egg|nomz|egg changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer.
<Moistmelon> err
<Moistmelon> egg|anbo|egg: what is libstdc++
<whitequark> Moistmelon: you don't want to know >_>
<whitequark> literally every part of it is filled with indescribable horrors
<Moistmelon> ... goto?
<Moistmelon> ;D
<whitequark> for starters, it is related to C++
<whitequark> seriously though it is gcc's c++ standard library
<Moistmelon> Dude I program w/ gnu89 and Codesys for a living
<Moistmelon> C++ def scary lol
<whitequark> C89?! I'm sorry
<Moistmelon> yeah -_- I can't say I agree w/ the company's decision on that one.
* whitequark looks up Codesys
<egg|anbo|egg> Moistmelon: how is goto a horror though https://mastodon.social/@whitequark/1441550
<whitequark> oh god.
<egg|anbo|egg> whitequark: btw, I confirm that the goto is alive and well, and there's another similar one :-)
<whitequark> >As of 2017, microcontrollers using the C166 architecture are still being manufactured by NIIET in Voronesh, Russia, as part of the 1887 series of integrated circuits. This includes a radiation-hardened device under the designation 1887VE6T (Russian: 1887ВЕ6Т).[3]
<whitequark> WTF
<whitequark> does anyone want a decap of these
<Moistmelon> That'd be dope
<whitequark> that's one hell of a leadframe
<Moistmelon> whitequark: actually I forget what code I was reading recently but they used goto and it actually made sense
<Moistmelon> iirc it was some SPI driver code in the STM32F4 HAL
<whitequark> the vendor NIIET is located at "Old Bolsheviks street" which is incredibly appropriate
<whitequark> Moistmelon: I am not against goto by any measure
<whitequark> I *am* against ladder logic though
<Moistmelon> Basically they had a whole bunch of shit they were doing, and then ONE label at the end of the function labeled "error: ", and each error check in the preceeding code had a if(something that causes and error) { goto error }
<Moistmelon> lol luckily I'm not doing any ladder logic
<Moistmelon> just Structured Text
<whitequark> yes, that's perfectly reasonable use of goto
<whitequark> it is widely understood by any sane C programmers as acceptable
<Moistmelon> Really the only one lol
Moistmelon is now known as Wetmelon
<whitequark> there's probably something else I'm missing, but this is the primary one, yeah
<egg|anbo|egg> hey my stepsize control gotos are nice too :-p
<whitequark> Wetmelon: I'm so happy I never touch anything older than, iunno, Rust and Cortex-M :P
<whitequark> the -M series interrupt controller is amazing
<whitequark> have you seen it?
<Wetmelon> The physical hardware?
<whitequark> the logic it follows
<Wetmelon> I've USED the interrupt controller, the NVIC or w/e
<whitequark> yeah NVIC
<Wetmelon> Haven't dug too much into how it works
<whitequark> it has a microsequencer that knows the C ABI and stacks/unstacks the registers
<whitequark> moreover, it understands interrupt priorities, so if while stacking registers a higher-prio interrupt comes in, it continues stacking, and just serves the higher-prio one
<whitequark> then it *doesn't unstack*, serves the lower-prio one, and unstacks
<whitequark> does wonders for worst-case latency
<Wetmelon> Huh. Neat
<Wetmelon> Gotta go do xmas dinner w/ the fam :)
<Wetmelon> Merry Christmas errybody :D
<egg|anbo|egg> thanks, you too (it's the 26th here though :-p)
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn Wetmelon
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<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn whitequark
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<egg|anbo|egg> !choose zzz|notzzz
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: Your options are: zzz, notzzz. My choice: zzz
<egg|anbo|egg> ;choose zzz|notzzz
<kmath> egg|anbo|egg: notzzz
<UmbralRaptor> Raptorchoose: is there coffee available?
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: it's 2
<egg|anbo|egg> and it's raining so no observations
<egg|anbo|egg> maybe I can observe on the evening of the 27th?
<UmbralRaptor> Maybe.
<egg|anbo|egg> also I woke ANBOcat when going downstairs to grab a bottle of water
* egg|anbo|egg zzz
<kmath> https://twitter.com/Newpa_Hasai/status/944984753782034432 <Newpa_Hasai> Note to self: giving a time in seconds when minutes are expected results in very few observations per night.
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<UmbralRaptor> egg|cell|egg: Consider the difficulties in attempting to observe a star for, say, 900 minutes at a time.
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<egg|cell|egg> UmbralRaptor: where is your telescope
<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn whitequark
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<egg|cell|egg> !Wpn UmbralRaptor
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<egg|phone|egg> Fiora: what's a lunchable
<bofh> egg|phone|egg: "neatly partitioned meats and cheeses appeal to me on an aesthetic level ok mfer"
<egg|phone|egg> Confusion intensifies
* egg|phone|egg pets a cat
<egg|phone|egg> !Wpn bofh
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<egg|phone|egg> I observed some cows today
<UmbralRaptor> egg|anbo|egg: the telescope in that case is just a few lines I'm a config file, but it pretends to be on Kitt Peak.
<egg|phone|egg> Yeah that's not going to work out so well then
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: also, cows!
<UmbralRaptor> Yay, cows.
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: it's fun to compare those to the cow plates taken through the ortho or Huygens
<egg|phone|egg> Wide field cows
<egg|phone|egg> Why are they still out so late
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: should I use the sidereal tracking rate for cows
<UmbralRaptor> Cow motions are dominated by proper motion and peculiar velocities, so rye sidereal drive seems ineffective?
<egg|phone|egg> Public lighting just turned on
<egg|phone|egg> And a boat transited it
<egg|phone|egg> The cows are orbited by a boat
<egg|phone|egg> Bovine surface brightness is going down
<egg|phone|egg> High proper motions within the cow cluster
<egg|phone|egg> A cow is escaping the cluster
<UmbralRaptor> The interactions do not follow the inverse square law, right?
<egg|phone|egg> Insufficient data for meaningful answer
<egg|phone|egg> Surface brightness continues to decrease, I can now resolve only a couple of cows within the cluster
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: cluster of variable cows?
<UmbralRaptor> possibly
<UmbralRaptor> Perhaps the cows would be better resolved in IR?
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<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: yes, but I don't think I have the opticks for that
<egg|anbo|egg> XMM?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [XMM] => X-ray Multi-Mirror
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor> Interesting choice of antenna, Qboid.
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<Iskierka> omnidirectional omnifrequency?
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<UmbralRaptor> Anyway, Зени́т! https://youtu.be/dLWsqQs8Iys
<kmath> YouTube - Прямая трансляция запуска РН "Зенит-2SБ" с КА "Ангосат"
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: oh nice
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: you should add it to Qboid's kountdown
<UmbralRaptor> !help kountdown
<Qboid> kountdown: Prints out the details for Kountdown Events
<Qboid> parameters: -add (Add Kountdown event. Syntax: !kountdown -add name|description|time.), -list (List pending Kountdown Events or subscribers), -remove (Delete Kountdown by id.), -edit (Edits a Kountdown by id.), -subscribe (Subscribe yourself or a channel to Kountdown.), -unsubscribe (Unsubscribes yourself or a channel from the Kountdown.)
<Qboid> example: !kountdown 1
<UmbralRaptor> !kountdown -add Зенит-2SБ/Ангосат|A Zenit-2SB carrier rocket launches Angosat https://youtu.be/dLWsqQs8Iys|2017-12-26T19:00:00
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: Added event #18
<UmbralRaptor> 3F? maybe?
<egg|anbo|egg> !kd 16
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: ID: 16 | Name: #2/Союз-2.1б | Time: 2017-12-02 10:30:00 | Unixtime: 1512210600 | Left: 24d 7h 31m 52s
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: Description: A Союз-2.1б will launch a Лотос (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/lotos.htm) from Плесецк-43/3
<egg|anbo|egg> um did the beginning of that one's name get stripped
<egg|anbo|egg> !kd 15
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: ID: 15 | Name: SkySat 8..13/Minotaur-C-3210 | Time: 2017-10-31 21:37:00 | Unixtime: 1509485820 | Left: 55d 20h 25m 32s
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: Description: A Minotaur-C-3210 will launch six SSTL-50-based SkySat satellites (http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/skysat-3.htm) from Vandenberg Launch Complex 576E into a 500 km altitude heliosynchronous orbit
<Iskierka> wiki says 3F
<UmbralRaptor> Not sure why the YouTube page says 2SB
<egg|anbo|egg> USP
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: the 2SB seems to be the first stage? http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/zenit-3f.htm
<egg|anbo|egg> wait no everything is 2SB
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: designations are weird http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_fam/zenit.htm
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<UmbralRaptor> Hm. I'm using so little energy in my apt that my effective cost per kWh is absurd.
<UmbralRaptor> 67 ¢/kWh this month.
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: I seem to have found a cat claw on the carpet Ꙩ_ꙩ
<UmbralRaptor> They sometimes come off.
<egg|anbo|egg> huh
<APlayer> Uh, how much of that was a joke?
* egg|phone|egg being trampled by anbocat
<egg|phone|egg> !Wpn UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor> !wpn Ellied
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* UmbralRaptor ? OSX in the package management.
<UmbralRaptor> (since I can't just apt-get wget)
<egg|phone|egg> Whitequark: can non-mammals be epileptic or bipolar? (And does депакотя work on them)
<egg|phone|egg> (and how far from mammals can you go)
<egg|phone|egg> Epileptic octopodes?
<bofh> So I know epileptic true parrots (amazon parrots/african grey parrots/lovebirds) & epileptic finches/canaries are both a thing.
<egg|phone|egg> Ah, so that covers UmbralRaptor's relatives
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<UmbralRaptor> I want to type that birds do lots of things that supposedly require brain structures unique to mammals.
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<egg|phone|egg> But can octopodes be epileptic
<whitequark> egg|phone|egg: no idea
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: what would you recommend in the sky of ANBO tomorrow at 19-20 preferably not WNW
<egg|phone|egg> (bearing in mind that the anboscope is 60 mm)
<UmbralRaptor> Messier 42/43, obviously.
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<UmbralRaptor> M 35-37 for open clusters.
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, my brother is quite the player of ARK, and he explained that he has a particular naming scheme for his dromeosaurae: https://i.imgur.com/xvGyX8s.jpg
* UmbralRaptor glares at ☽
<UmbralRaptor> (well, ?)
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: what happens if he gets more than 12?
<SnoopJeDi> 12?
<egg|phone|egg> UmbralRaptor: Already? I wrote the Christoffel release notes recently...
<egg|phone|egg> M42 is low at 19
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: I saw Eminem and Dre, and assumed it was a D12 thing?
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: seems to be ??
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<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: is M31 nice in a 60 mm
<egg|anbo|egg> (iirc I wasn't able to see anything previously but shitty eyepieces and shitty mount near the zenith so maybe it's better?)
<egg|anbo|egg> pleiades I guess?
<APlayer> M31 is Andromeda, right?
<APlayer> Aye, it is Andromeda
<APlayer> egg: So what is the ANBO all about? I mean, sure, astronomy, but more precisely? What do you do "day-to-day"?
<egg|anbo|egg> pet a cat
<APlayer> LOL. Anything else? :D
<Sarbian> I found the keyboard that egg|anbo|egg actually uses to code principia : https://youtu.be/oDozftThFMw?t=303
<kmath> YouTube - Symbolics Space Cadet keyboard review (Honeywell Hall effect 4B3E)
<UmbralRaptor> M31 and 45 are kinda large, though
<UmbralRaptor> (And Hayades. And Double cluster.)
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<egg|anbo|egg> Sarbian: :D
<Sarbian> (btw egg|anbo|egg , I ordered a WASD v2)
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: does M31 actually look decent in a 60 mm though
<egg|anbo|egg> Sarbian: nice
<egg|anbo|egg> Sarbian: I did show you my M31 keyboard right?
<Sarbian> not sure
<UmbralRaptor> egg|anbo|egg: unsure. I'm more typing that M31 will look best in something with a large FoV. Like an 80 mm finder.
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: yeah I know it looks good in the zurich scope :-p
<egg|anbo|egg> cat behaviour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdqBbvYX3MU
<kmath> YouTube - How do Cats Use Their Whiskers? Slow-Motion - Cats Uncovered - BBC
<egg|anbo|egg> cc whitequark
<egg|anbo|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptor
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<UmbralRaptor> AAAAAAAAAAAA
<egg|anbo|egg> Spitzer keyboard!
<egg|anbo|egg> MIPS?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [MIPS] => Multiband Imaging Photometer for Spitzer
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: Naglers are fun, with the 13 mm I should be able to fit the pleiades in the field (no chance of that with the Huygens 20 mm of course :-p)
<egg|anbo|egg> (yes that's with an 800 mm focal)
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: should I try the observing window at 4 in the morning or sleep and observe next night https://www.meteoblue.com/de/wetter/vorhersage/seeing/villequier_frankreich_2968472
<egg|anbo|egg> ARPEGE?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [ARPEGE] => Action de Recherche Petite Echelle Grande Echelle
<egg|anbo|egg> ICON?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [ICON] => ICOsahedral Nonhydrostatic
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: are the meteorologists worse than the astronomers,
<UmbralRaptor> The 4 am window should lack a moon?
<UmbralRaptor> egg|anbo|egg: I don't know how meteorologists handle acronyms.
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: well see the two examples above
<UmbralRaptor> hrm
<egg|anbo|egg> NEMS?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [NEMS] => NOAA Environmental Modeling System
<egg|anbo|egg> GEM?
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: [GEM] => German Equatorial Mount
<egg|anbo|egg> um
<egg|anbo|egg> AROME?
<egg|anbo|egg> !acr -add:AROME Applications de la Recherche à l'Opérationnel à Méso-Echelle
<Qboid> egg|anbo|egg: I added the explanation for this acronym.
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