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<kmath>
YouTube - Now that is a name I haven't heard in a long time
<SnoopJeDi>
APlayer, 0x02 is also used as the bold character for IRC clients, although I don't know if this is actually formally standardized anywhere?
<NomalRaptor>
Apparently ASCII control character for start of text?
<egg|laptop|egg>
!u ␂
<Qboid>
U+2402 SYMBOL FOR START OF TEXT (␂)
<APlayer>
Weird
<SnoopJeDi>
I wonder what client first had bold/colors...it couldn't have been mIRC, right?
<bofh>
might've been, actually.
<egg|laptop|egg>
!u U+2404
<Qboid>
U+2404 SYMBOL FOR END OF TRANSMISSION (␄)
<egg|laptop|egg>
soundnfury: there is no start of transmission, only Zuu␄
<kmath>
<FakeUnicode> There are no codepoints for SINISTER FOREBODING and EXISTENTIAL DREAD, as those are implied at the start and end of every Unicode string.
<bofh>
egg|laptop|egg: ^
<SnoopJeDi>
LOL
<egg|laptop|egg>
bofh: I mean, icu::UnicodeString is pretty good at inducing those, yes
<kmath>
<whitequark> *kicks down the door of an ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG14 meeting, panting* did someone order a bucket of vowels https://t.co/qEBnkxmhPe
<soundnfury>
SnoopJeDi: uhhh, there's a bit of a story there. Early on, terminal control codes were used, but people soon realised that was a Bad Idea™ (interoperability, also security given programmable 'smart terminals').
<SnoopJeDi>
Bad Idea to even render them as such, you mean?
<soundnfury>
yup
<soundnfury>
So, at around about the same time, Unix IRC clients (like ircii(?)) and mIRC each developed their own, incompatible, sets of formatting codes.
<soundnfury>
the developers of the Unix clients tried to talk to Khaled (mIRC developer) and get some kind of a standard together, but Khaled basically ignored them
<SnoopJeDi>
that sounds about right based on what I've heard about the guy
<soundnfury>
today, mIRC's system is the _de facto_ standard, which is a real shame because it has bugs (try colouring a number. Especially if you use comma as thousands separator)
<soundnfury>
so yeah, fsck mIRC and the socket it rode in on :(
<SnoopJeDi>
huh, I was assuming I was missing something in my google searches, but that's net history for you I suppose
<SnoopJeDi>
The terminal system I used to administrate used DEL as a delimiter for Special Client Magick™
<SnoopJeDi>
My biggest accomplishment at that job might have been reverse engineering how that worked and shoe-horning it into a customized PuTTY so that the salespeople could interact with the database and have their favorite features, without paying some crazy per-seat license fee
<rqou>
hmm, is this mIRC control code system the "0x03 for color" system?
<SnoopJeDi>
that's the one
<rqou>
hmm, i have my own parser for that that might not be bug-for-bug compatible :P
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<egg|laptop|egg>
!wpn
* Qboid
gives egg|laptop|egg a pagan telescope
<egg|laptop|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a Helmholtz һοｍοɡاурһ
<egg|laptop|egg>
!u ا
<Qboid>
U+0627 ARABIC LETTER ALEF (ا)
<egg|laptop|egg>
...
<NomalRaptor>
Clearly not an l with Android fonts.
<rqou>
i understand it's "this is why LQR works" but other than that i have no clue what's actually going on
<soundnfury>
!wpn egg|laptop|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|laptop|egg an inflammable polyhedron
<NomalRaptor>
inflammable like sand, or like hydrogen?
<soundnfury>
I think this polyhedron will burn with more than just CTF.
<soundnfury>
(inflammable means 'susceptible to inflammation', not 'negation-of flammable', because fscking English)
<SnoopJeDi>
I think that's what NomalRaptor was getting at inasmuch as sand and hydrogen occupy opposite ends of the flammability spectrum?
<NomalRaptor>
English: the only language with more UB than C++?
<NomalRaptor>
SnoopJeDi, soundnfury: yeah
<Ellied>
hydrogen won't save you this time!
<soundnfury>
Ellied: xD
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<Ellied>
wow, 12 terminal tabs open. That might be a personal local maximum.
<rqou>
oh i exceed that all the t ime
* Ellied
finally gave into temptation and is attempting to construct a crazy one-time setup script for Raspbian
<SnoopJeDi>
Ellied, if I had the funds, I would love to sponsor several classrooms worth of Pis for my alma mater, for exactly the reason that it helps expand one's horizons
<SnoopJeDi>
(high school alma mater, not university)
<rqou>
meh, i don't find Pi's particularly impressive
<SnoopJeDi>
I'm sure people said the same about the TRS-80
<Ellied>
I would have had a very different starting-out experience in the linux world if not for my first Pi
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<SnoopJeDi>
And I'd put folding money down they said it about the Altair 8800
<Ellied>
it's not that they're particularly impressive machines necessarily (although I'm still at that stage where *all* electronics are wildly impressive to me), it's that they're really really accessible
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, the goal was never to blow anyone's socks off, it was to make a cheap computer you could use in a classroom and then *give* to the student, for keeping.
<SnoopJeDi>
"It's dangerous to go alone! Take this."
<rqou>
yeah, Pi's are probably more accessible than a lot of the other random SBCs
<SnoopJeDi>
oh yea it's not even close if you compare against what was on the market when RPi came on the scene
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<Ellied>
My favorite thing about them is how in a classroom setting they've become a "here, do literally whatever you want to this" thing, which is very new for computers in academia
<rqou>
the other day my housemate and I were discussing exactly this, and we compared how well the websites for various microcontroller/SBC things were "optimized for conversions"
<SnoopJeDi>
Gumstix was the closest comparable thing, and that is not exactly a brand associated with accessibility.
<rqou>
Pi is still one of the best
<SnoopJeDi>
OLPC was similar, but much much more expensive
<rqou>
ironically Arduino seems to have made their website much less "optimized for conversions"
<rqou>
but maybe they don't care anymore now that they're "established"
<SnoopJeDi>
But then, OLPC was targeting a very different market
<bofh>
Gumstix wasn't bad, honestly.
<SnoopJeDi>
Oh not at all, Gumstix is a legend
<Ellied>
no more "now, be EXTRA CAREFUL that you don't make a SINGLE misstep, because these machines are VERY expensive!!" and now suddenly classes of the kind that can involve RPis are so much more fun and low-pressure
<rqou>
i don't find the way Pi's are currently presented as being particularly "horizon-expanding" though
<rqou>
i feel like it's now "oh yeah, it's just like your normal computer but slower"
<Ellied>
before RPis, my uni had a few Dell towers that probably cost about $1000 on their own, with special bespoke PCI cards from National Instruments installed that probably cost that again which allowed you to interface with a special breadboard.
<rqou>
oh, we have those too
<SnoopJeDi>
rqou, "just like your normal computer" is a statement made from a place of tremendous access to resources, though.
<SnoopJeDi>
I went to school with a lot of people who didn't have a computer at home
<SnoopJeDi>
and we lived in a pretty affluent place!
<SnoopJeDi>
I mean I guess you can make the argument that you don't need a computer at all to expand someone's horizons about computer science
<SnoopJeDi>
All you need is a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter
<Ellied>
now, in electronics class, everyone gets their *own* complete computer-and-GPIO system that costs a fraction of the price of a textbook and has tons of freely-available documentation and software for it
<SnoopJeDi>
But that's a bit less showy than "here's your own computer, let's learn stuff"
<SnoopJeDi>
With lots of modulation by the maker/hacker community's tendencies towards autodidacticism: the stuff you look into when you jump off from RPi teaches you how to teach yourself more effectively!
<Ellied>
even here, where my classmates are all pretty affluent, everyone just has a macbook and is very used to the idea that doing anything risky with your computer's insides is to be avoided at all costs
<SnoopJeDi>
It's basically a hotfix for shitty public education that patches a bug it wasn't trying to patch
<kmath>
<mhoye> Adversarial learning for data structures and fundamental arithmetic is going to be good fun times. Remember that fr… https://t.co/yBuGhs5y9n
* Qboid
gives whitequark a toasted light-emitting mandelbrofl
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn rqou
* Qboid
gives rqou a Cassegrain precessing memory which vaguely resembles a wave
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Ellied
* Qboid
gives Ellied a just-in-time pike
<rqou>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a liquid transistor
<rqou>
i hate finals
<rqou>
FML
<NomalRaptor>
F "my life" or "machine learning"?
<rqou>
lol how about both :P
<rqou>
i had a failed ML experiment from a few days ago
<rqou>
anyways, my final is in 50 minutes, so that will be fun
<SnoopJeDi>
godspeed!
<rqou>
i think i'm going to put down the studying and relax for a bit
<rqou>
my intuition seems fine but i'm not super familiar with the proofs
<rqou>
apparently i hate myself so much i signed up for the followup course next semester
<APlayer>
Hate is an important change in a world such as ours, where there is too much love and joy
<rqou>
why do i keep signing up for controls courses when i just end up poking embedded firmware all the time? :P
<SnoopJeDi>
No shame should be associated with due diligence on one's blind spots.
* SnoopJeDi
furiously scrambles to construct a world-view that moralizes his shoddy/distractible work ethic
<rqou>
heh i'm pretty distractable too
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<NomalRaptor>
same
<rqou>
ok, time to head to campus
<rqou>
hashtag finals week?
<NomalRaptor>
Something like that
<rqou>
wow, campus is dead silent
<rqou>
it's kinda depressing
<rqou>
(still not as bad as the time i had the absolute latest exam slot: Friday 7-10pm)
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<APlayer>
rqou: Our thoughts are with you
<Ellied>
It's the middle of break for me, but there are still people here for research and stuff
<Ellied>
sometimes
<Ellied>
no one comes here on the weekends though, I was definitely the only one in the building yesterday
<APlayer>
Well, apparently someone does come there on the weekends, and you are an example of such behaviour :P
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wa time since 1993-12-11
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: Saturday, December 11, 1993 to current time: 24 years 20 hours 42 minutes 21 seconds
<APlayer>
What happened on that date?
<egg|zzz|egg>
egg
<APlayer>
It's your birthday?
<egg|zzz|egg>
eggsactly
<APlayer>
In that case, happy eggday! I wish you the best of luck life offers, lots of egg cake and many friends with whom you may pursue your interests!
<soundnfury>
congratulations on having eggsisted for 24 years \o/
<Ellied>
happy integer number of laps around the sun day, egg!
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wa (time since 1993-12-11) / (365.256363004 days)
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: (hours from | 1993 to current time - 12 - 11)/(365.256363004 days): 24.94
<egg|zzz|egg>
um
<APlayer>
"Happy integer number of laps around the sunday" - Ellied, 2017 :P
<NomalRaptor>
egg.ttl--
<APlayer>
eggsperience += 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 more like
<pizzaoverhead>
egg|zzz|egg: Merry Eggmas
<e_14159>
egg|zzz|egg: Although wouldn't egg have happened nine months previously?
<APlayer>
That would have been a different egg
<e_14159>
Good point.
<e_14159>
Anyway, happy 0x18th birthday.
<APlayer>
More like 1.1 * 1010^100 - th birthday
<SnoopJeDi>
oh frabjous egg++ day
<egg|zzz|egg>
!seen awang
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: Value cannot be null.
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<SnoopJeDi>
Qboid, so you say but here we are my robotic friend
<soundnfury>
APlayer: s/1010/10
<Qboid>
soundnfury thinks APlayer meant to say: More like 1.1 * 10^100 - th birthday
<kmath>
<NoelFB> The cat sat on my computer and opened ~100 instances of visual studio, and my computer crashed. Which isn't so bad.… https://t.co/d3AnrYoSxV
<APlayer>
Safe mode is a thing
<egg|zzz|egg>
meow
<SnoopJeDi>
i-situal studio
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn bofh
* Qboid
gives bofh a theoretical white transformer
<kmath>
<stephentyrone> Tangential: Great news, everyone. Now that we have LaTeX->PDF->well-rendered-HTML-aaS, we have an authentic LaTeX e… https://t.co/OuCsplFHk9
<rqou>
troll idea from my housemate: the universe isn't a simulation because it doesn't appear to be accidentally anisotropic unlike many of the simulators we've written
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Iskierka
* Qboid
gives Iskierka an irrotational magnetohydrodynamic interregnum/dynamo hybrid
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn rqou
* Qboid
gives rqou a Ляпунов ram
<rqou>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a cyclic bicyclops
<rqou>
wait, i just realized that's "Lyapunov" in not-Cyrillic
<rqou>
as in, the stuff that I didn't understand (but wasn't on the exam :P )
<Fiora>
egg|zzz|egg: i said "float"
<Fiora>
even just regular double is *gross* but at least is far less likely to cause havoc
<egg|zzz|egg>
Fiora: yeah, I tend to read "float" as "floating-point number" (what with having learned languages where double is long float first)
<egg|zzz|egg>
Fiora: also, thanks for contributing to eating my time with opus magnum :-)
<egg|zzz|egg>
Fiora: hm, since it's about alchemy, is it eligible for alchemical cosplay,