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<VITAS[m]>
And i thought Belgians use the Atom thread nowdays.
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<Bart[m]>
Nah
<Bart[m]>
We were stupid enough to use modern equipment to analyse reactor vessels instead of the 60s and 70s junk everyone else uses
<Bart[m]>
So they suddenly found quite expected defects
<Bart[m]>
So that reactor you guys were whining about is no worse than others
<VITAS[m]>
so you just use newer standarts?
<VITAS[m]>
aka same problem but simply changed the standart?
<Bart[m]>
Yes, that's what happened, they used newer ultrasound inspection equipment
<VITAS[m]>
"no worse then others" isnt fine
<VITAS[m]>
ultrasonic aka shouting at it in an anoying voice
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<Bart[m]>
And anti-nuclear activists hopped onto the description of metal grain defects to fear monger
<Bart[m]>
Which scared politicians and led to nice news drama
<VITAS[m]>
in my opinion something must be wrong if the goverment hands out pills
<VITAS[m]>
and scares the heck out of everyone
<Bart[m]>
Again, stupid politicians
<VITAS[m]>
(and stats that if youre over 40 youre a goner and dont get any help)
<Bart[m]>
The iodine pills are kind a nice
<VITAS[m]>
they wont creat bad blood like this unless their concern is checked and genuine
<Bart[m]>
I got a huge box of them by going by multiple pharmacies
<VITAS[m]>
not the point
<Bart[m]>
Gonna extract the iodine from them
<VITAS[m]>
the point is that the same politicians are elected by the pople who they say cant get any and are declared osolete
<Bart[m]>
@VITAS#0000, this entire thing can be traced back to a few freebies of questionable intelligence sitting on a committee
<VITAS[m]>
and they wouldnt do that if not feeling that their actions are more important than beeing elected
<Bart[m]>
Huh? We hand iodine pills to everyone
<VITAS[m]>
not about the pills
<VITAS[m]>
but the message
<Bart[m]>
Politicians don't understand nuclear reactors at all, they don't understand the risks
<VITAS[m]>
if a group of people is imnportant to your job you dont tell half of them theyre doomed unless theres something far more important than your job
<Bart[m]>
So they can't make an informed decision
<VITAS[m]>
and i know how important the job is to a politician
<VITAS[m]>
anyway
<Bart[m]>
And again, they keep listening to green uninformed lunatics instead of engineers.
<VITAS[m]>
north or east sea?
<VITAS[m]>
my plan is to hop on a train today and go swimming
<Bart[m]>
Like the greenies have an "energy expert" here, he has a political science major and doesn't understand why residential transformers are a limiting factor for solar energy.
<VITAS[m]>
ive not the knowlage or the ability to test if its safe myself so ive to belive soemone else. and my goto person is my goverment (and yes i dont belive everything they say but thats the best i can get)
<VITAS[m]>
and youre doing the same
<VITAS[m]>
with your goverment
<Bart[m]>
He thinks it's a ploy to stop green energy.
<VITAS[m]>
because you surely havent tested the reactor yourself
<VITAS[m]>
nuclear energy isnt green
<VITAS[m]>
its just a diferent kind of problematic
<Bart[m]>
I know what happened in this case, I've seen reports.
* VITAS[m]
slaps a windturbine on Bart head
<VITAS[m]>
every energy source has problems
<Bart[m]>
And why would I have to test it myself? They tested them to a higher standard than is internationally the norm.
<VITAS[m]>
we have to decide on the sideeffects we tollerate
<VITAS[m]>
in the end its about trust
<VITAS[m]>
who do i trust hes stating whats real
<VITAS[m]>
(intentionaly or unintwentionaly)
<VITAS[m]>
and theres a trust problem between the german goverment and the belgian
<VITAS[m]>
everyone has the problem (in such circumstances) to decide where they stand
<VITAS[m]>
because most arent experts
* VITAS[m]
hands Bart a beer. keepl calm and remember "Duck and cover" :)
<Bart[m]>
@VITAS#0000 to give you an idea about the intelligence of the folks demanding it's shut down over here
<Bart[m]>
We have a nuclear reactor responsible for a significant portion of the world's output of medical isotopes.
<Bart[m]>
The same greenies wanted to shut it down.
<Bart[m]>
Because "zomg it's nuclear!!!!"
<Bart[m]>
It's also used to produce things like radiation sources for sterilization of food and medical products, etc.
<VITAS[m]>
so emotional :)
<Bart[m]>
So their proposal is to kill tens of thousands to avoid the highly unlikely risk of killing a few hundred if that reactor was blown sky high this very instant.
<Bart[m]>
And that's why we think they're idiots and don't listen to them.
<VITAS[m]>
where you old enough to live trough chernobyl?
<Bart[m]>
And this discussion has been going on for 2 decades now, and as a result we might lose nearly 50% of our power generation capacity without any viable substitute.
<VITAS[m]>
where you old enough to live trough chernobyl? <-because everyone i know who did is full of fear that something like this could repeat itself in central europe
<VITAS[m]>
so its more about emotions then facts
<VITAS[m]>
(maybe about facts too but i cant confirm them)
<VITAS[m]>
its the same fear that lets germany stop using nuclear power all together.
<Bart[m]>
It's stupid fear
<VITAS[m]>
you say that
<Bart[m]>
Coal and gas cause more deaths each year
<Bart[m]>
They're just a lot less obvious
<VITAS[m]>
might be
<VITAS[m]>
its a gamble
<Bart[m]>
People dying because of lung cancer ain't associated with power generation
<VITAS[m]>
and nulear power leaves wast we dont knwo what to do with
<Bart[m]>
At least not at an emotional level
<Bart[m]>
We know what to do with it
<VITAS[m]>
both arent good solutions
<Bart[m]>
Dump it in a cave underground
<VITAS[m]>
and it boild downt o what risks is one willing to take to get energy
<VITAS[m]>
doesnt work we tried that
<Bart[m]>
Which ain't much better or worse than what we do with most of our waste
<VITAS[m]>
now we have to get it out again
<VITAS[m]>
because it leaks
<Bart[m]>
Which is literally burn, bury, forget
<VITAS[m]>
you could do that with plastics
<VITAS[m]>
but nuclear wast....
<Bart[m]>
Bury it in the right type of rock
<VITAS[m]>
i look at our discussion and imagine its the same on the goverment level
<Bart[m]>
It's frustrating for me mostly.
<VITAS[m]>
and for me too
<Bart[m]>
Because you're presenting emotional arguments against numbers
<VITAS[m]>
youre presenting "just hide it" as argument
<VITAS[m]>
also numbers arent always proof of the right solution
<VITAS[m]>
did you choose your GF because of stats or because of emotions?
<VITAS[m]>
you not only have to choose the objectivly right solution but everyone has to have a good feeling about it too
<VITAS[m]>
thats called politics or marketing
<VITAS[m]>
When we have these discussions i always wonder how us sitting in a pub together would be
<VITAS[m]>
:)
<VITAS[m]>
quite emotional and entertaining i belive :D
<Bart[m]>
@VITAS#0000, and guess what happens with your solar panels and wind mills?
<VITAS[m]>
theyre crap if its dark and no wind
<VITAS[m]>
they also use a lot of resources to manufacture
<Bart[m]>
We crush them up and dump them in loosely monitored land fills
<VITAS[m]>
and look ugly
<VITAS[m]>
as i said: everything has undesired side effects
<Bart[m]>
Where they're known to leak dangerous chemicals into the ground water
<Bart[m]>
And comparing the logic for social decisions with those for major ones is bad practice.
<Bart[m]>
It's like nationalists shouting we should lock up all the <<insert this month's target>>
<Bart[m]>
It tends to end badly, large scale problems demand objective reasoning
<VITAS[m]>
Ah no problem we just burry the wast in the right rock
<VITAS[m]>
so no dangerous chemicals
<VITAS[m]>
just looking trough job adverts: Tech IT Consultant at Vattenfall
<VITAS[m]>
:D
<Bart[m]>
Sure, if you monitor it with the same regulatory zeal as nuclear waste
<Bart[m]>
Nah, I'll take Darklight, Aussies scare away most people.
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<DasSkelett[m]>
Ohhh, that here is a mirror of the IRC? That's cool.
* VITAS[m]
Dances with a chocolate bar by himself.
<VITAS[m]>
Just got a reply for my job application i wrote earlier today
<VITAS[m]>
they send me a pdf form that is a screenshot of a website and asked me to copy over my whole CV in handwriting to it, scan it and mail it to them.
<VITAS[m]>
i dont think i want to work there anymore
<VITAS[m]>
hoi
<Bart[m]>
We just hit 40°C 😐
<VITAS[m]>
at least not kelvin that would be cool dude.
<Bart[m]>
🆒
<VITAS[m]>
i feel refreshed
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<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
👋
<VITAS[m]>
:)
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
Hi Vitas 😉
<VITAS[m]>
hi
<VITAS[m]>
i build the same for dmp so now we have it for SD too :)
<VITAS[m]>
hmm somhow its not mapping users correctly
<VITAS[m]>
but because i dont use discord that often you can help keeping that in order if you like
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
you mean me?
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<VITAS[m]>
yes
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
hmm.. i seem to always have an issue with duplicate identity when joining new servers? 🤦 vOv
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<VITAS[m]1>
split personality? ;)
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
its usually if I accidentaly try to join thru browser, instead of desktop app, tho vOv
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
#1490 is my good authentic account tho vOv
<VITAS[m]1>
for me it isnt accidental since i noticed the amount of surveliance discord app does
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
Hmm.. when 1.7.3 released, I had logged in to see if I could follow the directions you gave me, but I couldnt even find the proper table...
<KineticSloth8StoneBlue[m>
I just tried again, and I think i found it now 😛
<VITAS[m]>
k :)
<VITAS[m]>
SD is a bit maze like
<Bart[m]>
VITAS 41.1°C
<VITAS[m]>
42 42 42
<Bart[m]>
Still possible
<Bart[m]>
The scariest bit is that I have a semi-decent weather station on the roof, so this ain't a €5 thermometer number.
<VITAS[m]>
im greatfull i dont have to work right now
<VITAS[m]>
after plastering my windows with that silver gold "rescue foil" its a bit more livable in here.
<Bart[m]>
You don't have rolling shutters?
<VITAS[m]>
mp
<VITAS[m]>
no
<Bart[m]>
Damn
<Bart[m]>
Rolling shutters help a lot.
<Bart[m]>
Keeps the heat outside
<VITAS[m]>
yes but not here
<VITAS[m]>
now is the hottest time of day because the sun is low enough to hit the windows directly
<Bart[m]>
Uhm, they roll in front of the window 😛
<VITAS[m]>
i know how they work
<VITAS[m]>
:/
<Bart[m]>
Ah, thought you were mistaking them for the roll out sun screens.
<VITAS[m]>
nope
<VITAS[m]>
i find it interresting that many parts of the world dont have them
<Bart[m]>
A far easier method to solve this issue is to just build a giant steel wall next to the city that's high enough to block out the sun for the majority of the day 😛
<VITAS[m]>
satelite reflector dish in space!
<Bart[m]>
It'd have to be huuuuuuge
<VITAS[m]>
WI will build a reflector and the sun will pay for it!
<Bart[m]>
Also, we could focus all the sun on Russia and melt Putin's frozen heart.
<VITAS[m]>
also musk will build it for us
<Bart[m]>
lol, he would.
<Bart[m]>
"Build a giant space thing with massive repercusions and a flimsy plan? SURE!"
<VITAS[m]>
he made space his personal car wreker
<Bart[m]>
heheh
<VITAS[m]>
I think musk smells.
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<Bart[m]>
VITAS, EUMETSAT ground stations are probably having an issue, last IR image I got has quite a few blocks missing.
<VITAS[m]>
overheating
<VITAS[m]>
my mailserver becomes sort of a "broken mailserver" tarpit
<VITAS[m]>
people keep telling me its broken and in the end its always their server beeing on some dns blacklist or missbehaving
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<Bart[m]>
VITAS, very violent thunderstorms here
<Bart[m]>
It dropped the temperature by 7°C in half an hour already, and it's continuing to drop like a brick 😄
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<TiktaalikDreaming[m]>
And that's why Australians love storms, even when they smash your car and rip the roof off your house
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