egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<egg|zzz|egg> !u l
<Qboid> U+006C LATIN SMALL LETTER L (l)
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: there appears to be a trailing l at the end of the last observation in your latest lab note
<whitequark> oops
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: re. https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/947628630804516874, could those convoluted setups have higher yield?
<kmath> <whitequark> @bofh453 Yeah but why is everyone making these contrived setups then
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: random thought: Adams nearly found Neptune before Le Verrier; this is the Adams from things like Adams-Moulton; are there integration methods discovered/rediscovered by Le Verrier?
<egg|zzz|egg> (should I add Le Verrier to NewtonDelambreStørmerVerletLeapfrog or something :-p)
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptor: "This success allows us to hope that after thirty or forty years of observations of the new planet, one will be able to use it, in turn, to discover the one that follows in the order of distances to the Sun. And so forth; one will sadly soon come upon invisible celestial bodies, because of their immense distance to the Sun, but whose orbits will end up, in the following centuries, being traced
<egg|zzz|egg> with great exactness, thanks to the theory of secular inequalities."
<egg|zzz|egg> (Le Verrier, in Recherches sur les mouvements de la planète Herschel, 1846, last page, translation mine)
<kmath> <xzqx> The one great thing about extended spells of cold weather is how happy indoor/outdoor cats are to be inside https://t.co/ppkIMieVyj
* egg|zzz|egg pokes UmbralRaptor with Le Verrier and Herschel
* UmbralRaptor summons þór to fight off the ice giants.
<UmbralRaptor> Also, that's a nice quote from Le Verrier.
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: didn't really pan out that way did it :-p
<UmbralRaptor> egg|phone|egg: Nope, but I'm reminded of dark matter maps.
<UmbralRaptor> Also there's still that chance of planet 9.
<egg|phone|egg> True
<egg|phone|egg> Oh yeah there's that too
<egg|phone|egg> Any news from that one?
<UmbralRaptor> Just various nondetections but intriguing small KBOs and SDOs.
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: still fitting the expected clustering of arguments?
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<UmbralRaptor> AFAIK, yes.
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<UmbralRaptor> ?????
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<kmath> <mcclure111> Happy 2018, everyone! It's our final year, so let's make it count <3
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Fiora, UmbralRaptor, whitequark, et al.
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<kmath> <whitequark> things I haven't expected I'd need at Jan 1 2018: a significantly larger apparatus for generating elemental chlorin… https://t.co/nXOIAv87HV
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<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: what
<whitequark> the chlorines aren't going to put themselves there on their own you know
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a treasonous enriched pounce
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn -add:adj chlorinated
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Adjective already added!
<whitequark> !wpn -add:adj fluorinated
<Qboid> whitequark: Adjective already added!
<whitequark> !wpn -add:adj brominated
<Qboid> whitequark: Adjective added!
<whitequark> !wpn -add:adj halogenated
<Qboid> whitequark: Adjective added!
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn -add:adj nitrated
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Adjective already added!
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: hm, some more TRAPPIST-1 data, 1h is part of the resonance! https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.04166
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: github repo too https://github.com/rodluger/trappist1
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<kmath> <whitequark> *stares at hoses turning green* let me fucking guess silicone is freely permeable to chlorine either https://t.co/p0FsIQ5093
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: aaaaaa https://i.imgur.com/F32cvBc.png
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<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -add:EVEREST EPIC Variability Extraction and Removal for Exoplanet Science Targets
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -add:EPIC Ecliptic Plane Input Catalog
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I already know an explanation for EPIC! (Update it with !acr -update:EPIC Ecliptic Plane Input Catalog)
<egg|zzz|egg> EPIC?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [EPIC] => Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera
<egg|zzz|egg> aaaargh
<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -list
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I will send you a list of my acronyms!
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<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -update:EPIC Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera | Ecliptic Plane Input Catalog
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I updated the explanation for EPIC
<egg|zzz|egg> MAST?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [MAST] => Mikulski Archive at Space Telescope
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: the ProgName for the Spitzer observations backing "Seven temperate terrestrial planets around the nearby ultracool dwarf star TRAPPIST-1" is RED_WORL
<egg|zzz|egg> HAWK?
<egg|zzz|egg> HAWK-I?
<egg|zzz|egg> !acr -add:HAWK-I High Acuity Widefield K-band Imager
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
* UmbralRaptor gives egg a 747-SP
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptor: dug up the source data for the February 2017 Nature and May 2017 Nature Astronomy TRAPPIST papers, as well as Spitzer observing logs: https://photos.app.goo.gl/I6g10VHuxyUtk1s13
<egg|zzz|egg> (caveat: the spitzer logs (shaded red) and K2 safe mode (shaded grey) are UTC whereas the transits are barycentric because I'm too lazy to do the conversion right now)
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: why the 747-SP?
<UmbralRaptor> I thought HAWK was the name of a SOFIA instrument.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: there's HAWC
<egg|zzz|egg> HAWC?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [HAWC] => High Altitude Water Cherenkov observatory
<egg|zzz|egg> ...
<egg|zzz|egg> so much acronym collision
<egg|zzz|egg> ah but it's HAWC+
<UmbralRaptor> ah
* Ellied reads back
<Ellied> hydrofluoric acid... enema?
<Ellied> This happened on Earth? This sounds like a modernized version of Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: re. English punctuation, it's just the americans being silly with their quotation marks
<Ellied> I think Pinkbeast corrected me from "text". to "text." a while back
<egg|zzz|egg> pinkbeast got infected by the american typesetters D:
<Ellied> Sentence (parenthetical.) is definitely wrong, so why isn't Sentence "quotation." around here
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: huh, I thought the american nuttiness extended to the parentheses too
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: also, TRAPPIST-1 transit plots \o/
<Ellied> I haven't seen that
<Ellied> ooh
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: it does not.
<egg|zzz|egg> (yeah the backlog is long and full of catpics)
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: obvious solution: use catterplot.
<egg|zzz|egg> :D
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: currently looking for VLT observing logs so I can mark those in the plot too :-p
<egg|zzz|egg> (I may have nerd-sniped myself)
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: If this reanalysis is sufficient for publication in that AAS notes journal, I'll be amused.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: tbh I'm not reanalysing anything, just plotting a pretty pic
<egg|zzz|egg> (at some point I might make a principia initial state from the data though)
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: they give error bars on the transit times in the Nature paper (not plotted my plot), but not in the data file for the Nature Astronomy paper...
<egg|zzz|egg> (the K2 stuff)
<UmbralRaptor> Ꙫ_ꙫ
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: in the plots "curve. Each photometric data point is attached to a conservative error bar that accounts for the uncertainties in the detrending process presented in the previous section"
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: so they don't have error bars for each point in the dataset like in the Nature paper (where the data came from many telescopes, with smol errors from Spitzer and big ones from the ground stuff)
<egg|zzz|egg> wait no, the error bars vary quite a bit in the plot
<egg|zzz|egg> how do they compute them
* egg|zzz|egg stares at the sneks
* Ellied now has one (1) deactivated facebook account and zero (0) facebook-related applications on any device
<UmbralRaptor> \o/
<Ellied> I would go for the full deletion but I've already removed all my important info from my account and have enough faith in my own self-control not to accidentally go back, so it seems like unnecessary hassle
<Ellied> you have to put in an actual request to delete, apparently, which takes like 90 days to process
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: hm so the Nature astronomy paper does give 1σ credible intervals on the transit times, but no idea what those are on the other K2 transits in their dataset
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: grumble, am I going to have to work from the light curves
<egg|zzz|egg> moo
* UmbralRaptor hands egg|zzz|egg a knife?
<UmbralRaptor> ;8ball send a work email on January 1st?
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: Ask again later
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Ellied
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Fiora
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<soundnfury> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
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<kmath> <ObservatoryCats> Bob would like you to know he is starving to death. https://t.co/eygXnVz1cs
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: argh tidal effects significant https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.02957.pdf
<egg|zzz|egg> ;kmath do we need tides in Principia
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: Very doubtful
<egg|zzz|egg> hm maybe not?
* egg|zzz|egg pokes things with sticks
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|zzz|egg> oh "All integrations were saved in SimulationArchive
<egg|zzz|egg> format (Rein & Tamayo 2017) and we make them publicly
<egg|zzz|egg> available. This makes it possible for other users to
<egg|zzz|egg> reproduce the simulations bit by bit on different machine
<egg|zzz|egg> architectures."
<egg|zzz|egg> maybe I can just turn that into a principia config instead of working from the observations :-p
<egg|zzz|egg> ah, godbolt is aware of the msvc issue https://twitter.com/mattgodbolt/status/947940727547408386
<kmath> <mattgodbolt> #CompilerExplorer new update is having some teething issues with non-C++ languages and with MSVC. We have a fix lin… https://t.co/AiodJDCgEQ
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<UmbralRaptor> Note to self: review magnetic vector potential, small oscillations, and all sorts of ridgid body rotation/moment of inertia stuff.
* UmbralRaptor may have been doing practice problems.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: tides on TRAPPIST 1?
<UmbralRaptor> yep
<kmath> <xzqx> May we all be as happy this year as my sweet Christina is https://t.co/Y7aUiV2c3O
<soundnfury> !wpn the cat
* Qboid gives the cat a floofy trellis parabola-like sum
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: yeah but actually perhaps not, which is what that arxiv link is about
<kmath> <Bodegacats_> https://t.co/9r91lcehnL
<egg|zzz|egg> !choose zzz|notzzz
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Your options are: zzz, notzzz. My choice: zzz
<egg|zzz|egg> ;choose zzz|notzzz
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: zzz
* egg|zzz|egg zzz
<UmbralRaptor> Bot consensus.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a chromium tressym
<UmbralRaptor> !wa tressym
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Seems that Wolfram is unable to understand that.
<UmbralRaptor> Winged kitty!
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: so I was going to sleep and then eevee tweeted about integrators
<egg|zzz|egg> help
<UmbralRaptor> By talking about integrators for you?
<kmath> <NGC3314> RIP McMath-Pierce solar telescope at Kitt Peak (1962-2017). As of today, telescope operations have ceased and visit… https://t.co/ruVBMq1tp2