UmbralRaptor changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> … one of the other grad students just compared me to nomal O_o | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -add:CDLI Cuneiform Digital Library Institute
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -remove:CLDI
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I removed the explanation for CLDI
<egg|zzz|egg> spelling is hard
<bofh> oops. I misread it as well.
<bofh> Ahh, but no C, I take it? (Are there Sumerian phonemes transliterated as 'c', even?)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: well that's a different concern, we'll be done with the C releases eventually anyway (Chasles this week, 陈景润, Chevalley, Christoffel, Clifford, Cohen, Coxeter, Cramer)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: but how do you write the names of naburimannu or kidinnu? hard to find the texts
<hattivat> bofh: Sumerian had a voiceless alveloar fricative, which many languages would spell as c
<egg|zzz|egg> "If a man’s nails are long, he will not be talkative."
<hattivat> it also had velar plosives, which could be spelt c if one followed the English convention
<egg|zzz|egg> ~transliteration is a mess~
<hattivat> one word: pinyin
<hattivat> I watched a talk about xgboost today, and the speaker's name was tianqi
<egg|zzz|egg> for sorting principia releases we try to find something semidecent and lossless, then sort that way (stripping diacritics)
<hattivat> I don't think I need to tell you how an English 'master of ceremony' pronounced that when introducing him
<egg|zzz|egg> which is why Чебышёв was before Cesàro which is before Chasles
<egg|zzz|egg> (ISO 9)
<hattivat> lossless is an awesome word to use when talking about scripts :D
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: ISO 9 is lossless
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: we had to forego that to sort 陈景润 tho :-p)
<egg|zzz|egg> (it's sorted at the pinyin transliteration)
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: I'm not doubting that, just making an abstract ovservation
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: it's Fun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9#ISO_9:1995.2C_or_GOST_7.79_System_A
<bofh> hattivat: ahh, that'd doit.
<kmath> <bofh453> <@egg|zzz|egg> bofh: the κατάφρακτοι who say ΝΗ! also the Варѧги who say НИ! @eggleroy
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: I smell medieval: total war
<hattivat> also, Monthy Python, but that one's obvious
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: nah, mostly I was reading Norwich's history of Byzantium
<hattivat> I've just realized that ΝΗ / НИ is mirrored, awesome effect
<egg|zzz|egg> (the trilogy, not the Short History)
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: yeah that was the context of that conversation
<hattivat> I see
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: and descended from the other too, by rotation
<egg|zzz|egg> hurried monks leaning their horizontals leftwards? :-p
<hattivat> also, I am jelous of your superpower of zzzzing while doing other things, days are too short for me to read a three-tome history book nowadays T_T
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: haha
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: tbh that took me ages to get through, I read most of it on vacation in viet nam
<bofh> 00:21 <@egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: and descended from the other too, by rotation
<bofh> 00:21 <@egg|zzz|egg> hurried monks leaning their horizontals leftwards? :-p
<bofh> that's the only plausible explanation I can think of for that happenstance, tbh.
<egg|zzz|egg> (I think I might have started the first book on another vacation in viet nam even? or am I mixing up with the history of the popes by the same author)
<hattivat> I see
<hattivat> my 'reading' nowadays is mostly in the form of audiobooks, since I can consume those on my daily walks
<egg|zzz|egg> I should get back to reading Pantagruel
<egg|zzz|egg> it's eggstremely silly :-p
<hattivat> I have read it while in middle school
<hattivat> half of it probably went over my head, should probably re-read it now
<hattivat> same with the adventures of good soldier Svejk and a few other context-heavy books
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: also icymi changelog for the upcoming release https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/wiki/Change-Log#chasles
<hattivat> I have to try that new KSP 1.3 one day
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* UmbralRaptor ? UmbralRaptor in the reading comprehension.
<kmath> <0xabad1dea> I'm playing dwarf fortress again and uh apparently one of the werefoxes killed five people with... uh... his shirt? https://t.co/ZXfTh0Yh9X
<egg|zzz|egg> (via Fiora)
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: should I play some nomal? or sleep
<egg|zzz|egg> it's 2:35
<egg|zzz|egg> !choose sanity|DF
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Your options are: sanity, DF. My choice: sanity
<egg|zzz|egg> ;choose sanity|DF
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: sanity
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<UmbralRaptor> RaptorChoose: DF
<hattivat> if you want to random forest this shit, two bots are not enough, egg|zzz|egg ;)
<kmath> <TheQueenInGlory> when you are really, REALLY embarrassed by your old work https://t.co/fh6lUo9nGC
* UmbralRaptor somehow went right through Goldstein's derivation of effective potentials without realizing. Yay for Wikipedia?
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: I wonder how many votes UmbralRaptor gets compared to the bots
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: that depends on the weights you apply, I guess?
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: nice.
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: that alien tweet?
<bofh> no, working thru Goldstein's derivation of effective potentials by accident :P
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: Not as nice as you're thinking. =\
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<kmath> https://twitter.com/ae_phillips/status/912616067318599680 <ae_phillips> @BMatB @martin_costello In reciprocal space, no one can hear you scream.
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<UmbralRaptor> On the up side, finally got far enough in that problem to see Yukawa potentials being weird.
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn -add:adj Yukawa
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Adjective already added!
<bofh> Hey, Yukawa potentials are nice & simple.
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<UmbralRaptor> Well, compared to the supercomputer devouring nightmares that show up in solid state physics, sure.
<bofh> My kingdom for an analytic solution to the t-J model, seriously.
<bofh> AND THAT ONE'S NOT EVEN THAT NASTY AS FAR AS HAMILTONIANS GO.
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<kmath> <dril_grc> τίς δήποτε ἀνακράζιε "ΑΠΑΛΛΑΓΗΘΙ" πρὸς τὴν οἰκίαν μου. ἐκφάνηθι, ὦ δειλέ. οὐ μήποτ ἀπαλλαγῶ https://t.co/bl94Djy0kZ
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: blargh I have no idea how to get my hands on "Astronomical Cuneiform Texts"
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<e_14159> egg|zzz|egg: maybe in the International Clay Journal for Star Gazing?
<e_14159> egg|zzz|egg: Pretty sure that doesn't actually exist.
<egg|zzz|egg> oh there's a copy of the 1983 edition in eth too
<e_14159> NEBIS is eth?
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<egg|zzz|egg> e_14159: nah, but NEBIS knows about various swiss libraries
<APlayer> Hi!
<APlayer> Ellied: Are you online and have a minute? It's not urgent at all.
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<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: argblarg there is no image of the colophon Zka (which mentions ki-di-nu) http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=3605724&partId=1&searchText=45849&page=1
<egg|zzz|egg> but p. 23 of ACT does have a transliteration so there's that
* egg|zzz|egg stares at wikipedia's List of cuneiform signs
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: what is ACT? Akkadian Corpus something?
<egg|zzz|egg> "GAL.KINDA" ?
<egg|zzz|egg> (is there a sumerogram GREENING)
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: astronomical cuneiform texts
<hattivat> oh, I see
<egg|zzz|egg> so then from that colophon it would be ????
<egg|zzz|egg> (note that noto is probably all kinds of wrong for that time period but that's another issue)
<egg|zzz|egg> !u ???
<Qboid> U+121A0 CUNEIFORM SIGN KI (?)
<Qboid> U+12077 CUNEIFORM SIGN DIN (?)
<Qboid> U+12261 CUNEIFORM SIGN NU (?)
<egg|zzz|egg> transcription in ACT of Zka. starts with ^1 te-ir-si-tu4 sza2 ^I Ki-din-nu
<hattivat> ok, time for library genesis I guess
<hattivat> I presume the reason you are hunting for colophones is to have a cuneiform-script Principia release? ;d
<egg|zzz|egg> of course :D
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: yeah, that's how I got p. 23 of ACT (tbh I could also just go to the ETH library, they have ACT)
<hattivat> ok, I have the book, cthulhu bless the russian pirates
<hattivat> also, it's from fucking 1955, shouldn't it already be free?
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: sadly I can't find a good way to have a kannada release, there was ಭಾಸ್ಕರ ೨ but that would have been a B release
<hattivat> what about Telugu or Malayalam?
<hattivat> or was Kannada some standard language for Southern Indian science?
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: I think സംഗമഗ്രാമ മാധവ would be a nice release name
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: also, have you watched Finkel's arc talk?
<hattivat> s/arc/ark
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: egg|zzz|egg: also, have you watched Finkel's ark talk?
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah
<egg|zzz|egg> also a boardgame talk he gave in india
* egg|zzz|egg stares at the proliferation of scripts in india
<hattivat> he also has a short intro to writing cuneiform video
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: and of course ᠮᠢᠨᠭᠭᠠᠲᠦ is definitely a good release name
<hattivat> oh, and it's Tom Scott again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOwP0KUlnZg
<kmath> YouTube - Irving Finkel Teaches Us Cuneiform
<hattivat> ᠮᠢᠨᠭᠭᠠᠲᠦ is indeed an awesome release name
<hattivat> especially if you could make it render vertically
<hattivat> also, <3 his birthplace
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah tbh 1.3 made things shittier for fancy release names
<hattivat> "plain white banner"
<egg|zzz|egg> (their new font doesn't even support arabic!)
<egg|zzz|egg> the ~i18n release~
<hattivat> that means "wherever the plain white banner division of Manchu was grazing their horses at the time" basically
<hattivat> egg|zzz|egg: damn, that's just sad
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: it's funny that they kept the term banner for administrative subdivisions tho https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhengxiangbai_Banner
<hattivat> that's not funny, that's awesome
<hattivat> also, are you aware what these banners looked like? They ain't flags
<hattivat> I mean physical banners, of course
<hattivat> and this is what a war banner would look like https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/70/d3/cc70d3918c374064b6fffa9175fbf2da.jpg
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: hm, can you read this? I'm wondering whether this contains the relevant colophon http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?assetId=571365001&objectId=327070&partId=1
<hattivat> ...man, I can't read any cuneiform, my Sumerian phase never went beyond reading translations
<hattivat> and ok, memorizing the start of the creation myth: ud rea, ud sura rea, ji rea, ji bara rea
<hattivat> (days-these, days-remote-these, nights-these, night-remote-these)
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: good thing it's not sumerian then :D
<hattivat> poetically, "in those days, in those remote days, in those nights, in those remote nights"
<hattivat> well, then even more obviously I can't read it, I never had an 'Akkadian phase', man :D
<hattivat> s/remote/distant
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: poetically, "in those days, in those distant days, in those nights, in those remote nights"
<hattivat> sg/remote/distant
<hattivat> it doesn't have globals? damn
<egg|zzz|egg> /g
<hattivat> g/remote/distant
<hattivat> s/g/remote/distant
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: remote/remote/distant
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: s/./kitten /g
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg thinks hattivat meant to say: kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten kitten
<hattivat> oh, at the end?
<hattivat> s/remote/distant
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: g/distant/distant
<hattivat> hahahahah
<egg|zzz|egg> :D
<hattivat> ok, neverming, you know what I meant
<egg|zzz|egg> neverqing
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn hattivat
* Qboid gives hattivat a FLOSS idempotent paraboloid
<hattivat> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a selenium ☢-like crystal
<hattivat> what was the syntax to add adjectives?
<egg|zzz|egg> !kd -add:adj adjectival
<egg|zzz|egg> (without the leading space)
<hattivat> !add adj SOX-compliant
<hattivat> !adj SOX-compliant
<hattivat> !kd -add:adj SOX-compliant
<Qboid> hattivat: Invalid syntax. The correct syntax would be name|description|time.
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: uh, sorry, !wpn
<hattivat> eeeeer
<egg|zzz|egg> !kd is countdowns
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Invalid ID!
<whitequark> !pwn
<hattivat> but isn't !wpn for nouns?
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<hattivat> !wpn add adj SOX-compliant
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<hattivat> !wpn -add adj SOX-compliant
<Qboid> hattivat: Invalid type
<hattivat> !wpn -add:adj SOX-compliant
<Qboid> hattivat: Adjective added!
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<hattivat> !wpn -add:adj GDPR-compliant
<Qboid> hattivat: Adjective added!
<hattivat> !wpn -add:adj cuneiform
<Qboid> hattivat: Adjective added!
<kmath> YouTube - Max Canada Lynx - I'm a Big Baby
<soundnfury> !wpn -add:adj hieratic
<Qboid> soundnfury: Adjective added!
<soundnfury> !wpn -add:adj demotic
<Qboid> soundnfury: Adjective added!
<soundnfury> !wpn hattivat
* Qboid gives hattivat a treasonous basilect
<hattivat> :_____DDDDD
<hattivat> this is gold, pure gold
<soundnfury> hattivat: you sure it's not iron pyrites?
<hattivat> but seriosuly 'tresonous basilect' is the best way to describe French or Colloquial Indonesian I've ever seen, well done Qboid!
<hattivat> soundnfury: I'm afraid that one might have gone over my head
<soundnfury> hattivat: fool's gold
<hattivat> oh, right
* soundnfury was also amused by the concept of treasonous basilect
<hattivat> well, it's just metaphorical gold, so it depends on your mental representation
<soundnfury> all hail retrobot
<hattivat> my mental representation is of pure gold, the elemental one
<hattivat> so yeah, French is the treasonous basilect of Latin
<hattivat> I have a friend who has a PhD in classical philology, he needs to hear that one
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn hattivat
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<egg|zzz|egg> kitty
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<kmath> YouTube - Juvenile bat squeaks while being petted.
<egg|zzz|egg> megabattie is a nice channel
<egg|zzz|egg> bats!
<egg|zzz|egg> ytibbats!
<hattivat> I had no idea bats could be cute
<Iskierka> flying foxes and relatives are cute, european-origin bats less so
<egg|zzz|egg> Iskierka: the microchiroptera do have fancy ears going for them tho
<egg|zzz|egg> !u ʒ
<Qboid> U+0292 LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH (ʒ)
<egg|zzz|egg> s/tho/Þoȝ
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg meant to say: Iskierka: the microchiroptera do have fancy ears going for them Þoȝ
<hattivat> Iskierka: it's due to sonar efficiency, isn't it?
<hattivat> I mean, I remember reading about their faces being the way they are to improve echolocation
<hattivat> in one of Dawkins' books, probably
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: do you have any new котяpics in those 3 GB :-p
<kmath> YouTube - How To Feed A Baby Potoo Bird With Gummi Worms - Runforthecube Tutorial
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: hm, trying to find kannada release names, I'm not sure whether https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah%C4%81v%C4%ABra_(mathematician) should be written महावीर or in kannada (ಮಹಾವೀರ)
<egg|zzz|egg> hattivat: principia, where I need help from a linguist on the release names :-p
<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: I don't actually have 3GB of photos
<hattivat> probably in Kannada given his place of birth
<hattivat> although I don't really have an idea, I'm not very familiar with subcontinent or its culture
<egg|zzz|egg> me neither
<egg|zzz|egg> hm, we need moar linguists
<hattivat> other than eating curry and having to deal with 'please do the needful' emails at previous work
<hattivat> s/subcontinent/the subcontinent
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: although I don't really have an idea, I'm not very familiar with the subcontinent or its culture
<UmbralRaptor> whitequark: the problem is that the 580 GB isn't stuff like anime that cam be practically stored on spinning rust?
<UmbralRaptor> s/cam/can/
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor meant to say: whitequark: the problem is that the 580 GB isn't stuff like anime that can be practically stored on spinning rust?
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<UmbralRaptor> without zipcode version https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yzs4y7ERsAzErXCg2
<UmbralRaptor> With, it looks like it's got my address info circa 2011.9-2016.6
<UmbralRaptor> Troubling, but given the flaws in phone and provider info…
<UmbralRaptor> Basically, go prepaid, and avoid ATT/VZW?
<Iskierka> until the rest join in
<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: basically
<whitequark> also I really don't like spinning rust for its fragility
<whitequark> this laptop has been abused in so many ways
<egg|zzz|egg> I think you meant to reply to UmbralRaptor
<whitequark> erm yes
<egg|zzz|egg> <egg|clippy|egg>
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: well, NSA already collects all records, so…
<hattivat> I love the fact how your agencies are basically spying on everyone, but you can't have proper IDs or a national gun database, because privacy xD
<whitequark> because lobbying
<whitequark> not privacy
<whitequark> 4th am doesn't mean shit if there is no money behind it
<whitequark> (as a separate but related case, I mean)
<hattivat> yeah, I realize how it works in reality
<hattivat> I'm just talking about the official reason that provided
<hattivat> s/that/that is
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: I'm just talking about the official reason that is provided
<hattivat> especially with IDs, to a European citizen it sounds utterly crazy that you guys use your driver's licenses as your primary indentifying documents
<APlayer> Wait, and what happens if someone has no driver's license?
<hattivat> better, what happens if someone loses their driving license because of speeding or drunk driving?
<hattivat> I don't know the answer, but I assume they give you some special certificate instead?
<whitequark> APlayer: everyone gets their driver's license before age of majority
<whitequark> because it's not really a country accessible without a car
<hattivat> in any case, the idea of using something that you have to pass an exam and be physically able to obtain, and which you can be stripped of for misconduct as the default way of identifying people is utterly bizarre to me
<e_14159> hattivat: s/idea of using something that you have to pass an exam and be physically able to obtain, and which you can be stripped of for misconduct as the default way of identifying people/US
<Qboid> e_14159 thinks hattivat meant to say: in any case, the US is utterly bizarre to me
<APlayer> whitequark: Uh, this is law. They can't count on people obtaining their driver's license for something as vital as a personal ID
<hattivat> e_14159: that is true as well
<hattivat> whitequark: ok, but what if you are disabled and unable to drive?
<hattivat> and what if you lose the document for speeding
<hattivat> or do you guys not have this penalty?
<APlayer> "There are no such people" :P
<hattivat> maybe that's the reason so many American corporations are so keen to research self-driving cars
<whitequark> APlayer: driver's license is not the only way of proving your identity, of course
<whitequark> there's birth certificates and concealed carry permits
<hattivat> so that diabled people can finally have proper documents ;p
<whitequark> ironically if you don't/can't have a driver's license then a concealed carry permit is the next easiest thing to get
<e_14159> o_O
<egg|zzz|egg> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<Iskierka> matlab people are dumb
<hattivat> wait, you can use a concealed carry permit to prove your identity, like at a bank? xDDDDDD
<UmbralRaptor> You can get a state ID from the same places as driver's licenses.
<Iskierka> "What's so hard about a = a + 1?" "The fact I'm actually writing readable code, so it's not a, it's correctCount
<egg|zzz|egg> okay when your save gets big KSP gets slow
<whitequark> I've been following the misadventures of someone who had issues with ID
<Iskierka> which means 22 more characters than necessary
* egg|zzz|egg just waited 12 min to go from tracking station to space centre
<hattivat> "so, yeah, I wanted to ask for a mortgage, here's a piece of paper saying that I carry a .44 magnum around with me" xD
<Iskierka> (or no, 11, I'm tired and confused)
<egg|zzz|egg> (yes the save is 803 MB why do you ask :-p)
<hattivat> "no pressure, though"
<UmbralRaptor> Mortgages mean fun like credit checks.
<whitequark> yeah
<Iskierka> I fail to see how birth certificate proves identity
<APlayer> "This person is not eligible to obtain a driver's license because of drug abuse. Let's allow them to carry hidden weapons instead! Yay!"
<UmbralRaptor> (Not sure that they're needed post equifax breach?)
<Iskierka> it's not like it has a photo that would be useful
<hattivat> well, that's the same all over the world, I think, with credit checks
<hattivat> but presumably you first need to prove that you are who you say you are
<whitequark> no, the US form is especially insane, as usual
<Iskierka> I also fail to understand the logic behind concealed carry at all
<hattivat> and a concealed carry permit is a rather weird way to do it to my taste
<egg|zzz|egg> Iskierka: tbh french driver's licenses don't need to be renewed, so the photo is useless :D
<whitequark> you have to get credit and repay it in time for many years to get a good credit score
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: that's less silly when you realize how harsh MJ penalties are in some places.
<Iskierka> like, why would you WANT it to be legal for people to hide weapons, so if you can see signs of a hidden weapon, that's not cause for suspicion?
<whitequark> so if you didn't need/used credit at all a mortgage would be super costly for you
<Iskierka> if carry is legal, open carry only, thanks
<Iskierka> anyone hiding it gets taken down
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: people who read suicide / homicide / mass shooting numbers in the wrong order?
<Iskierka> but how does "but mass shootings" justify concealed carry over open?
<Iskierka> if you're happy to carry, why do you want it secret?
<UmbralRaptor> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<APlayer> The US just sank down further on my "sanity list".
<UmbralRaptor> Alternative answer: you're black
<UmbralRaptor> =(
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp 8801267.0098663382 / 60 / 60 / 24
<Qboid> 101.866516317897
<APlayer> What does that do?
<Iskierka> it does but I don't understand why concealed carry should be allowed at all
<Iskierka> you only have reason to hide a weapon that you intend do to something shifty with
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<Iskierka> so make it so any hidden weapon is illegal for being hidden, as well as whatever they intended it for, so you don't have to make judgement calls each time you think someone MIGHT be hiding a weapon
<Iskierka> if it's hidden, it's illegal. No carry licenses
<APlayer> "Licenses are rarely issued to ordinary citizens. However, no permit is required to openly carry a rifle or shotgun."
<Iskierka> that part's an entirely separate bit of stupidity
<whitequark> it's not
<whitequark> have you seen how huge and how rural US is
<whitequark> having a weapon on you when you live in the middle of nowhere on a farm is pretty much a necessity
<Iskierka> so is a vehicle, yet that still requires full licensing
<UmbralRaptor> Kinda. Population is mostly urban.
<Iskierka> and these justifications for rural rules still apply in the urban areas of the same jurisdiction
<Iskierka> s/still apply/are still applied/
<whitequark> UmbralRaptor: but the constitution was specifically written so that urban and rural populations would get roughly the same voting power
<Qboid> Iskierka meant to say: and these justifications for rural rules are still applied in the urban areas of the same jurisdiction
<whitequark> bypassing the question of whether it works like that in practice
<Iskierka> WHAT COCKING SYNTAX ERROR, MATLAB?
<Iskierka> LINE 23 IS JUST DIVIDING TWO VARIABLES FOR AN OUTPUT. NOTHING ELSE
<UmbralRaptor> Did the bolt get out of alignment?
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a dimetrodon which vaguely resembles a |raw⟩
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn котя
* Qboid gives котя a frangible nephroid
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn порошок
* Qboid gives порошок a gravitational prediction
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a smol Venusian category
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Iskierka
* Qboid gives Iskierka an epsilon star
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a sparse graph
<Iskierka> Turned out it was complaining that there was an unclosed if (I assumed it would have one-line-if behaviour like EVERYTHING ELSE) some lines before
<Iskierka> which also seems like a VERY EASY THING TO ACTUALLY GIVE AN EXPLICIT ERROR FOR
* Iskierka sets Matlab on fire
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<UmbralRaptor> =S
<UmbralRaptor> RIP, Grape-kun
<bofh> that moment when you are certain you've heard the song in the Starfish Prime nuke test video before in full but can't place it
<bofh> (prolly b/c the version in the video is extremely distorted and very short)
<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/919315793283661824 << so this is a french thing, which afaik dates back from wartime, when butter was scarce; people made croissants with margarine, and distinguished the butter ones by making them straight (rather than crescent-shaped)
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> @merrittk i googled "straight croissant" and found this https://t.co/x5rqfFpLRD
<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: the straight shape stayed
<bofh> that is a weird way to distinguish the two, IMO. means you have to bake two separate pastry styles.
<bofh> OTOH, I s'pose back then things weren't as automated or mass-market as they are now.
<Iskierka> or likely at all
<Iskierka> limit would probably be like thickness-blocks to measure out the height to roll it to quickly
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: I mean it's just "don't curve the thing after rolling it up"
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: I found it very weird when I came to CH that all local croissants were actually crescent shaped :-p
<bofh> which is somewhat ironic considering the origin of the word :P
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: so like it's literally the word for crescent in french right :-p
<egg|zzz|egg> but yeah, I grew up with straight croissants (and actually I still tend to eat those imported france because swiss croissants are really meh)
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn -add:wpn croissant
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Weapon added!
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a recurve creole
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn hattivat|afk
* Qboid gives hattivat|afk a central sum
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<UmbralRaptor> egg: So one can eat the moon between third and first quarter?
<egg|nomz|egg> eggsactly
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: fun trajectory https://i.imgur.com/u2yo5Z3.jpg
<bofh> !wpn egg|nomz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|nomz|egg an inductive gazebo with an inverter attachment
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<APlayer> It's a tie!
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<hattivat> !wpn egg|nomz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|nomz|egg a boron hyperboloid
<hattivat> also, recurve creole, I think Qboid is starting to develop some intelligence ;)
<Fiora> egg|nomz|egg: i like this a lot, thank you for infos
<UmbralRaptor> Jazzy glass?
<Iskierka> this machine learning coursework asks you to take a random selection of the full dataset for training samples. Problem: how do you test accuracy when it's trained differently each time
<hattivat> by ensuring sufficient randomness and a sufficiently large dataset
<hattivat> also, the standard technique is use the whole dataset, using ~2/3rds for training, and 1/3rd reserved for testing
<hattivat> s/is/is to
<Qboid> hattivat meant to say: also, the standard technique is to use the whole dataset, using ~2/3rds for training, and 1/3rd reserved for testing
<Iskierka> I've gotten between 0.99202 and 0.98004 on the same (low-accuracy) training run
<hattivat> 0.992 accuracy on test data?
<e_14159> Rather, split it into training (to train the algorithm on), validation (to optimize hyperparameters on), and test (to evaluate final accuracy) set
<hattivat> that's assuming he needs a validation step, depends on the technique used and the workflow he has
<e_14159> True. But it's something I see often (and unfortunately do myself...)
<Iskierka> we have 200/500 for training, but expected to take a random set. I can see how to solve this for a consistent set, but a later question implies you are meant to see per-run deviation ... after you've already compared training accuracies for increasing k, when k=1 is already on average above the variance for higher k
<Iskierka> and this is just k-nearest-neighbour as it's early coursework, so I don't think validation is relevant
<Iskierka> I've seen 0.99 on some runs with k=1 and 0.98 for some runs with k=4. How am I supposed to conclude increasing accuracy
<e_14159> You're not, I think. A larger k does not relate in any way to more accuracy.
<SnoopJeDi> My (very limited) understanding is that how to split training/validation in a Good Way is one of the most challenging problems in ML
<xShadowx> why do cats plan your doom?
<xShadowx> why are cats evil?
<UmbralRaptor> xShadowx: no more evil than any other bus.
<UmbralRaptor> Unless you summoned them with a nekonomicon.
* UmbralRaptor needs to set up Japanese IME on this phone,
<UmbralRaptor> Note to self: when people talk about hair loss, they *never* mean your kind.
<APlayer> Let's first settle the question about where you found people talking about hair loss :P
<e_14159> SnoopJeDi: Most of the time, it's fairly simple. Time series make it a big ugly, though.
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: papers linked by our fermion who's existence violates QCD.
<whitequark> UmbralRaptor: which is your kind?
<APlayer> Also, damn you whitequark
<UmbralRaptor> whitequark: autoimmune
<APlayer> My teeth still keep itching whenever I read your name
<whitequark> UmbralRaptor: my condolences :/
<UmbralRaptor> whitequark: I wouldn't mind if not for the combination of random patches that need shaving, and a lack of eyebrows/eyelashes.
<whitequark> UmbralRaptor: you could kill the rest of it with lasers or something
<whitequark> or ...
<whitequark> ...
<whitequark> you could apply topical testosterone to your scalp.
<whitequark> cut off their blood supply.
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<APlayer> (I wouldn't trust whitequark with medical advice :P)
<whitequark> lol
<whitequark> if only, APlayer, if only
<bofh> what on earth. caffeine continues to befuddle somewhat in new ways.
<SnoopJeDi> pray tell bofh
* SnoopJeDi sips coke zero
<APlayer> LOL
<SnoopJeDi> oh I'd not clicked that, but O_O
<APlayer> SnoopJeDi: Pepsi, Sir, Pepsi
* UmbralRaptor eyes the near 1 l coffee mug on the desk.
<SnoopJeDi> APlayer, I like the cherry zero flavor. I preferred diet pepsi once upon a time, but their appeal to the "BUT CHEMICALS" crowd really soured me
<APlayer> Heh
<UmbralRaptor> … why did I get an advertisement for an honor society visa card?
<bofh> I have the problem that most soft drinks taste far too sugary for me even when not flat (and are undrinkable when they lose carbonation). But cherry zero ain't bad flavour-wise, I'll agree there.
<whitequark> so I tried to quit drinking coke recently and I've realized something
<whitequark> apparently, my brain now relies on either (a) sugar in it or (b) caffeine in it, and refuses to work unless served
<whitequark> I *think* it's (a)
<whitequark> because sugar-free drinks, even when they tasted right, didn't quite did what I expected of them
<whitequark> I could never put the finger on *what* it was until recently
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<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: so to clarify I know this story from hearsay (from my grandfather iirc), I haven't looked for a proper source; it's fairly easy to see that straight croissants are very much a thing in france and that elsewhere they are crescent-shaped, but I don't know any decent source for the specifics of why that is
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: but what about feathers
* UmbralRaptor chirps >_>
<bofh> so now I'm wondering what's the minimal gene cluster needed for feather growth in, say, birds.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh, Fiora, UmbralRaptor, and whitequark
* Qboid gives bofh, Fiora, UmbralRaptor, and whitequark a public pommel
<Iskierka> given the genome sizes seen in birds it's probably whatever actually does it as-is
* UmbralRaptor vaguely recalls something about birds having unusually small genomes?
<Iskierka> Like everything even their genome seems to have had very aggressive optimisation at some point
<Iskierka> like if you want to know the best "cost" of some type vs performance for biology, if birds have it they're probably the optimal that we've ever seen
<egg|zzz|egg> a user wants the moon to move faster https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/162200-wip122-and-13-principia%E2%80%94version-ces%C3%A0ro-released-2017-09-20%E2%80%94n-body-and-extended-body-gravitation-axial-tilt/&page=33&tab=comments#comment-3195933
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<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: LOL
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: I can only assume that birbs have run their genomes through a linter, an done some refactoring.
<Iskierka> this would not be inconsistent with observations
<kmath> <TheQueenInGlory> the migrants just replaced the vampire they don't know exists with one of their own as mayor
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<SnoopJeDi> reminds me vaguely of https://dfstories.com/the-hammer-of-damocles/
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: hm, should I play some DF
<UmbralRaptor> Yes?
<Iskierka> egg fortress
<bofh> holy fuck, Xe135's thermal neutron capture cross-section is ~2.65megabarns? that's enormous.
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: Yep! *the largest* as best I'm aware.
<Iskierka> just another weird xenon thing
<UmbralRaptor> U-235's thermal neutron capture cross-section is what, 585 barns?
<Iskierka> so does that mean just a fraction of a percent xenon infusion would dramatically increase capture rate and prevent neutron leakage?
<bofh> well it would dramatically increase capture rate, yes, that's part of how we got Chernobyl.
<bofh> the "experiment" being run when the whole thing went critical was being run on a Xe-135 poisoned reactor, the poisoning being due to a previous quench the day before.
<Fiora> 3 megabarns? the hell
<Fiora> how does that even work
<UmbralRaptor> Resonances, or something.
<Fiora> like isn't neutron capture a strong force thing?
<UmbralRaptor> I think so?
<Fiora> that's uh...... ~0.02nm wide area
<Fiora> or ~0.01m radius
<Fiora> *0.01nm
<Fiora> for reference, the radius of a hydrogen atomic orbital is ~0.05nm
<UmbralRaptor> Additional fun: check out where Xe-135 is in fission product yield rates.
<Fiora> and the residual strong force is useless beyond 0.0025nm
<UmbralRaptor> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<UmbralRaptor> I'm going to blame the uncertainty principle, and assume that it *really* wants to be Xe-136.
<UmbralRaptor> I heard that the dollar unit was coined from wanting to get the most bang from one's buck. >_>
<egg|zzz|egg> https://twitter.com/FioraAeterna/status/919671124941606912 tbh it's not much better when mathematicians name things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessin_d%27enfant
<kmath> <FioraAeterna> don't let physicists name things part #10283 https://t.co/DwFRIjLrL7
<egg|zzz|egg> (also building theory)
<egg|zzz|egg> Fiora: I probably told you about that one already, but still I'm unreasonably amused by buildings
<egg|zzz|egg> !g affine hovel
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.00526 [Strongly transitive actions on affine ordered hovels] (226 results found, took 0.51s)
<bofh> "A reactivity between $0 and $1 is still supercritical and power will still increase exponentially, but because the chain reaction partly depends on the delayed neutrons the power rise will be slow enough to be easily and safely controlled with mechanical control rods." what are words.
<UmbralRaptor> Doubling time is slow enough for equipment to move and operators to make decisions.
<APlayer> "I need a dollar, a dollar is what I need" - nuckear physicist, probably
<APlayer> nuclear*
<UmbralRaptor> Astronomy also has terminology silliness: LIRGs/ULIRGs/HLIRGs/ELIRGs for example.
<APlayer> Let's not talk about acronyms
<APlayer> NASA naming their probes' instruments is a good example of why not
<UmbralRaptor> [Ultra|Hyper|Extremely]Luminous Infrared Galaxies
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: because of eg: JEDI?
<APlayer> Not sure I know that one
<APlayer> But in about 10% of the cases I feel like they first invented the instrument's name, then spent 50% of its cost to find an acronym for that and then spent the other half inventing a useful instrunent that would suit the description
<APlayer> Well, that may not necessarily fall into my 10%, but id certainly falls in the 30% of grey-zone instruments for which my theory may apply, but is not certain
<APlayer> :P
<UmbralRaptor> I imagine LUVOIR and ATLAST count, even if they're just studies.
<APlayer> Wikipedia on JEDI: "In relation to other space missions, [...]. This type of instrument is also similar to the PEPSSI instrument on [...]."
<APlayer> There you go. Another one
<APlayer> And I bet my last reactivity dollar that the acronym ks very silly worded just to fit that description
<APlayer> s/description/abbreviation/
<Qboid> APlayer meant to say: And I bet my last reactivity dollar that the acronym ks very silly worded just to fit that abbreviation
* APlayer is tired
<kmath> https://twitter.com/bofh453/status/790347564650496000 <bofh453> "Pluto Energetic Particle Spectrometer Science Investigation (PEPSSI)" who was responsible for this acronym
<APlayer> It gets worse when they start doing things like skipping words and using non-first letters for the acronym /combined/ with weird wording
<SnoopJeDi> ♫ All I wanted was a PEPSSI, just one PEPSSI, and Congress wouldn't give it to me. Just a PEPSSI! ♫
<SnoopJeDi> (the joke doesn't quite work with a device that exists)
<APlayer> "I prefer Coke" - Congressman, probably
<UmbralRaptor> MaDCoWS?
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: [MaDCoWS] => Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<UmbralRaptor> APlayer: ^
<APlayer> Oh gods
<APlayer> What was there about "Don't let physicists name things"?
<APlayer> Although, I have to say, if I had the authority and idea, I'd probably do the same :P
<UmbralRaptor> Astronomers in this case.
<UmbralRaptor> Also, the catalog of galaxy clusters is named "Moo"
<UmbralRaptor> MOO?
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: [MOO] => Massive Overdense Object
<Iskierka> galaxies are fat?
<APlayer> Remind me to use "massive overdense object" next time I want to say "fat person"
<APlayer> Anyway, I am off for today
<APlayer> See you guys!
<Fiora> But fat is less dense than muscle.
<Fiora> So someone fat is actually UNDERdense.
<egg|zzz|egg> MaDCoWS?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [MaDCoWS] => Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<kmath> <SamusAranX> @FioraAeterna I can't wait for the first millenial scientist to invent something important then name it Background… https://t.co/rjwHHxrfnc
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a cobolt flail
<bofh> WISE?
<Qboid> bofh: [WISE] => Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer
<Iskierka> BEPIS?
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<egg|zzz|egg> Iskierka: diapsid!
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsQimYhNkA&fmt=22 you have seen this clip, correct?
<kmath> YouTube - Juno Approach Movie of Jupiter and the Galilean Moons
<UmbralRaptor> Iskierka: Isn't that whitequark's apartment?
<UmbralRaptor> (Alternatively, is that at the point where the insurance company would be okay with you burning the place down?)
<Iskierka> Estate agent just says it "has a little culture"
<hattivat> an aged apartment for a sophisticated buyer
<bofh> Iskierka: LOL
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: oh fuck I'm not sure how I feel by the fact that I was half-expecting a photo of the main quad here given that article URL and then got exactly that >_>
<bofh> and yeah, the fact that we're neglecting Land Grant universities is a fucking travesty.
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: (insert anguished scream here)
<bofh> ...yeah, pretty much :(
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn hattivat
* Qboid gives hattivat a magma
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a Müller meganeuropsis
<hattivat> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a Sapir-Whorf Artinian gluon
<Iskierka> egg: if driver's licenses in france never expire, are there some floating around printed on like pre-war card or such?