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<Ellied> "How's the experiment coming?" "not great, we can barely see the x-rays through all the dark counts in the way"
* egg gives Ellied a radiography of dracula
* Ellied biases the SiPM and generates over 100000 dark counts per second
<UmbralRaptor> "Work hard, time is short. But it'll all be over soon."
<UmbralRaptor> That's mildly ominous coming from the QM prof.
<UmbralRaptor> egg, rqou: There's probably something fancier than MERCURY6, but it should work.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: principia!
<UmbralRaptor> rqou: And yes, it really is several klocs of FORTRAN with Scott Manley as a contributer
<UmbralRaptor> egg: I might get killed by [quantum|classical] mechanics sometime in the next 2 weeks.
* egg pets a Hamiltonian
<egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an up wolf
* UmbralRaptor hopes that the wave function isn't spiky and/or venomous.
<UmbralRaptor> |wolf, up> vs |wolf, down>
<bofh> |wolf, up, venomous> vs |wolf, up, nonvenomous> ? :P
<bofh> (it's a 4-state system)
<egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a lugubrious ␕
<kmath> <bofh453> * Qboid gives @Newpa_Hasai an up wolf * @Newpa_Hasai hopes that the wavef'n isn't spiky &/or venomous. <… https://t.co/1vOlL4Fe2w
<UmbralRaptor> Left Zr, right Hf, bottom Ti? https://twitter.com/BMatB/status/936353374001299456
<kmath> <BMatB> I have a quiz for you all - here we have titanium, zirconium, and hafnium balencing on an aluminium bar. Which shee… https://t.co/T5ZF9JUlmn
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* egg|zzz|egg pets UmbralRaptor with a Hamiltonian
* UmbralRaptor purrs energetically.
<egg|zzz|egg> youtube recommended me this for some reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFMRD5kuREw
<kmath> YouTube - Beaver Dam Collapse
<egg|zzz|egg> also beavers are neat
<egg|zzz|egg> iirc they don't tend to build huts or dams in europe, but if you relocate them to canada they'll happily get building
<SnoopJeDi> Ellied, LOL
<SnoopJeDi> Strominger's talk this evening was...a bit bizarre.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn -add:wpn radiography
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Weapon added!
<UmbralRaptor> Please be careful about introducing diodes outside of their native habitats.
<kmath> <diodebot> Ibis-catalyzed invasive diode (ICID)
<SnoopJeDi> Thought provoking enough for someone who doesn't grok black holes or much QFT, "soft/infrared structure" seems interesting enough with the analogies to the soft photon theorem
<SnoopJeDi> he also has occasion to say "using the technology of Feynman diagrams" which I found to be a hilarious turn of phrase
<rqou> egg (or others): math question:
<rqou> suppose i have a quaternion that is supposed to represent the orientation of an object relative to some fixed reference
<rqou> but this quaternion has errors in the yaw of the fixed frame
<rqou> how do i get the roll angle?
<rqou> e.g. if you use the normal way of calculating the roll angle, it'll work initially
<rqou> and then errors in the world yaw will cause this to eventually become pitch angle
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: my QM teacher also uses "technology" that way.
<SnoopJeDi> I mean...they're not wrong?
<UmbralRaptor> (Is he also from somewhere Slavic?)
<SnoopJeDi> It tickled my brain pleasantly
<UmbralRaptor> heh
<SnoopJeDi> oh no Strominger is from the UK
<SnoopJeDi> uh, or the US? I don't know why Google reported UK, he has no accent and all his accolades are US so that's probably wrong
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: sheet is Ti almost certainly based just on reflectivity, the other two are easy to figure out by densities (so yes, left Zr, right Hf). At least that's also my guess.
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: what about busy beavers, are those neat as well?
<SnoopJeDi> I think this was the paper that put him on the map: https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9601029
<SnoopJeDi> i.e. reconciling QM/GR pictures of black hole entropy with each other via the holographic principle
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/50533-130-module-manager-281-june-29th-2017-with-n-cats-physics/&page=142&tab=comments#comment-2530142
<SnoopJeDi> a lot of his talk today was *mumble mumble* how you can posit that black holes really *should* have hair, but it's really really subtle and all encoded in these zero-energy particles at the surface or something? It was difficult to follow beyond a sketch of "there are an infinity of conserved quantities"
<rqou> egg|zzz|egg: plz 2 halp with math
<egg|zzz|egg> zzz
<egg|zzz|egg> ask bofh who is less asleeeep
<bofh> ?
<rqou> rqou> suppose i have a quaternion that is supposed to represent the orientation of an object relative to some fixed reference
<rqou> <rqou> but this quaternion has errors in the yaw of the fixed frame
<rqou> <rqou> how do i get the roll angle?
<rqou> <rqou> e.g. if you use the normal way of calculating the roll angle, it'll work initially
<rqou> <rqou> and then errors in the world yaw will cause this to eventually become pitch angle
<rqou> essentially the pitch angle is ignored/unneeded, and i need to combine pitch/roll into one angle
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<rqou> does that make any sense?
<rqou> ok, let me back up a bit
<rqou> i'm copypasta-ing an algorithm that takes a 9dof imu (accelerometer, gyro, magnetometer) and gives me a quaternion
<rqou> because my magnetic sensor isn't perfectly calibrated, i get yaw errors
<rqou> but i'm not flying a UAV
<rqou> this is for a ground vehicle, so i know that pitch = 0, yaw = don't care
<rqou> and i want the roll angle
<rqou> how do i take a quaternion and make it into just a roll angle?
<rqou> that's not correct though
<rqou> suppose i have some roll
<SnoopJeDi> OH, I think I see what you're saying
<rqou> and then i start accumulating yaw error
<rqou> that roll turns into pitch eventually
<SnoopJeDi> pitch = 0 is known, you want to impose that condition
<SnoopJeDi> applying a correction to the other values accordingly
<SnoopJeDi> is that right?
<rqou> conceptually yes
<SnoopJeDi> Hrm, beyond my very limited quat knowledge
<SnoopJeDi> bofh, that Sachdev talk is online, with the world's worst video quality
<SnoopJeDi> Live streamed from the surface of the moon in 1969 http://mediamatrix.tamu.edu/download_published_file.php?published_file_id=579297
<bofh> Livestreamed from the surface of the moon via RTMP on top of that, for fuck's sake.
<bofh> rtmpdump -o blarg.mp4 -r "rtmp://128.194.102.137/delivery/mediamatrix/540bc0b40433e46287c4b22cfdde0c67/temp_6a0dd89ab9f413a120df603706def405_579297.mp4"
<bofh> works handily
<bofh> it's 720p, or at least claims to be.
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<bofh> 72p is prolly closer to the truth.
<bofh> that or someone decided to encode H.264 using only 16x16 macroblocks for some insane fucking reason.
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<bofh> Also I love how fucked the metadata headers are
<bofh> videodatarate : 1104758
<bofh> I think not.
<Ellied> what's a typical video datarate?
<Ellied> 60Hz * [your monitor size here] * 3 colors is going to be really freaking fast, isn't it?
<Ellied> I know hardly anything about monitors lol
<bofh> I'unno, I typically go with whatever x264 --crf 22-28 (depending on quality) spits out. at 720p that's usually 1-3MB/sec depending on input, sometimes less. sometimes much less.
<Ellied> oh, we're talking about video files. I did my usual thing and only read the last three lines and assumed we were talking about interface buses.
<bofh> No, that was from the metadata of the above mp4 I'm rtmpdumping (WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN FLV CONTAINER BTW)
<Ellied> ah
<bofh> SnoopJeDi who is the multimedia tech at TAMU I want to yell at them
<SnoopJeDi> It's normally slightly better quality but...yes, our IT is awful.
<SnoopJeDi> Please direct as much invective as you can to central IT and/or the state legislature.
<SnoopJeDi> I like buying our dept IT guy a drink at happy hour because he has to put up with those nitwits
<Ellied> Is IT at universities ever good?
<SnoopJeDi> UMBC's was great!
<bofh> UIUC's is *okay* most of the time.
<rqou> UCB's is "fun" because it's one of the oldest ecosystems
<rqou> e.g. you can _still_ use "mail" to check email for lab computer accounts
<SnoopJeDi> my math advisor used `pine` heh
<bofh> Same with my master's supervisor (who also always mixed up arguments to ln -s, amusingly)
<SnoopJeDi> I should just alias ln to ln --help | head -5 because same
<SnoopJeDi> ...actually, I may well do exactly that for bare ln because "ln: missing file operand Try 'ln --help' for more information." is worthless
<Ellied> Slide A should be after slice B. Slide C should be before slide B. Slide C should be after slide A.
* Ellied is gripe
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: UmbralRaptor left a message for you in #kspacademia [01.12.2017 01:28:03]: "http://spirou.irap.omp.eu/News-Discoveries/News/2017-November-SPIRou-stares-at-the-Sun"
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Fiora
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<rqou> it turns out that a continuous time system != a discrete time system :P
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn rqou
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<egg|afk|egg> bofh: uh
<egg|afk|egg> bofh: so it turns out that the central finite difference has the same leading coefficient on its error term as the one-sided one
<egg|afk|egg> wait no
<egg|afk|egg> bofh: Ꙩ_ꙩ it's much larger actually??!
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<egg|afk|egg> wat
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<bofh> egg|afk|egg: wait what, it's *larger*?! why/how???
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<egg|work|egg> bofh: I know right
<egg|work|egg> bofh: hmm, so one thing is that you don't use the central value, maybe that vaguely explains something? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_difference_coefficient
<egg|work|egg> bofh: tbh not sure how relevant that leading coefficient is either
<egg|work|egg> Ellied: um, what is the shape of that slide deck
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<bofh> egg|work|egg: huh, I wonder if the central value is unusually bad wrt contributing to theerror, or conversely unusually important towards not.
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
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<kmath> <kevinschawinski> Guys… @FlatUniverseSoc https://t.co/3Fu2ka6uy1
<kmath> YouTube - Sneezing Chicken
<kmath> <treelobsters> Wait... You mean we're *not* supposed to stuff turkeys with mistletoe? I feel so disillusioned. https://t.co/kruoiURR0D
<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a doomed bus
<UmbralRaptor> How will I get to class? D:
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|work|egg
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<bofh> !wpn egg|work|egg
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<e_14159> Did somebody say Neural Networks?
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a particle spring heptagon
<egg|work|egg> !kd 17
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: ID: 17 | Name: et al./Falcon 9 v1.2 | Time: 2017-12-04 19:53:00 | Unixtime: 1512417180 | Left: 3d 2h 53m 22s
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: Description: A Falcon 9 v1.2 will launch a Dragon spacecraft delivering cargo to the ISS, together with TSIS (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/tsis.htm), MISSE-FF 1 (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/misse-ff.htm), and SDS (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sds_iss.htm) from SLC-40
<egg|work|egg> !kd -edit:17 time 2017-12-08T18:20Z
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: Updated event #17: et al./Falcon 9 v1.2 - A Falcon 9 v1.2 will launch a Dragon spacecraft delivering cargo to the ISS, together with TSIS (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/tsis.htm), MISSE-FF 1 (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/misse-ff.htm), and SDS (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sds_iss.htm) from SLC-40 - 2017-12-08 18:20:00
<Ellied> egg|work|egg: the one I posted a sliver of on twitter?
<egg|work|egg> ?
<egg|work|egg> ah the slide deck? must have missed that
<Ellied> which slide deck were you referring to
<egg|work|egg> the A > B, C < B, C > A one
<UmbralRaptor> For some reason I read that as \epsilon_{abc}
<Ellied> oh yeah, same one. Trying to figure out which order to put my introductions to Raspberry Pis, my counter module, and photon detectors in
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<UmbralRaptor> Median observations per star: 0. Mean: 35.
<UmbralRaptor> 100% time allocation for a 5 year survey.
<kmath> <bofh453> @diodelass So I've accidentally keyed down a 100W class-AB amplifier made of a pair of 6146es into a dead short for… https://t.co/woBLTZEAGW
<bofh> nothing like sinking 100W into a dead short.
<UmbralRaptor> At least nothing caught on fire?
<bofh> Everything was perfectly fine, hilariously.
<bofh> Oh man that reminds me of the second-weirdest feeling I've ever had, which was keying down ~80W (or thereabouts) at ~7.2MHz into a portable dipole about 20cm away from my head.
<bofh> I can't describe it, it was incredibly strange. I'm also not in the mood to ever repeat it
<bofh> (solution btw was to step back a meter & try again. <3 inverse-square law)
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<bofh> Turns out accidentally TMSing yourself with the Barkley Shut-Up & Jam: Gaiden theme modulated to LSB-LC is not a good idea, who knew.
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<SnoopJeDi> LIGO/VIRGO panel is going on live atm https://www.youtube.com/c/JinawebOrg/live
<bofh> Ooh!
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<SnoopJeDi> oh my god I love this animation
<Ellied> bofh: if it's a dipole, wouldn't that be inverse-cube?
<SnoopJeDi> oh that reminds me. bofh one of the more tractable portions of Strominger's lecture yesterday was some discussion of "gravitational memory" which was new to me, but apparently LISA should be able to observe it?
<Ellied> ...did we lose net neutrality already? a bunch of sites are suddenly failing to connect when I'm on uni wifi but not when I'm on mobile data.
<Ellied> twitter doesn't go through, but facebook does. google is fine.
<Ellied> onion.link doesn't go through either, so my easy method of getting to sci-hub is now a no-go :I
<Ellied> still holding out hope that this is just some kind of transient error on the network but I don't know how reasonable that is :/
<Ellied> the DNS still resolves, but no pings return from the associated addresses
<SnoopJeDi> that sounds like uni is just filtering your traffic
<SnoopJeDi> or rather, those routes fail and *maybe* it's a deliberate filter, heh
<SnoopJeDi> also speaking of which, tracert maybe?
<Ellied> oh, heh, just as I was getting screenshots to post on twitter those sites started going through again
<Ellied> strikes me as a weird thing to have happen by accident though :?
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<SnoopJeDi> networking is impossible even on a trivial scale :(
<SnoopJeDi> "the ping's the thing to check the connectivity of the king" - Billiam Shakespeare
<egg|afk|egg> bofh: yeah so in a sense the central finite difference is has order n+1, since you don't use f(0), so it's actually a formula with one less point
<egg|afk|egg> bofh: but if you compare with the equal-order backward difference formula, the error term is nicer on the backward difference
<Ellied> I can never type "ping bing.com" with a straight face
<egg|afk|egg> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied a graphite greebled endomorphism which strongly resembles a decagon
<Ellied> !wpn egg|afk|egg
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<UmbralRaptor> SCP 8601
<egg|afk|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg> !wpn Fiora
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<kmath> <MrsHebertMath> If Elizabeth is terrified of spiders, she's not going to stand in the room long enough to figure out if the spider… https://t.co/5UY4laFQrg
<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg
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<Ellied> !wpn -add:adj magnetoelectric
<Qboid> Ellied: Adjective added!
<kmath> <stephentyrone> @rygorous @FioraAeterna @2pi_dk Be careful with the commutative diagrams, you'll attract the Haskell Strike Force.
<SnoopJeDi> Magnetism is an illusion, teach the controversy!
<Ellied> I never quite grasped that in E&M. Is the magnetic field a literal thing, or can all of its behavior be explained by time-dependent electric fields?
<Ellied> there are several small reasons why I want to call that nonsense but I'm not sure enough of any of them to dismiss the idea completely
<bofh> (extremely field theorist hat) there is no electric or magnetic field, only Zuu^H^H^Hthe electromagnetic tensor
<bofh> s/hat/voice/
<Qboid> bofh meant to say: (extremely field theorist voice) there is no electric or magnetic field, only Zuu^H^H^Hthe electromagnetic tensor
<UmbralRaptor> I want to say that there's a formulation where Maxwell's equations can be written as 2 functions instead of 4.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: nah, there's a formulation where it's *eldritch rune* = 0
<UmbralRaptor> egg: Isn't that the general description of Laplace's equation?
<egg> ah you still need F = dA, hmm
<SnoopJeDi> Ellied, do jazz-hands, spin around 3 times chanting "Relativity inevitability" and consult Purcell's derivation
<SnoopJeDi> but no seriously Purcell's book is awesome on this matter, as is Veritasium actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0
<kmath> YouTube - How Special Relativity Makes Magnets Work
<SnoopJeDi> (which is a special case of Veritasium being awesome on most things)
<egg> bofh: well yes, there is only F
<egg> bofh: also J
<Ellied> huh
<Ellied> wrong monosyllable. hmm*
<bofh> egg: isn't dF=d*F=0?
<bofh> ~*~ Hodge Star Operator ~*~
<egg> bofh: um, are those 0s the same?
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<UmbralRaptor> J is some sort of spin, right?
<UmbralRaptor> egg: 0 ≠ 0?
<SnoopJeDi> it's a current term in this context UmbralRaptor
<egg> μ
<SnoopJeDi> or more generally a source :P
<UmbralRaptor> ρ_J
<egg> that looks like a smiley of sorts
<bofh> egg: equivalence class of zero, happy? :P
<egg> groan
<egg> bofh: your equivalence class offends my sense of decency :-p
<bofh> like I mean technically speaking I should write it as dF=0,d*F=0 since dF!=d*F for any reasonable definition of 'equals', yeah.
<Ellied> hodgepodge star operator?
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<egg> Ellied: yup
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<Ellied> oh, twitter went back to being blocked
<SnoopJeDi> that's aggravating
<Ellied> annd back again
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<Ellied> This is the sort of network problem that, if I were to suddenly understand exactly why it's happening, I would probably go mad immediately.
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: so it seems that I can't find ocular holders for 31,75 mm for the ANBOscope anymore
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: which probably means I should buy a new ANBOscope in 50,8 mm?
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: what should the ANBOscope be
<egg|nomz|egg> also Ꙩ_ꙩ at the diametre of oculars approaching 60 mm
<UmbralRaptor> egg: Is a 100 m segmented array an option?
<egg|nomz|egg> um
* UmbralRaptor gives egg|nomz|egg an OWL.
<UmbralRaptor> More seriously, a newt or cat in the 20 cm range?
<bofh> the True Anomaly, Mean Anomaly & Eccentric Anomaly sound like middle-school gang members in a John Hughes film.
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<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: hmm
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: what about other kinds of reflectors? also what kind of cat?
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: so I don't think I can fit a 100 m array
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<UmbralRaptor> Well, RCTs tend to be €€€, and I'm not sure there's a benefit unless you use CCDs instead of eyepieces.
<UmbralRaptor> As for the cats, depends on what deals are available? I think SCTs are usually larger than MCTs.
<egg|nomz|egg> so assuming I'm going for 200 mm, let's not build an OWL
<egg|nomz|egg> (I can't fit anything larger than 50 m anyway and the mount would probably take some space too)
<kmath> <ManishEarth> @ken_lunde Also can we take a moment to appreciate the smorgasbord of Han Unification variations in the background… https://t.co/6NjqAdKMHT
<egg|nomz|egg> (via whitequark)
* UmbralRaptor still likes that there's an alchemical symbol unification.
<rqou> whee, han unification
* egg|nomz|egg stares at https://twitter.com/mirihawke's bio
<egg|nomz|egg> she's not a cat?"
<egg|nomz|egg> s/"/!/
<Qboid> egg|nomz|egg meant to say: she's not a cat?!
<rqou> oh, i've actually encountered her IRL
<UmbralRaptor> Was coffee involved?
<rqou> no?
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: so probably a cat without a dew collecting plate, given the norman weather
<UmbralRaptor> Uh
<UmbralRaptor> Either that's not a cat, or we're talking about the meowing kind.
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: uh
<UmbralRaptor> So a newt or RCT?
<UmbralRaptor> (or a 3 mirror antistigmat?)
<egg|nomz|egg> UmbralRaptor: https://i.stack.imgur.com/nMY8Q.png
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather.
egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<egg> tbh "<UmbralRaptor> Either that's not a cat, or we're talking about the meowing kind." is quite quotable too
<egg> UmbralRaptor: but inaccurate?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: like, клевцов-cassegrain is a thing, same for field-максутов
<egg> and then vixen's weird refracting train in the focuser
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
* UmbralRaptor also ignores lens madness in the optical trains of lots of photometric and spectroscopic systems.
<egg> kitties!
<rqou> er, why are we discussing lenses?
<egg> rqou: because cats
<rqou> what
<egg> rqou: see the /topic
<UmbralRaptor> Catadioptric systems involve both reflective and refractive components.
<rqou> "Spiders are cat interferometers"?
<egg> yes
* egg stares at Fiora's profile picture and is confused by the chirality change
<UmbralRaptor> eg: maksutov-cassegrain telescopes, and the eyes of many animals (housecats, dogs, spiders…)
<UmbralRaptor> Hence dogs are cats. And as (some) spiders have 8 eyes…
<egg> rqou: see, it makes sense,
<rqou> i see
<rqou> btw, can someone try pinging 128.32.42.40 for me?
<UmbralRaptor> rqou: ~80% timeouts, 20% host unreachable
<rqou> ok, so they broke it
<rqou> it's not just me
<rqou> thanks EECS department IT :P
<rqou> the entire EECS infrastructure is down apparently. this is going to be fun for all the people that have to turn in projects
<egg> UmbralRaptor: also what kind of mount
<Fiora> egg: are you saying i don't obey CP symmetry
<egg> Fiora: try reversing time too, maybe it looks right then
<UmbralRaptor> egg: dob or unpowered EQ for visual, some sort of goto for photography.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: there are a bunch of gotos that don't have nice manual controls, which sounds unpleasant
<egg> also, Ꙩ_ꙩ at the upper reaches of the price ranges of mounts as usual
<UmbralRaptor> Very
* egg stares at Astro Physics
* UmbralRaptor hands egg a Planewave.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: also, I'm looking at this on a german site right now, it's a parallaktische Montierung (although they do say 'die man in Fachkreisen auch "Deutsche Montierung" nennt')
<UmbralRaptor> ?
<egg> UmbralRaptor: the german mount
<UmbralRaptor> GEM?
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: [GEM] => German Equatorial Mount
<UmbralRaptor> Planewave Optics has a 24" RCT for $65k.
<egg> UmbralRaptor: it's called a parralactic mount, and they say that it is also called german mount in the trade
<UmbralRaptor> (Mount is extra)
<egg> astro physics mount on that site: "STATT 12.798,32 EUR
<egg> Nur 12.394,96 EUR"
<UmbralRaptor> Hah
<egg> save a whole three percent!
<egg> they carry losmandys, which iirc have a nice manual override as well as either a clock drive or a goto?
<egg> s/rral/ral/
<Qboid> egg meant to say: UmbralRaptor: it's called a paralactic mount, and they say that it is also called german mount in the trade
<egg> s/lac/llac/
<Qboid> egg meant to say: UmbralRaptor: it's called a parrallactic mount, and they say that it is also called german mount in the trade
<egg> no I mean both you silly bot
<egg> blarg
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