glycogen)
<Fiora>
and not enough to be terribly high calorie
<Fiora>
and presumably not enough to have an awful insulin response
<bofh>
egg: I'm curious too, since I can't stand mayonnaise or hollandaise either, never had béarnaise (or bearnaise, for that matter).
<egg>
bofh: huh, you can't stand hollandaise? that's interesting; is it texture-specific, or is it about the taste thereof (e.g. would hollandaise aerated by a siphon work)