UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|phone|egg>
Whitequark: rattleback
<UmbralRaptor>
Ooh, those. You can totally make one out of a metal spoon.
<kmath>
<bofh453> In type-I superconducting Nb, but still very cool due to spintronics applications. Also very cool due to Nb's T_c o… https://t.co/0O5Hs2U4nm
<Iskierka>
bofh: since I don't get many notifications whenever I've been reading tweetdeck feeds near them I just see that cat staring at me, for the past two days
<SnoopJeDi>
(inasmuch as you could clip the value when it's assigned and simplify the branching)
<bofh>
Iskierka: which cat?
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: wow, that is astounding
<bofh>
sec
<SnoopJeDi>
As I think about it, I have less issues with the violation of DRY than I do with the "this garbage is way harder to read than it should be"
<SnoopJeDi>
I guess the one influences the other though
<SnoopJeDi>
my seasonal allergies seem particularly strong this year
<SnoopJeDi>
and perhaps even a picture of a cat can induce a psychosomatic sneeze
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<SnoopJeDi>
"And after [Juno's end of mission], Earth won’t have a single emissary to the outer planets."
<SnoopJeDi>
thanks a LOT fivethirtyeight, real shot in the arm
<UmbralRaptor>
='(
<egg|work|egg>
JUICE launch in 2022
<bofh>
SnoopJeDi: yeah I'm really bitter about the lack of launches to the outer planets.
<bofh>
like ice giant orbiter when, ffs?
<UmbralRaptor>
RIP JIMO
<bofh>
unrelated but I am so so so tempted to get the Caturn shirt.
<Iskierka>
hopefully the dragonfly and any supporting mission will be selected and launched by then, even if it only focusses on the most interesting moon
<kmath>
<mikamckinnon> "Many of our models are too simple or just out & out wrong." Nothing makes a scientist happier than finding out model are wrong. -Spilker
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: unless you count 2014 MU₆₉ as a planet... it's pretty 'outer' after all ;)
<SnoopJeDi>
bofh, my favorite from that thread for sure. We don't talk about the scientific value of being dead wrong nearly enough
<SnoopJeDi>
soundnfury, a lovely silver lining!
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: NH probe best probe
<SnoopJeDi>
I think bofh may take umbrage with you, there ;P
<SnoopJeDi>
...huh. I'd never considered it, but "umbrage" is a slightly bizarre word.
<soundnfury>
casting shade?
<soundnfury>
umbrageraptor?
<bofh>
ehh, 2014 MU₆₉ is a worthy target (and maybe it'll get a proper name finally)
<bofh>
like I'm as curious as anyone else is about KBOs since we know so little about them.
<SnoopJeDi>
yea the original meaning is clear enough, it's just a bit interesting that it's wandered into offense (as suspicion of slight)
<SnoopJeDi>
but >expecting language to make sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<bofh>
yeah, indeed. like I interpreted it as "disagreement" tbh, but like I'm not a IAU board member so I don't care.
<bofh>
it's in space, it's a thing, therefore it's interesting :P
<soundnfury>
so bofh what do you think is best probe then, if not NH stronk?
<SnoopJeDi>
huh, I didn't realize the Navy had a direct interest in SOHO, that's awesome
<bofh>
yeah neither did I, really surprised.
<egg|zzz|egg>
!u ₆₉
<Qboid>
U+2086 SUBSCRIPT SIX (₆)
<Qboid>
U+2089 SUBSCRIPT NINE (₉)
<SnoopJeDi>
wow the Pleiades in that image ?
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: ᴺⁱᶜᵉ?
<Iskierka>
the internet introduces you to strange people. Like this person who thinks you can, from only the angle a balance scale sits at and one of the weights, determine the other, with no attempt to, you know, balance it
<SnoopJeDi>
sounds like confusion between balance and spring scales, some kind of mental hybrid
<Iskierka>
Except he thinks *only* this info, no knowledge of the scale, so no knowledge of spring used either
<bofh>
egg|zzz|egg: LOL
<soundnfury>
Iskierka: if you _did_ know stuff about the balance scale you could do it - its mass and how far below the pivot point its com is...
<Iskierka>
having just written out the equations you need the distance between the horizontal and the pivot point, and the half-length of the horizontal
<SnoopJeDi>
I had to disquality a science olympiad team for such a configuration
<SnoopJeDi>
They made a very clever deflection device...for a task where the stated requirement was a balance.
<Iskierka>
having this info is all fine and dandy, but it's not as precise as "are these weights perfectly calibrated, and is that perfectly level?)
<Iskierka>
also, in typical kitchen balance scales, you're more likely to have one based on an internal mechanism that makes both sides stay vertical
<kmath>
<HoagML> @EricHolthaus 100+ mph winds and doing donuts in the parking lot.
<icefire>
lol
<bofh>
oh man this reminds me of the time I got demodulation of my old university's campus police radio trunk going. anyway, one night there was a complaint about "students doing donuts in one of the parking lots"
<bofh>
fastforward a few weeks later and I'm mentioning this offhand to someone I know and a friend of his drops by mid-convo and goes "DONUTS IN THAT PARKING LOT THAT DAY? THAT WAS ME!!! ...who told you anyhow?"
<bofh>
me: "um, I'm just going to pretend I didn't hear you incriminating yourself just now..."
<bofh>
Iskierka: now will someone *finally* implement this?
<icefire>
later schools would mean bus traffic mixed in with rush hour wouldn't it
<icefire>
can't see that going well
<Iskierka>
what confuses me is how it's so early to begin with. Is that actually like, when classes start, or is there some fixed delay before that?
<Iskierka>
they seem to think it takes busses away from rush hour
<Iskierka>
as they mention reduced crashes
<soundnfury>
bofh: get real, they can't even manage to scrap DST
<soundnfury>
Iskierka: I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was to force students to have breakfast in school canteens instead of being fed at home
<Iskierka>
... that seems silly
<SnoopJeDi>
I wonder a lot about public education
<SnoopJeDi>
specifically in the US
<Iskierka>
here school starts at 9 with usually a rought 15 minute registration that individual schools may be more or less lenient about when during you can arrive in
<Iskierka>
(15 minutes prior to 9. 9 is when actual schooling starts)
<Iskierka>
no period for breakfast
<SnoopJeDi>
there's just so much going on with it and so much of it is wrong :|
* SnoopJeDi
states the obvious
<bofh>
^
<soundnfury>
Iskierka: oh also part of the reason why they do that is so that they can feed the students heavy carb loads which makes them docile
<soundnfury>
(because progressives never met a creepy social-engineering program they didn't like)
<SnoopJeDi>
the way food and school intersect makes my blood boil
<Iskierka>
... srsly?
<bofh>
soundnfury: [[Citation Needed]] on heavy carb loads somehow making one docile (I'm pretty sure they just do that b/c it's cheap, lack of nutritional value be damned)
<Iskierka>
like guaranteeing food sounds good in a way with all the kids in poverty in the US but if they're then just turning it around into that
<soundnfury>
bofh: I cannot remember where I read this, and I agree it sounds a bit, uh, tinfoil-hattish
<SnoopJeDi>
the literature on carb intake and fatigue is a bit muddled
<SnoopJeDi>
not sure about cognitive abilities or anything like that, but I don't think any such nutritional tooth-faries are necessary
<soundnfury>
but it's not like we know a damn thing about nutrition anyway
<SnoopJeDi>
"the system provides" is enough to demonstrate the point
<SnoopJeDi>
it's not any less creepy in countries where they serve *excellent* meals, to soundnfury's tack on the point
<SnoopJeDi>
just maybe a bit more socially responsible
<soundnfury>
^^ yeah, that too. "Look to the nice government men for your every need, children!"
<soundnfury>
in the unlikely event that I ever have children, they will not go to state-run schools, ruat cœlum
<SnoopJeDi>
Whenever I've thought about raising a homunculus, I've arrived at "private is probably best" and I'm very uncomfortable with it
<soundnfury>
consider homeschooling. You're probably smarter than most teachers anyway.
<soundnfury>
now if you'll excuse me, this probe won't enter lunar orbit by itself (because keplerian orbits are recurrent, and physics is time-symmetric)
<SnoopJeDi>
oh I have for sure, I just can't justify the prognosis for the social bits to myself
<SnoopJeDi>
probably much ado about nothing, any kid I raise will have the big part of the SES wishbone and as long as I don't poison their natural curiosity, they'll learn just fine in even public school
<SnoopJeDi>
(that one study of literacy in Baltimore public schools that showed the reading gap wasn't an in-school issue messed me up)
<soundnfury>
Let me put it this way. A world where fundamentals indoctrinate their kids scares me a lot less than a world where the government indoctrinates everyone's kids.
<SnoopJeDi>
hah, fair 'nuff
<soundnfury>
So even if I stipulate that there's a population-average probability that I'm one of the fundamentals who "shouldn't" be allowed to take their kids out of school, I still come out ahead on average ;)
<soundnfury>
and, you might not poison their natural curiosity, but most public schools are toxicology departments
<SnoopJeDi>
I don't disagree
<SnoopJeDi>
It profoundly disturbs me that we incentivize the best people right out of the system :/
<SnoopJeDi>
but on the whole I think I fall on the belief that attitude and affluence are the strongest determinants by far
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: actually I think the strongest determinants of all are genetic
* soundnfury
mumbles something about Ashkenazim and Nobel Prizes
<SnoopJeDi>
on the basis of schmaltz alone, you might be onto something
<bofh>
there's a *strong* tradition of education and comparative openmindedness that leads many of them to greatly value schooling & do a lot of it, you have to separate out that from genes. and that's not straightforward to account for.
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, not at all (and even if it were, it's not actionable except by...well, you know.)
<bofh>
yeeeeeeep
<soundnfury>
bofh: I didn't say it was straightforward
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: I also didn't say it was actionable!
<bofh>
my point is there are confounding factors in any such claim that are very hard to separate out
<SnoopJeDi>
indeed you didn't
<soundnfury>
(well, except in the sense that you shouldn't expect equal opportunity to lead to equal outcomes, and therefore unequal outcomes are not prima facie evidence of systemic discrimination)
<soundnfury>
(but that's obvious unless you *know* there's no genetic component, I think?)
* soundnfury
gives SnoopJeDi an Oceanus Procol Harum
<Iskierka>
given I recall there have been studies of separated twin adoptions that demonstrate identical genetics have massively different outcomes, I'd blame a lot more on nurture rather than nature
<Iskierka>
only in the most extreme cases where it's likely compounded with bad nurture anyway would I say nature is definitely a factor
<SnoopJeDi>
I wouldn't go that far, personally. Strong dispositions for depression, say, obviously portend poorly for education outcomes (well, intuitively, for all intuition is worth).
<SnoopJeDi>
Or social aggression or...
<Iskierka>
Perhaps. But wide variance across the population, rather than something more resembling a bell curve, indicates large variance in nurture by area or other factor
<SnoopJeDi>
Probably the #1 thing that aggravates me about organized education is how by-the-wayside the necessary meta-skills become. Empathy, mindfulness, etc., are at best absent and at worst stigmatized
<SnoopJeDi>
yea Iskierka, it just doesn't seem to be a first-order contributor
<soundnfury>
Well, all I can say is, my family has both a strong trend for mental disorders and a tendency to produce smart folks
<Iskierka>
family trends are often not genetic, though
<Iskierka>
ex. the types of diabetes. The one that's related to diet more has stronger familial connection
<SnoopJeDi>
heh, type 2 diabetes
* SnoopJeDi
has opinions
<soundnfury>
well, whichever the explanation is, the common factor has to come through my mother, because my half-sister grew up in a different household to me and we both (a) have Aspergers and (b) read maths at Cambridge
<soundnfury>
and (c) have suffered from episodes of depression
<soundnfury>
now (a) is most probably either genetic, epigenetic or prenatal-environment, (a) and (b) are obviously very strongly connected, though (c) could be a result of our upbringing having messed us up somehow
<soundnfury>
case studies are hard
<soundnfury>
... hunh. According to Google, the Internet has never before made the joke "Oceanus Procol Harum". I feel strangely validated.
<soundnfury>
What kind of cars do lunar policemen drive?
<SnoopJeDi>
to the link between (b) and (c) there is always Hemingway: "Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."
<soundnfury>
Black maria.
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: heh, fair point.
<SnoopJeDi>
I don't really agree with the sentiment, but I can totally see where it originates
<soundnfury>
though tbh I think that really intelligence often manifests a subclinical bipolarity
<egg|zzz|egg>
UmbralRaptor: I am differentiably mapped into a molybdenum crystal, and the differential is surjective?
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|zzz|egg: yes. And you can multiply kotya with lox.
<FluffyFoxeh>
SnoopJeDi: Can you elaborate? What do you think of the sentiment and where do you think it originates?
<FluffyFoxeh>
I've found that quote intriguing myself
<SnoopJeDi>
FluffyFoxeh, I just don't think the dark brooking intellectual is an idea that's very grounded in reality. Not on any empirical basis, just anecdotally I know or know of a bunch of well-enough adjusted smart folks
<SnoopJeDi>
it's filed adjacent to the "all smart people are completely autistic" mythos
<SnoopJeDi>
but I think it originates in the capacity that being "intelligent" involves a lot of metacognition and so it's not suuuper surprising that this class of people may fall into ruminating thoughts? I dunno, my thoughts on it aren't very sharp
<FluffyFoxeh>
yeah, that makes sense
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<whitequark>
fuck metacognition
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<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn whitequark and котя
* Qboid
gives whitequark and котя a radio snake
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<soundnfury>
!wpn e_14159
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gives e_14159 an achromatic modem which vaguely resembles a |raw⟩
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a pharmacy-like muffin
<SnoopJeDi>
whitequark++
<SnoopJeDi>
Although learning a bit more about the neuroscience of attention (bottom-up and top-down dichotomy in particular) has made me appreciate it for what it does for us a bit more
<soundnfury>
(seen in SSC comments: "The more I learn about [genetics and epigenetics] the more I feel that genes are like some string that, by miracle, cryptographically hashes into a valid program.")
<SnoopJeDi>
hah!
<Iskierka>
sounds accurate
<egg|zzz|egg>
bofh: ah nevermind, depakote is also a thing elsewhere apparently, but it's valproate semisodium rather than sodium valproate & valproic acid
<egg|zzz|egg>
brand names are a mess
* SnoopJeDi
read SSC as "superconducting supercollider" at first >_>
<egg|zzz|egg>
oh, there's эта хуйня in the background of that котяпic