UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|zzz|egg> D: using rotating axes to express a velocity in an inertial frame D:
<rqou> i guess???
<egg|zzz|egg> D: Δ: Д: 刀:
<rqou> and then the next step they do is because Rdot_{AB}R^{-1}_{AB} is skew-symmetric they undo the "hat" operator and replace it with a vector just for lulz
<rqou> although i have no idea what it would be a vector _of_
<rqou> but i guess it makes the "bag of numbers" smaller??? :P
<egg|zzz|egg> that might just be the angular velocity of A wrt B multiplied by time or somesuch (back to the usual SO(3) and so(3) stuff, see that discussion last time)
<egg|zzz|egg> they wrote that hat iirc
<rqou> i thought the angular velocity is supposed to be v_q_a or v_q_b
<rqou> i mean, it's called "v" after all??
<rqou> hmm, and then the slides repeat the whole exercise again with SE(3) rather than SO(3)
<rqou> and then all of a sudden there are circles in red and blue for some reason
<rqou> and finally on slide 21/95 there is yet another overload of the term "adjoint" that can somehow convert between the two velocities
* egg|zzz|egg goto zzz and leaves further egyptology to bofh
<rqou> egg|zzz|egg: at some point i would really like if you can explain this all from scratch using tensors
<rqou> and not whatever is happening here
<egg|zzz|egg> I'd need some help from bofh there too, I'm not good at eggsplaining the universal property
<egg|zzz|egg> (but there's more to this than tensors, it's full of Lie groups! you need differential geometry! :D)
<rqou> meanwhile "machine learning people" just treat tensors as "this bag of numbers is bigger!"
<rqou> :P
<bofh> oh wow these slides are a mess :/
<rqou> um, thanks?
<bofh> like the way the material is conveyed is confusing to me, but that could just be the fact that I never understood this material well in the first place.
<rqou> well, guess what? i don't understand it either :P :P
<rqou> whelp, i'm going to get started on homework problem 1 because it turns out that you don't need to understand what's going on to solve that
<rqou> you can just blindly crunch through some algebra
<rqou> (yes, this is also a sign that the material isn't the best-designed)
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<SnoopJeDi> bofh, even more mind-blowing to me is that ISR is probably why the US lost accelerator supremacy
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: oh?
<SnoopJeDi> I haven't really read into it that much, but the way my advisor tells it, nobody in power in the US gave enough credit to Carlo Rubbia's thoughts on stochastic cooling
<SnoopJeDi> (which was first implemented at ISR)
<SnoopJeDi> that's the first "writing on the wall" moment I'm really aware of for the US's lead in the field
<bofh> Ahh. Yeah, that makes sense.
<bofh> Also it's eerie how many of these $INSTITUTION loses lead in $field started out with "fairly remarkable discovery made and was never implemented due to higher-ups ignoring it"
<SnoopJeDi> it's a rough pitch when the machines cost so much and create such bulky institutions :/
<UmbralRaptor> ISR?
<SnoopJeDi> !acr -add:ISR Intersecting Storage Rings
<Qboid> SnoopJeDi: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<SnoopJeDi> (world's first head-on pew-pew)
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: that is true, I mean a typical particle accelerator prolly has costs *starting* in the low billions for manufacture.
<SnoopJeDi> certainly a tip-top hadron collider, yea. finished cost of the LHC dipoles was $7B
<SnoopJeDi> EIC is shaking out to be something like $300M I think? It's not super clear yet
<SnoopJeDi> (and either concept relies on a lot of existing capital, since CEBAF and RHIC are already built)
* SnoopJeDi glances at FCC field requirement
<Ellied> does the LHC host x-ray physics experiments? my prof was talking about how x-ray physics was started by folks leeching off the x-rays from bending magnets (and later insertion devices) of machines mainly designed for high-energy experiments, and it was only much later that they finally went off and built their very own synchrotrons
<SnoopJeDi> I don't think so Ellied but I couldn't say for sure
<SnoopJeDi> There are a lot of dedicated synchrotrons by now, and then there's FEL sources too which are the new hotness
<SnoopJeDi> SASE is all people want to talk about :)
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<Ellied> FELs are great if you actually need the intensity and don't mind the low rep rate. A few people who spoke at my uni have talked about how those kinds of sources would take forever to collect any data compared to a synchrotron and would also probably blow up the sample without stupid amounts of filters in the way
<SnoopJeDi> that's true, yea
<SnoopJeDi> I don't think the stuff LHC is optimized for (i.e. it's all about luminosity) plays very well into x-ray needs
<Ellied> yeah that makes sense
<Ellied> big heavy things with not a lot of charge:mass, relatively speaking
<SnoopJeDi> synchrotron damping definitely helps them out though
<SnoopJeDi> ...although coherent synchrotron radiation can induce instabilities so I guess it's a crapshoot
<kmath> <gutenberg_new> New #ebook @gutenberg_org: The Genetic Effects of Radiation by Isaac Asimov and Theodosius Dobzhansky https://t.co/KekYvf4qkt
<FluffyFoxeh> vorp
<Ellied> god freenode/##linux is vitriolic right now
<Ellied> came in to ask a question about syslogd (off to a bad start, I know) and it's a completely shameless nerd-slapfight feat. slurs and overt racism
<SnoopJeDi> i-is it ever not vitriolic?
<Ellied> I mean, I feel like it was often enough for me to get the idea that I could find answers there at some point in the past??
<awang> My first ballistic capture-ish: https://imgur.com/a/ccsfy
<awang> Idea for ejection orbit shape stolen from http://ccar.colorado.edu/geryon/papers/Misc/Parker_Thesis.pdf
<SnoopJeDi> Very nice
<SnoopJeDi> would make a cool write-up
<awang> SnoopJeDi: Wish I thought of that earlier... Too late now :(
<awang> Not to mention idk what exactly I'd put in the write-up
<awang> I didn't exactly find this in an interesting way
<SnoopJeDi> I think there are probably plenty of people who would enjoy a simplified digest of ballistic capture along with a mission (I know I would!)
<SnoopJeDi> But I guess the concept is a bit...mathematical in nature?
<awang> I'll give it a shot next time
<awang> Don't expect too much though :P
<SnoopJeDi> :)
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<rqou> woot i completed my problem set even though i don't understand a thing
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<egg|phone|egg> Awang, what does it look like in the emb frame
<awang> egg|phone|egg: idk
<awang> Computer crashed, so can't pull it up at the moment :(
<egg|phone|egg> Rotating frames are nice for transfers
<awang> I'll have it in a bit
<awang> I actually did this pretty much all in ECI and MCI
<awang> ECI until I see something similar to the images in the paper
<awang> MCI to fine-tune lunar apsides
<awang> If I remember what I saw from the few times I took a look at EMB the path was really weird
<awang> Lots of circles around the lunar orbit before intercepting the moon again
<awang> I still need to learn how to do this properly
<awang> Supposedly you should be able to get a 100km polar orbit for ~600 m/s
<awang> But I ended up passing over the poles at over 2000 m/s
<awang> I'll start KSP again after banging my head against this Principia SIGILL
<awang> KSP doesn't like make -j 8 :(
<egg|phone|egg> Also try ecsa or something since you're going to earth sun l1
<awang> ECSA?
<egg|zzz|egg> earth-centred sun aligned (couldn't come up with a decent name for that one)
<awang> Oh, is that the bottom option?
<egg|zzz|egg> awang: re that sigill, did you change the makefile? I still don't get how you get that while lamont's build works
<awang> I was wondering what that was for
<awang> egg|zzz|egg: I have changed it, but IIRC I get it even with a fresh checkout
<awang> Hold on, let me try again
<awang> Only difference I can think of is that lamont was building on 10.11 (I think?)
<awang> I'm on 10.13
<awang> Yep, SIGILL with clean git checkout
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<UmbralRaptor> I think this one went so fast it melted? https://twitter.com/diodebot/status/918771737935908864
<kmath> <diodebot> Cherenkov-Lorentz switching puddle of diode
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<egg|work|egg> !u Σ
<Qboid> U+03A3 GREEK CAPITAL LETTER SIGMA (Σ)
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<rqou> egg|zzz|egg: so, i finally harassed the TA enough (and completed the problem set enough) that i vaguely understand what was happening in my robotics course
<rqou> so now all i need is "how to think aobut this is a sane way"
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<kmath> <astronomolly> .@RisaWechsler: Sandy Faber called it https://t.co/jeIUX1Vf2Y
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a symbolic COME FROM which vaguely resembles a GIF
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn котя
* Qboid gives котя a critical clowder
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn порошок.unwrap_or(эта_хуйня)
* Qboid gives порошок.unwrap_or(эта_хуйня) a metabotropic superuser
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a moral crow
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an imaginary NaN
<egg|zzz|egg> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<egg|zzz|egg> (no my keyboard isn't stuck)
<egg|zzz|egg> (it's just the prospect of imaginary NaN)
<bofh> that's a thing, NAN * _Complex_I
<rqou> dual quaternions with NaNs :P
<rqou> sNaN*epsilon*k
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: but clearly you should store your complexes in polar form, so you can have directed NaNs
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: or NaN-directed numbers with a well-defined absolute value :D
<rqou> oh yeah, why do dual quaternions work?
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<rqou> wow, all i ever see you do is nomz and zzz :P
<rqou> i guess that's how timezones work
<kmath> <astronomolly> MacFayden: what's more fun than solving the equations of hydrodynamics? Solving the equations of relativistic magne… https://t.co/9EOYg3NxI3
<SnoopJeDi> ‼fun‼
<Iskierka> Given that atomic interactions are the electromagnetic force, aren't all hydrodynamics magnetohydrodynamics?
<SnoopJeDi> fluids are a pretty poor model for anything atom-scale, although nuclear matter is amenable to that sort of model (a la the liquid drop model of the nucleus)
<SnoopJeDi> (plasma vs generally-neutral matter blah blah)
<Iskierka> but viscosity *is* fundamentally an electromagnetic effect
<SnoopJeDi> physical viscosity, sure
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, did you read https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/918707749134802945 because I think you'll like it.
<kmath> <whitequark> I don't know who showed me this wonderful story about Sumerian, academia, and love, but it's wonderful https://t.co/EK252iMGO0
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: I think I RTed it? :P But yes, it was quite amazing. Would love to read more in a similar vein tbh.
<SnoopJeDi> SAME
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<kmath> <tsunamino> The sunset over SF is something out of a dystopian sci-fi novel. https://t.co/YOpagcffnI
<SnoopJeDi> goodness
<SnoopJeDi> oh wow, JLab had a compressor fire
<bofh> fuck
<SnoopJeDi> looks like it was well controlled and the compressor is stable at 4K
<SnoopJeDi> they have *really* good ES&H culture and use email very effectively
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a hydromatic bifurcation
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn rqou
* Qboid gives rqou a bottom graviton Kerbal
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a neutron
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a PowerPoint decomposition
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<bofh> https://gimletmedia.com/episode/104-case-phantom-caller/ wow, this is a novel form of phone fraud
<egg|nomz|egg> whitequark: how are the cats doing
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a composite register
<UmbralRaptor> ;choose install Oreo|Stay with N
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: install Oreo
<UmbralRaptor> !choose install Oreo|Stay with N
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Your options are: install Oreo, Stay with N. My choice: Stay with N
<UmbralRaptor> eggchoose install Oreo|Stay with N
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<kmath> <astronomolly> van Dokkum shares wow low surface brightness image of Sombrero Galaxy from 1970s https://t.co/dhPlILCK8k
<rqou> !wpn egg|nomz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|nomz|egg a triangle
<rqou> egg|nomz|egg: now that i've figured out the hieroglyphics, when might you have time to explain to me what is "actually happening" in my lecture notes i showed you?
<rqou> because now i understand all the notation and mechanical operations
<rqou> just not any actual idea about what is happening
<rqou> also, thanks Qboid for just giving a plain old triangle
<rqou> how boring
<UmbralRaptor> hieroglyphics as in the writing system with 40+ birds?
<rqou> hieroglyphics as in "this course abuses notation and makes egg|nomz|egg very stabbity"
<UmbralRaptor> These are not mutually exclusive.
<bofh> I'unno, notation with 40+ birds sounds like it'd be clearer than some things I've seen in the past.
<rqou> no, no birds
<rqou> just lots of dots, hats, and "v"s
<bofh> https://mobile.twitter.com/diodebot/status/918957452040835073 damnit why are the diodes out of zalgo
<kmath> <diodebot> z͔̥̦a͎̬̭͙̳̥l̯̭̦̬̩g͓̗̹o̰̗̬̯̰̬̝!-depleted explosive diode
<UmbralRaptor> There's plenty of ζαℓg๑, but it's all behind the wall.
<UmbralRaptor> Waiting…
<kmath> YouTube - All Star but it's played on two calculators
<FluffyFoxeh> a triangle is probably the first thing Qboid has given anyone where I understand all the words
<FluffyFoxeh> :p
<soundnfury> !wpn FluffyFoxeh
* Qboid gives FluffyFoxeh a nefarious walrus
<soundnfury> have fun with that xD
<FluffyFoxeh> oh I understand these words
<FluffyFoxeh> and i am frighten
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn FluffyFoxeh
* Qboid gives FluffyFoxeh a Chomskyan interregnum
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn soundnfury
* Qboid gives soundnfury a median ℻
<kmath> YouTube - Judges Suspect She Lip Sync & Demand her to Stop. What She Did Shock The Judges.
<FluffyFoxeh> much clickbait title
<egg|nomz|egg> I1013 01:05:59.770622 4352 plugin.cpp:167] System fingerprint is 54B6323B3376D6F3
<egg|nomz|egg> W1013 01:05:59.775635 4352 plugin.cpp:171] This appears to be the dreaded KSP stock system!
<egg|nomz|egg> I1013 01:05:59.775635 4352 plugin.cpp:179] System fingerprint after stabilization is B57B58F9CF757C62
<egg|nomz|egg> I1013 01:05:59.775635 4352 plugin.cpp:185] This is the stabilized KSP system, all hail retrobop!
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: retrobop!
<bofh> all hail retrobop indeed.
* UmbralRaptor hails!
* UmbralRaptor stares at Oreo. Why are the emoji iOSified?
<UmbralRaptor> RIP blobs =(
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> who the heck called it "replacing all existing computer arithmetic with a single universal number format" and not "e pluribus unum"
<UmbralRaptor> egg: I thought that was a mystery cult?
<UmbralRaptor> >_>;;
<UmbralRaptor> Also, why do a bunch of default icons now have giant white borders?
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a venetian lavatory
<egg|nomz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an avalanche light-emitting katana
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<egg|zzz|egg> <bofh> I'unno, notation with 40+ birds sounds like it'd be clearer than some things I've seen in the past. << I want that
<UmbralRaptor> … am I an RPG character now?
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: use the ox head hieroglyph as the universal quantifier, it's the right side up too
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: ?
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: with the light-emitting avalanche katana.
* egg|zzz|egg doesn't get it
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: so a friend once (no joke) used Eye of Horus as an identifier in an intro to linalg lecture he gave.
<bofh> something something ran out of letters.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: glowing swords, and swords with weird effects are a thing in some RPGs.
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: eggcelent.
* egg|zzz|egg doesn't understand what is meant by bus number https://twitter.com/Newpa_Hasai/status/918507045598498816
<kmath> <Newpa_Hasai> Hypothesis: a correctly run research institute has a bus number ≫ its headcount.
<rqou> isn't that "number of people that would need to be hit by a bus for the project to fail?"
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: what about the ネコバス number,
<UmbralRaptor> rqou: Yep. see also FluffyFoxeh's link.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: That's the same number, but you write it in kanji.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn котя
* Qboid gives котя a well-tempered /kick
<bofh> !u ?????
<Qboid> U+44444 (?)
<Qboid> U+55555 (?)
<Qboid> U+66666 (?)
<Qboid> U+77777 (?)
<Qboid> U+88888 (?)
* bofh glares at @FakeUnicode
<UmbralRaptor> uh
<kmath> <FakeUnicode> @chordbug ?????
<UmbralRaptor> Hah!
<icefire> guess I need to make a script to convert mobile to desktop links
<egg|zzz|egg> !u ʕಠᴥಠʔ
<Qboid> U+0295 LATIN LETTER PHARYNGEAL VOICED FRICATIVE (ʕ)
<Qboid> U+0CA0 KANNADA LETTER TTHA (ಠ)
<Qboid> U+1D25 LATIN LETTER AIN (ᴥ)
<Qboid> U+0CA0 KANNADA LETTER TTHA (ಠ)
<Qboid> U+0294 LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP (ʔ)
<bofh> icefire: I use mobile twitter on desktop b/c it uses about 10% the RAM of full twitter IME.
<icefire> thats fine
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<egg|zzz|egg> icefire: yeah that converter would be a useful feature
<egg|zzz|egg> Iskierka: maybe make kmath do that
<icefire> well I was just going to make it a hexchat script for myself >_>
<icefire> it would get a little spammy with kmath converting the link and printing the tweet
<egg|zzz|egg> well it could do both in one message
* egg|zzz|egg is getting annoyed at hexchat for having shitty input method support
* egg|zzz|egg should go hunting for IRC clients again
<icefire> yeah its IME support is kind of bad.
<Iskierka> pretty sure IRC packet size is such that even with a twitter link + 280 character message + username + media link you could list the whole thing
<icefire> I could but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a long ugly message
<icefire> max length in this server is 512 bytes
* egg|zzz|egg stares at котяpics
<bofh> I think the spec mandates 512 (or 768, not sure).
<egg|zzz|egg> cute cat is cute
<bofh> Mind you, that's 512 for the whole thing, incl. the "PRIVMSG #kspacademia :" bit
<Iskierka> that would only be hittable with a 280 tweet using unicode for most or all of it
<bofh> actually I think a 280 tweet might be able to exceed that on its own if it's entirely comprised of unicode chars that decompose to utf-8 sequences of 3 or 4 bytes.
<icefire> sounds like a p99 imo. Don't think a lot of people will be spewing max length 日本語 tweets any time soon
<bofh> I *believe* that 280 is still arbitrarily restricted to anything below U+1200 or something (or rather, "CJKV" counts as double, inexplicably).
<Iskierka> bofh: it still holds that a 140 would struggle to at best :p
<icefire> I'll cut the length down to make sure kmath doesn't upset the server though
<bofh> icefire: ehh, it'll just get clipped.
<icefire> well the bot framework im using actually splits it into multiple messages
<icefire> I don't want that to happen though
<Iskierka> will the framework let you convert into bytes that you can count the length of for truncation?
<icefire> no the language can do that
<bofh> icefire: I run into this issue all the time b/c of my habit of typing really long, overly verbose lines, to the point where I actually have a script that splits such messages over multiple lines. And yeah, if your bot framework does that, you *might* want to clip those then. Tho I honestly think that dumping the full tweet over two lines might still be beneficial - I know it's saved me from having to
<Iskierka> more or less what I meant
<bofh> actually bother clicking a good amount of the time.
<Iskierka> hexchat does that automatically
<icefire> what client are you using that doesn't break up those messages for you?
<bofh> irssi requires a script to do so but the script is pretty damn trivial. :P
<icefire> mmm
<Iskierka> I don't know why I didn't expect the "running on FreeBSD" part
<bofh> Also while we're on that topic, thoughts on upon paste of a link that is not twitter or youtube or w/e, that you grab the page and print whatever's in the <title></title> part of the returned html? I know other channels that have bots that do this and it does seem fairly handy, but perhaps others'd find that annoying?
<egg|zzz|egg> we tend to like bots (#bottorture is a nice place to test them)
<kmath> <kenklippenstein> Computer, find the most grotesque reminder possible that we live in an unmitigated dystopia https://t.co/GuIjqCwY7F
<icefire> I don't think I want kmath printing link headers
<icefire> it certainly wouldn't be popular in some other channels its in
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<bofh> fair, tho I'd expect that turning parts of its capabilities on and off per-channel should be possible?
<icefire> it's possible, I don't have a generalized framework for it. Should probably get around to that, two other plugins for the bot have their own implementations