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<Ellied>
oo, manjaro doesn't even have Symbola installed by default. the plot thickens.
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* UmbralRaptor
whines about food being more expensive in DC.
<kmath>
<mcclure111> The Principia Mathematica is an entire book of tautological statements and so it is the only source of objective truth humanity has produced
<kmath>
<AnneAMadden> Was stopped by TSA for carrying a 'suspicious' amount of cheese. .. Again. Their suggestion: "treat cheese as a laptop" #TSAWisdom #Cheese
<UmbralRaptor>
!wa energy in 1 liter of cheese
<Qboid>
UmbralRaptor: cheese | amount | 1 L (liter) | total calories: 2857 Cal (dietary Calories)
<Qboid>
Fiora: Seems that Wolfram is unable to understand that.
<Iskierka>
!wa fission energy of uranium
<Qboid>
Iskierka: Seems that Wolfram is unable to understand that.
<UmbralRaptor>
I want to say fission optimistically gets you 3e-3 of the mass, and fusion (optimistically for different reasons) gets you 7e-3.
<Iskierka>
thought I was getting closer trying "nucleon binding energy" but wolfram doesn't want to recognise it
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<Iskierka>
!wa ( nuclear binding energy of uranium-238 ) * 238/molecule * (molecules in 1 litre of uranium)
<Qboid>
Iskierka: U-238 | binding energy per nucleon×238/(molecule) convert 1 L of uranium (chemical element) to molecules: 8.6835×10^28 MeV (megaelectronvolts)
<Iskierka>
which on website is equivalated to 1/8 of the surface energy of the 2004 indian oxean earthquake & tsunami
<Iskierka>
or the impact energy of Meteor Crater, Arizona
<UmbralRaptor>
Owch. Cumulative Xe-135 yield from Pu-239 is around 7.5%
<Iskierka>
although that, as it takes the estimate of an absolutely perfect fission of each and every molecule, is around 8e-3 and way over the estimate of what you can get
<Iskierka>
!c 238/56
<Qboid>
4
<Iskierka>
... although in theory it would actually be possible to perfectly fission U-238 into four iron o.O
<Iskierka>
assuming that didn't round
<Iskierka>
!wa 238/56
<Qboid>
Iskierka: 238/56 = 17/4
<Iskierka>
okay not quite
<Iskierka>
but 3 Fe-56 and one Fe-57 would be pretty good
<Iskierka>
Or whatever the fourth needs to be to balance it
<UmbralRaptor>
I don't suppose that there are any high yield stable pairs here mid you're looking for realism?
<Iskierka>
not especially :p
<Iskierka>
just went over that it over-estimated the efficiency
<Iskierka>
!wa ( nuclear binding energy of hydrogen-1 ) * 1/molecule * (molecules in 19.1 kg of hydrogen)
<Qboid>
Iskierka: H-1 | binding energy per nucleon×1/(molecule) convert 19.10 kg of hydrogen (chemical element) to molecules: 0 MeV (megaelectronvolts)
<Iskierka>
... I think that might be using a different reference marker
<Iskierka>
which possibly could also explain the over-estimate?
<Iskierka>
!wa (( nuclear binding energy of uranium-238 )-( nuclear binding energy of iron-56 )) * 238/molecule * (molecules in 1 litre of uranium)
<Qboid>
Iskierka: (U-238 | binding energy per nucleon - Fe-56 | binding energy per nucleon)×238/(molecule) convert 1 L of uranium (chemical element) to molecules: -1.3997×10^28 MeV (megaelectronvolts)
<UmbralRaptor>
!wa mass U-235
<Qboid>
UmbralRaptor: U-235 | atomic mass: 235.043929918 u (unified atomic mass units)
<UmbralRaptor>
!wa mass Fe-56
<Qboid>
UmbralRaptor: Fe-56 | atomic mass: 55.934937475 u (unified atomic mass units)
<Iskierka>
That looks more like the order of magnitude you predict
<Iskierka>
hydrogen-1 -> helium 4 in the same calculation gives 144 from the same mass
<Iskierka>
but obv that's the slow one
<UmbralRaptor>
Heh
<Iskierka>
deuterium 121 grams but that would be 100% of released energy so again over-efficient
* Iskierka
guesses that fission is actually more efficient at converting to energies that have an effect? But releases significantly less
<Iskierka>
though no matter which if these you take we're getting "the order of magnitude is enough to make a giant meteor crater. 1 litre can do everything you want and more."
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Fiora, Iskierka, and UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives Fiora, Iskierka, and UmbralRaptor a rotary diode which strongly resembles a lattice
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<egg|eeg|egg>
!Wpn -add:Wpn elephant
<Qboid>
egg|eeg|egg: Invalid type
<egg|eeg|egg>
!Wpn -add:wpn elephant
<Qboid>
egg|eeg|egg: Weapon already added!
<soundnfury>
egg|eeg|egg: are you having a brain scan?
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<bofh>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a submersible zygomorphism
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a RFC 2324-compliant cathedral/warhead hybrid
<bofh>
ooh
<bofh>
oh RFC2324 is HTCPCP. useful.
<Qboid>
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<egg|work|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh an unitary Durandal
<egg|work|egg>
bofh: whitequark's ISP is still garbled?
* UmbralRaptor
suggests Popeye's, but isn't sure they're available outside the US.
<bofh>
Ellied: seems reasonable
<whitequark>
UmbralRaptor: their "non-spicy" chicken is spicy to me, and "spicy" chicken is FIRE IN THE HOLE
<Iskierka>
a lot of the chain food places do use different recipes around the world to suit locale. Might be different in europe (even very-far-europe)
<Iskierka>
americans often struggle with even mild indian spice from UK so maybe it's genuinely not spicy in the US and they figure europe can handle it?
<egg|work|egg>
whitequark! \o/
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn whitequark
* Qboid
gives whitequark an invisible demi-cannon
<UmbralRaptor>
This would explain the disappointing Thai chicken the other day.
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a stretchy ℻ which strongly resembles a µa741
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a ring with a telescope attachment
<UmbralRaptor>
Telescope (mathematical object)
<whitequark>
!wpn egg|work|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|work|egg a krypton spear
<UmbralRaptor>
Not to be confused with Telescope (astronomical instrument)
<bofh>
I read that as Telescope (musical instrument) and got very confused.
<whitequark>
Iskierka: I was once in a small town near LA visiting a friend and bought a burger advertised as "spicy"
<whitequark>
when I sunk my teeth into it, I initially didn't feel anything. and for a few seconds later.
<whitequark>
afterwards, well, let's say there were tears
<Iskierka>
america is weird in that there's no spice in normal stuff but the spicy stuff goes super overboard, from my understanding
<whitequark>
oh
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn -add:adj spicy
<Qboid>
egg|work|egg: Adjective added!
<Iskierka>
I might be wrong but this is what the internet has presented
<egg|work|egg>
!wpn whitequark
* Qboid
gives whitequark a regular !wpn
<egg|work|egg>
um
* egg|work|egg
stabs salt in hair from eeg
<UmbralRaptor>
Iskierka: that's not entirely innacurate.
<SnoopJeDi>
there's a tropey culture around heat-without-flavor
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|work|egg:?
<SnoopJeDi>
sleep study, perhaps?
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: it really annoys me, I have a very high capsaicin tolerance & the amount of totally flavourless hot stuff is kind of exasperating
<UmbralRaptor>
Relatedly, Chipotle tobasco >> normal tobasco
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<bofh>
tabasco just tastes like vinegar to me tbh
<SnoopJeDi>
UmbralRaptor, put a few drops of that in with an omelet just as the curd starts to form and you will have the most fragrant, smoky kitchen
<Iskierka>
bofh: tried hot indian-UK curries? (if there's been an opportunity)
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: copper with bits of capsaicin. But the Chipotle variant has actual flavor!
<SnoopJeDi>
indian-UK...so, creamy? :P
<Iskierka>
that would be korma which I like but isn't hot
<Iskierka>
at least by UK standards
<UmbralRaptor>
SnoopJeDi: sadly omlets are a no go for me.
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm lukewarm on korma at best. Hook me up with a saag, fam
<Iskierka>
using Indian-UK because I doubt what we have accurately what Indians would have, even if it could be close
* UmbralRaptor
gags on the texture and sometimes flavor of most eggs. Challah is fine, though. O_o
<SnoopJeDi>
Iskierka, the subcontinent has a lot of variety in dishes anyway. Tons of regional pride in dishes, but I suppose it's like that anywhere
<Iskierka>
So they may be properly indian for certain limited definitions of indian
<bofh>
Iskierka: yes, those are tasty. well not UK specifically, but hot Indian ones in Canada yes
<Iskierka>
Canada probably close enough
<SnoopJeDi>
A friend of mine gave me some okra recently, did a nice bhindi curry with it :D
<bofh>
mind you my spice tolerance is high enough that I am able to eat 1/8th of a goast pepper raw and be fine, albeit with considerable swearing and a stomachache for an hour or so afterwards.
<Iskierka>
tongue survives but not the rest?
<bofh>
(also I am able to successfully lock my laptop screen before going to a sink that one time I rubbed my eyes immediately after cutting uo & trying one)
<bofh>
(priorities)
<SnoopJeDi>
oh good lord ghost pepper in eye RIP
<bofh>
I think I mostly just ran water on my eye for like 10 minutes while swearing incessantly
<Iskierka>
miiiiilk
<bofh>
it was not fun. would not ever recommend.
<bofh>
in your *eye*? I don't think so.
<Iskierka>
Better than capsaicin
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, my bigtime-cooking friend made a bowl of salsa verde with a single reaper in it (and a bunch of hatch chiles because it was the season), and we started hiccuping after one bite
<kmath>
<jgerity> @stephentyrone I had a Greek prof for a numerical methods course and could NEVER distinguish his π from his n.
<egg|zzz|egg>
ωs that look furiously like ws too
<SnoopJeDi>
yea egg|zzz|egg a colleague of mine loves to tease me about how I never say them right
<SnoopJeDi>
same one I asked about pi
<egg|zzz|egg>
SnoopJeDi: well you might say them right for ancient greek, lots of shifting of the sounds
<egg|zzz|egg>
ok π you probably don't pronounce right no matter what
<SnoopJeDi>
heh, yea
<egg|zzz|egg>
SnoopJeDi: but for τ [tau] is pretty much the Ancient Greek pronunciation, [taf] the modern one
<UmbralRaptor>
So the pronounciations we learned would help more for reading Homer?
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: yes all those bits of Homer where decide to spell something out of the blue :-p
* UmbralRaptor
gives egg|zzz|egg a list of ships, or something.
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: I mean, [paɪ] for π is just silly, here you really just have to pronounce it [piː], ancient or modern, unless you go really early and then it's [pêː] apparently? Ꙩ_ꙩ
<UmbralRaptor>
More seriously, so it'll still rhyme?
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: oh you mean the pronunciation of the letters in a word, rather than that of the names of the letters?
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: that's trickier, you didn't learn the diphtongs nor the tones
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg thinks UmbralRaptor meant to say: ΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑΑ
* UmbralRaptor
blames tones for nguyen and geoduck being pronounced nothing like they are spelled.
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: hey, at least viet is (kinda) phonetic (kinda, the romanization tried to reflect multiple different pronunciations so it's a mess in practice, still better than en or fr tho)
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: geoduck?
<UmbralRaptor>
People claim that English is phonetic. Though with all the tough words you have to go through…
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: If it were phonetic, it would be "gooey duck"
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: nothing to do with tones though
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: some clam relative.
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: Nguyễn does have tonal fun, but that's not the main issue with the naïve pronunciation thereof
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: um, isn't geoduck a pokemon?
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: but like the pronunciation is fairly obvious, tone aside: ng is [ŋ], and then the triphtong is [wiə]; then the final should be [n] but in the centre and south it's actually [ŋ] because chữ quốc ngữ is not quite phonetic if you start looking closely enough
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: then you look at tone and it's a region-dependent mess of course
* Qboid
gives UmbralRaptor a logarithmic phototransistor
<UmbralRaptor>
Log scale for light detection, AS IT SHOULD BE
<UmbralRaptor>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a Christoffel Bucket O' Nitrogens™
<Iskierka>
romanisations do tend to have the advantage of people choosing to make it consistent and straightforward. or try to
<Iskierka>
chinese has some odd ones from what I've seen though. Need to learn the pronunciation of a letter, then after that it's consistent, even if the letter choice is strange
<UmbralRaptor>
More of a naive pronounciation of nguyen having an extra syllable and a hard g.
<UmbralRaptor>
Well, some romanizations.
<bofh>
> Christoffel Bucket O' Nitrogens™
<bofh>
this sounds like something out of my nightmares.
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: yeah but that's silly, ng is always [ŋ] :-p
<egg|zzz|egg>
otoh, final consonants are subject to garbling (see that n here)
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: Because symbolic explosions should also be literal explosions.
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: ROFL
<bofh>
this channel is way too good for quotes lately
<bofh>
admittedly, many Mandarin Chinese consonants don't have English equivalents & vice-versa
<Iskierka>
bofh: that doesn't explain using x when, say, sh is an option and actually matches the pronunciation
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: yeah but that's true of a lot of stuff, the french pronunciation of the letter r doesn't have much in the way of equivalents in english
<Iskierka>
wade-giles looks to make a lot more sense, though it much less popular
<bofh>
Iskierka: okay I got nothing for that particular one.
<egg|zzz|egg>
and [e] isn't really a thing in english either
<egg|zzz|egg>
Iskierka: or EFEO for french
<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: depends on the dialect
<bofh>
for [e]
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: ok, with a scottish accent sure
<egg|zzz|egg>
that explains the "king" romanizations
<egg|zzz|egg>
and it matches the viet pronunciation, kinh
<bofh>
yeeeeeeeeep
<bofh>
Cantonese is kind of nuts IMO
<Iskierka>
this is true as a problem with scripts that do not correlate to the pronunciation at all. Japanese has pretty good correlation in romaji but it's probably entirely because it's a phonetic syllabary
<egg|zzz|egg>
but of course in peking it's t͡ɕiŋ which is completely different :D
<Iskierka>
na is always na so they can just transliterate as na
<egg|zzz|egg>
well it's the fun thing with having a script that's used (with variations) for CJKV :D
<egg|zzz|egg>
(where "C" encompasses a whole lot of stuff)
<Iskierka>
yeah can't automate conversion of kanji/hanja/han viet/etc to roman because which of those is it?
<Iskierka>
just for the start
<egg|zzz|egg>
which of the two viet readings of the ideograph is it, even if it's viet? :D
<egg|zzz|egg>
(and of course can't transform back either, at all)
<egg|zzz|egg>
Iskierka: open the first two sections and behold all the ideographs that read "kinh" https://vi.wiktionary.org/wiki/kinh#Ti.E1.BA.BFng_Vi.E1.BB.87t
<Iskierka>
Seems about normal and what IDEs are for :p
<Iskierka>
but those aren't automated
<egg|zzz|egg>
the first section is sino-vietnamese reading, the second is Chữ Nôm :D
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Iskierka
* Qboid
gives Iskierka a tomahawk
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh an Ulthar box
<UmbralRaptor>
Qboid: the handaxe, or the cruise missile?
* UmbralRaptor
signs into a "secret" gmail account that's been associated w/ like 2 things ever.
* UmbralRaptor
had linked in spam.
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: the geometrical tool
<UmbralRaptor>
Like, I only used this account to download anime from Demonoid and the like. o_O
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<kmath>
<bofh453> <@egg|zzz|egg> bofh: the κατάφρακτοι who say ΝΗ! also the Варѧги who say НИ! @eggleroy
<egg|zzz|egg>
!u ѧ
<Qboid>
U+0467 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER LITTLE YUS (ѧ)
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|zzz|egg: Especially the eyes!
<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: LOL
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: like, T only makes sense in a German or French context
<bofh>
also please use little Yus for some symbol in the future :P
<bofh>
Well, yes.
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: it's like those courses I had at ETHZ that said "let K be a field"
<bofh>
b/c Tchebysheff
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: you mean Tschebyscheff, or Tchebycheff, surely
<egg|zzz|egg>
Ч eggspanding to Tsch is fun :-p
<UmbralRaptor>
Or Chebychev. Or…
<bofh>
yeah, that would confuse people in my math classes b/c they have no idea what that means
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: but that doesn't justify calling the polynomials T
<UmbralRaptor>
Tschernobl
<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: sorry, typing/hard/shopping
<bofh>
UmbralRaptor: heh
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: so, people in your math classes can't write fraktur or an aleph and probably not a xi either, shouldn't stop you from using that
<egg|zzz|egg>
Ч is comparatively easy :-p
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: tbh using the right-to-left hebrew letters seems worse than cyrillic (and anyway they are fairly tied to their transfinite meanings)
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: now, using arabic, that would be a bit confusing,
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: but eventually you can just fall back on CJK, or hieroglyphs, or cuneiform, it's hard to run out of symbols :D
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: use the hieroglyphs that gave us A and E for the quantifiers :D
<kmath>
<hitstreak> Hey @UPS, your driver left this package under our door knob like this and trapped us in our apartment. Had to call… https://t.co/x6hlhbZn8g
<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: LOL
<bofh>
clearly we should use CJK for building theory and then decompose into radicals for apartments and the like :P
<egg|zzz|egg>
:D
<bofh>
or heck set inclusion in general.
<bofh>
I mean sure now you need to know stroke order and kangxi radical lists but it's much more compact!
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: well let's be honest, we botch greek handwriting anyway
<egg|zzz|egg>
and let's not speak of how people try to fake fraktur :-p
* bofh
is guilty as charged of botching fraktur all the damn time
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: 貓 is Lipschitz continuous if ?喵≥0,?鼠,?鼡,?(貓鼠,貓鼡)≤喵?(鼠,鼡)
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: seriously though, Ч is a good name for those polynomials (and it's easy to write!)
<egg|zzz|egg>
stabbity I still have some dried electrolyte in my hair
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: yeah I know, we have the same OS and the same IRC client :-p
* UmbralRaptor
? that he'd have to root this phone to install more fonts.
<bofh>
yeah why the fuck do you need root to add fonts on Android? it's utter bullshit.
<Iskierka>
UmbralRaptor has stabbity on highlight?
<Ellied>
bofh: because ttfs are turing-complete and all phones have to be as secure against their own users as the Pentagon is from outside invasion.
<Ellied>
or something.
<Ellied>
(I really, *really* hate this "security against own user" bullshit that seems to be taking center stage in the world of phones)
<bofh>
they're... hm, now that I think about it I don't think I've seen a proof that TTF hinting bytecode is (bounded-)Turing-complete
<bofh>
I think it is, but, like, so far I don't think anyone's proven that or written a brainfuck interpreter in a font's FPGM/PREP routines or whatnot
<egg|zzz|egg>
Iskierka: yes, UmbralRaptor is pinged by stabbity
<bofh>
if TTF hinting bytecode wasn't such an utter unholy pain in the arse to write (it's like Forth, but very slightly worse somehow), I'd try doing so myself.
<Ellied>
I just saw your retweet about that new record for resistive magnet power, and thought "wait a minute, resistive? You mean it's more resistive than inductive?"
* UmbralRaptor
can confirm having stabbity as a stalk word.
<Ellied>
I really need to reroot my phone. the android flavor OnePlus put on it is some shite.
<bofh>
*re*root?
<Ellied>
updates unroot it
<UmbralRaptor>
Updates tend to remove root.
<Ellied>
it's madness
<bofh>
ah
<UmbralRaptor>
WTB a phone that's Debian with a cellular modem.
<bofh>
I have an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery f/w on mine so it's piss-trivial to re-root
<UmbralRaptor>
(Complaining about Debian in favor of another distro is valid)
<Ellied>
oneplus updates wipe out the custom recovery too
<Ellied>
and their recovery won't flash anything that isn't one of their updates
<bofh>
are you *serious*?
<bofh>
granted this is why I just update mabually with stock images
<Ellied>
I griped about that last thing on freenode/##android and got told I was stupid, because *obviously* that's a completely essential security measure
<bofh>
the lack of additional carrier shovelware is a bonus
<bofh>
LOL ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
<bofh>
that's exasperating
<Ellied>
oneplus is good about shovelware, but keeping your device rooted is fucking impossible
<Ellied>
yeah android apologists are the Worst
<bofh>
yeah Motorola seems to be much much better about things.
<Ellied>
there's "I can live with this because it doesn't get in my way" and then there's "Everything about this is absolutely as it should be and you're stupid if it gets in your way"
<bofh>
I just d/l stock images off their site and reflash, it doesn't touch recovery, and they allow bootloader unlocking.
<bofh>
yep. weirdly the Androids are even worse about that than the iPhone folk, which is the exact *opposite* of what I'd expect.
<Ellied>
yeah seriously
<Ellied>
and these are often the same people who actively tinker with their android devices, which compared to tinkering with a Linux PC, is *complete and utter madness*
<bofh>
the thought of tinkering with Android OS fills me with abject distaste and horror and I reverse-engineer Bruker firmware for *fun*.
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Ellied
* Qboid
gives Ellied a frangible zygomorphism
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh an infinite density
* Ellied
strikes Android with the frangible zygomorphism
<Iskierka>
frankly even motorola isn't that smooth for getting such access, I backed off trying to get through the system to root it. But I was going through it on their own website, so they were actively saying "yeah, you can do that, if this isn't too much of a pain"
<bofh>
I remember once I had a phone where the AEC was utterly hosed and I just needed to turn the stupid thing off, but no option was exposed anywhere and this was on a different model phone that was a pain in the ass to root in the first place... eventually decided DESOLDERING THE SECONDARY MICROPHONE AND REPLACING IT WITH A 1KOHM RESISTOR WAS SIMPLER
<bofh>
(it waS)
<bofh>
(it was)*
* UmbralRaptor
still doesn't trust Motorola after his bad experience with the Droid 3.
<UmbralRaptor>
bofh: lol
<Ellied>
jesus
<bofh>
well it's like, either I could disassemble android's audio stack, find where the relevant module is being inserted into it, and recompile the one loading it so it doesn't do that, or I could spend 15 minutes w/a screwdriver & soldering iron.