egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
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<Ellied> I'm beginning to wonder if humans can handle computers
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<UmbralRaptor> Ellied: the good news, is that unless you're a cloud services company, it seems like you're not in extreme danger? You'll still get hacked/lose data, but it will never touch your hardware, and you probably won't get blamed.
<Ellied> true
<Ellied> Good thing I've been extremely itchy about putting data on cloud services for the past few years :D
<Ellied> the worst I have on google drive is a few presentations from past quarters
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<kmath> <eevee> oh and this can apparently be done from javascript, and will almost certainly be all over ad networks in a few weeks
<icefire> javascript was a mistake
<Ellied> yeah, time to update my hosts file again
<icefire> I have noscript but half the web is non-functional without javascript
<icefire> just add that to the list of things I would prevent from happening if I had a time machine
<UmbralRaptor> *80* mph? As in cat 1 hurricane equivalent winds? https://twitter.com/WEATHERISHAPPEN/status/948730273763614725
<kmath> <WEATHERISHAPPEN> > HEERS UR UPD8D SNOWTOTES MAP 4 BOSTON & MASSACHUSETTS > UR ABOWT 2 GET TH BIG DUMP OF TH DUMB WHITE STUFF > BE SA… https://t.co/9hRqucKsb8
<UmbralRaptor> (good news: they'll be maybe 25 mph in my part of VA)
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<UmbralRaptor> yay
<UmbralRaptor> Also yay, this is a human factors problem, so the solutions are completely understandable.
<bofh> A *lot* of CSB investigations turn up primarily human factors problems tbh.
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<UmbralRaptor> Site feels oddly sketchy, but neat idea. http://fffff.at/free-universal-construction-kit
<kmath> <worddroppings> I have 25 pounds of cat in my lap. #reytheimp #cats #finnthemoose #catladylife https://t.co/MMVE6M4rOt
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<kmath> <stephentyrone> @johnregehr (Pulls up our thermostat on the web to make sure there isn’t a frozen cat in our house.)
<kmath> <whitequark> @johnregehr @stephentyrone warm desert animal with like eight centimeters of fur
<whitequark> I think that's like the most I've seen on a cat
<whitequark> a russian cat, to be sure
<egg|zzz|egg> that seems like a lot
<whitequark> yeah it really screwed her over when she became older
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: but in light of the following tweet in that thread, was that cat more irresistibly soft than average,
<whitequark> she also had claws larger than average
<egg|zzz|egg> stabby cat
<egg|work|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a sparse Stern-Gerlach printer
<egg|work|egg> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora a Bravais mine
<egg|work|egg> !wpn -add:wpn earthquake
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: Weapon added!
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn egg|work|egg
* Qboid gives egg|work|egg a copper king
<egg|work|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor a global YASD with a hug attachment
* egg|work|egg pokes Guest79530 in the greening galaxy
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<kmath> <elakdawalla> Cassini is gone, but the mission continues. It's Cassini data release day -- data from Jan, Feb, Mar 2017 now avail… https://t.co/W2mQA9w1wd
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<egg|phone|egg> !Wpn whitequark
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<bofh> !wpn egg|phone|egg
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<bofh> UmbralRaptor: yes, this is basically a snowicane
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: Eek. Good news here is that we got 1? inch. Currently looking at 267 K (falling to 260 K overnight) and 12 m/s winds.
<UmbralRaptor> Oh no. I just realized that because my poster is on Friday 2017-01-12, I can procrasrinate on it until the AAS meeting is almost over.
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a pythonic observable
<egg|zzz|egg> !pwn UmbralRaptor
<egg|zzz|egg> um.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptor an asm.js
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn pizzaoverhead
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<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|zzz|egg> <whitequark> yeah it really screwed her over when she became older << what happened?
<kmath> <ObservatoryCats> Fangs of contentment https://t.co/s9I2LNVwcF
<pizzaoverhead> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a surjective buffer
<UmbralRaptor> Lemaître,1993
<UmbralRaptor> uh
<UmbralRaptor> Also, neat to see Shoemaker there.
<UmbralRaptor> … Kozai!
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: speaking of which you have a bug assigned to you
<UmbralRaptor> uh
<egg|zzz|egg> well not actually assigned to you but morally it's yours :-p
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
* egg|zzz|egg pokes UmbralRaptor with #1119
<Qboid> [#1119] title: Лидов–古在 mechanism test | @pdn4kd suggested a test that demonstrates the [Лидов–古在 mechanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozai_mechanism).... | https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/principia/issues/1119
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptor: wow computing proper elements is *hard* (see the first paragraph of section 2.3 in the above paper) Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg|zzz|egg> stabbity stab the variational equations
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: also this paper is from 2002, although it also cites Lemaître 1993
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: As in I thought he died in 1966.
<UmbralRaptor> Also, dev might be a bit hard with currently available computers.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: well he published in 2002
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: I thought you had a mac birb?
<UmbralRaptor> I do.
<UmbralRaptor> If Principia builds on Macs now, I'd still need to unb0rk xcode.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: you don't need to use xcode
<egg|zzz|egg> I mean, you can if you want
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: it builds on mac, we've been releasing on mac for a few moons now
<egg|zzz|egg> and I haz a mac to check things
<egg|zzz|egg> (my corp mac :-p)
<UmbralRaptor> I don't, but as best I can tell, OSX needs xcode working to compile anything in C.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: he died in 1966, but she published in 2002 and 1993: https://directory.unamur.be/staff/alemaitr/publications?ordering=typeClassification&descending=False&_LOCALE_=en
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: um
<UmbralRaptor> Ah, namespace collision.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: I don't use xcode to build this on my mac, so I'm confused
<egg|zzz|egg> "OrbFit has recently exceeded the 240,000 lines of Fortran95" *sob*
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: yeah computing mean anomaly/eccentricity/apsides *sucks*
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: uh, mean anomaly?
<egg|zzz|egg> isn't that a very osculating thing?
<UmbralRaptor> 240 KLOC?
<UmbralRaptor> o_O
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: let me double check why cython had problems.
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: http://sci-hub.hk/10.1023/A:1011187405509 blaaargh
<UmbralRaptor> No, autocorrect, cython, not cthonic.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: well, just try building principia, that might be more directly useful than poking at cnakes
<egg|zzz|egg> snec
<egg|zzz|egg> SNECMA?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [SNECMA] => Société Nationale d'Études et de Construction de Moteurs d'Aviation
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: well, my sneks do suffer from eggstreme slowness in calculating RVs…
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: clearly you should write a utility in principia to calculate radial velocities
<egg|zzz|egg> that way you can cite principia in your papers! \o/
<UmbralRaptor> Uh
<egg|zzz|egg> if you use the code in this repository, please link cite the repository and the following work: Newton, I. (1687) - Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica,
<egg|zzz|egg> s/link //
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg meant to say: if you use the code in this repository, please cite the repository and the following work: Newton, I. (1687) - Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica,
<UmbralRaptor> What is Newton's h-index?
<egg|zzz|egg> 58
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<egg|zzz|egg> okay the publication dates on that page are wonky :-p
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Ellied
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<Ellied> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
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<egg|zzz|egg> well, a rotation counts as a diffeomorphism, right?
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn kmath_
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn Ellied
* Qboid gives Ellied an arctic corpuscule
<Ellied> yay, corpuscules
<Ellied> now I'll have that word running around in my head for another month -_-
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: I don't know, you have anacondas in there, so it's probably cursed
<egg|zzz|egg> try building principia :-p
<UmbralRaptor> ;8ball use my remaining data on Principia?
<kmath_> UmbralRaptor: Nope
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: okay, but when you're on wifi
<UmbralRaptor> Okay.
<UmbralRaptor> … gcc complains about xcrun missing also.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: btw your issue seems to be fixed by xcode-select --install dixit stackoverflow
<egg|zzz|egg> have you tried that?
<UmbralRaptor> And clang
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah, seems everything will indeed break
<UmbralRaptor> Uh, I don't recall,
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: try it?
<UmbralRaptor> Once I have WiFi?
<Ellied> Day 2-ish of both languages: Java is a pile of ass, Rust is beautiful
* Ellied is taking a course where Java is required, but doing all the assignments again in Rust, at least for now
<Ellied> not only is Java required, so is Eclipse. :(
* egg|zzz|egg pets Ellied with some transiting cats https://twitter.com/eggleroy/status/948351020651941888
<kmath_> <eggleroy> At @Newpa_Hasai's request, also with cats (cat length is 50× the transit duration). https://t.co/Hr5kVcfKAo
<UmbralRaptor> Eugh, Eclipse.
* UmbralRaptor hugs vim.
<Ellied> egg|zzz|egg: I would much prefer that kind of eclipse
<egg|zzz|egg> eclipse by cats?
<Ellied> yes
<Ellied> I couldn't even get Eclipse to run on my toughbook, it just hung whenever I tried to open anything, so I just did the code he demoed in class in vim (and then failed to compile it, rip)
<Ellied> Java: where float x = 2 + 4.5 assigns 6.5, String x = 5 + "ish" assigns "5ish", and int x = 2 + 4.5 produces a type error.
<UmbralRaptor> The better kind of eclipse: a cat lying on you, while you lie in a sunbeam.
<UmbralRaptor> Wait, int x = 2 + 4.5 doesn't result in 6?
* UmbralRaptor pokes Java with a stick.
<Ellied> PROF: "so how would you make this string and this int print together on one line?" STUDENT: "oh, just add the int with a + sign after the string inside the print statement." ME [aside to friend]: "there's no way that's gonna work." FRIEND: "oh, it does actually."
<Ellied> ME: "i'm in hell"
<UmbralRaptor> …
<UmbralRaptor> Not something like converting the 5 to a string first? o_O
<Ellied> nope, it does that completely implicitly
<UmbralRaptor> But it doesn't implicitly convert floats to ints?
<Ellied> PROF: "I know you're used to Python, but this isn't like Python, you have to declare all your types explicitly" [2 minutes later: see above]
<Ellied> nope.
<Ellied> int -> float -> str works, but apparently not in reverse.
<UmbralRaptor> Python will yell at you if you try print(5+"potato")
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: in C# string + object does tostring on the latter too (but float casts to int C-style iirc)
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp "cat"+5
<Qboid> cat5
<Ellied> what's even the point of implicit type coercion
<egg|zzz|egg> I mean float casts implicitly in C#
<Ellied> !csharp int x = "5" + 5; x
<Qboid> (1,10): error CS0029: Cannot implicitly convert type `string' to `int'
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah it's just tostring
<UmbralRaptor> Convenience in some cases.
<egg|zzz|egg> (which is something that object has, so applies to everything)
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp "cat" + new System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary<string, int>()
<Qboid> catSystem.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[System.String,System.Int32]
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp class Dog { public override string ToString() { return "cat"; } }
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp "" + new Dog()
<Qboid> cat
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: see also the /topic.
<egg|zzz|egg> !csharp string x = 5
<Qboid> (1,13): error CS0029: Cannot implicitly convert type `int' to `string'
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: note that this is not implicit conversion ^
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: this is just the string concatenation operator that turns things to string (that tends to be useful when you want to write logs/error messages/whatever)
<egg|zzz|egg> Ellied: no idea what it is in java, but maybe it's something similar?
<egg|zzz|egg> yeah, seems it's the same
<egg|zzz|egg> absl::StrCat also does number-to-string conversions; it has the advantage of not being called + though