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<whitequark> hm, awang quit
<whitequark> I might actually have been solving the same problem as them
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* UmbralRaptop 🔪 people
<UmbralRaptop> Why would you send me an email at 4 am about something I should register for and attend at 11 am?
<awang> whitequark: I was probably on my way home
<awang> What problem are you looking at?
<whitequark> I have pointer loads that I know always result in valid pointers
<whitequark> but LLVM doesn't always hoist these out of loops
<awang> brb, food
<awang> sorry :(
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: so that sounds like something I might even have done before in the past (in my defense, the deadline for registration was 11AM the next day and it was closer to 4:30AM).
<UmbralRaptop> bofh: On the upside, it looks like a thing that recurrs about once a week?
<kmath> <✔kevinschawinski> Autocorrect doesn’t know “tarball” and now people think I want to “tar all”, which is both ambitious and sinister.
<icefire> huh I should probably unescape html stuff that twitter sends kmath
<UmbralRaptop> … checkmark?
<icefire> "the compiler does &lt;X&gt; because n"
<icefire> the checkmark means they're verified
<UmbralRaptop> ah
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<SilverFox> so i'm pretty bad with math right
<SilverFox> so help me out here
<SilverFox> I have a multiplier for BPM for my heart in simulation
<SilverFox> 1 = 60bpm, 0.5 = 30bpm, 1.5 = 90bpm. would it just be like Heart_Rate = 60 * multiplier?
<whitequark> yes
<SilverFox> and thusly, multiplier = Heart_Rate / 60
<SilverFox> and will an int / float give a float or an int?
<whitequark> which language
<SilverFox> C#
<whitequark> no idea
<SilverFox> nice
<whitequark> cast int to float explicitly
<whitequark> then you will know
<SilverFox> it seems to be working, so all is well
<SilverFox> and the unity editor is shit at updating bools at high intervals
<SilverFox> I can't display a bool toggling at 120bpm or 2hz or else it won't display the changing sometimes
<icefire> C# should fail to build with implicit casting
<SilverFox> 100 is even iffy
<SilverFox> why would it fail to build?
<icefire> C# doesn't like implicit casts
<SilverFox> that's exactly what I'm doing
<SilverFox> BPM_Multiplier = Heart_Rate / 60f;
<SilverFox> where heart_rate is an int
<icefire> is BPM_Multiplier a float
<SilverFox> and BMP is a float
<icefire> thats why
<SilverFox> BPM sorry
<SilverFox> oh, it doesn't like if BPM would be an int
<SilverFox> okay I see
* UmbralRaptor 🔪 Nature in the paywall.
* UmbralRaptor 🔪 authors who don't use arXiv.
* UmbralRaptor hugs the other bird website.
<SilverFox> what times 0.8 will give 1.0?
<iximeow> SilverFox: 1.25 (== 1.0 / 0.8)
<SilverFox> neat thanks
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<SilverFox> I decided to change the size of the heart-sphere and now I can see 120bpm, this is truly amazing
<awang> whitequark: Oh jeez that's an old issue
<awang> Is that similar though? What I was looking at was pointer loads just in case the vtable for this changed
<awang> So it's more what changed behind the pointer than the pointer itself being non-dereferenceable
<Qboid> UmbralRaptor: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<kmath> <Jewelots_> found an old picture i took that I never shared https://t.co/4INho6kc7g
<kmath> <✔mbeisen> Post Oreo Peer Review #AddOreosImproveAnything
<bofh> Accurate.
<UmbralRaptor> New email from everyone's favorite Hungarian physicist!
<UmbralRaptor> Apparently time isn't real therefore GR is wrong therefore the gravitational wave discovery Nobel was wrong.
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<whitequark> well, time *isn't* real
<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: btw, котя gave birth
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: how is he still sending you mail *this* consistently?
<UmbralRaptor> bofh: this one has some mildly creepy bits (he knows I've read some of them)
<iximeow> hungarian.. physicist?
<iximeow> there's context here
<UmbralRaptor> iximeow: Gabor Feket
<bofh> ^
<iximeow> i love how the first result for googling the name is a reddit thread, "Anyone else get these weird emails..."
<bofh> I honestly feel a tiny bit left out in that I don't get mail from him.
<iximeow> UmbralRaptor: reply and cc bofh
<UmbralRaptor> He's only hit my UMKC address.
<bofh> OTOH I got quantum_physics_.doc which I think sorta makes up for that?
<bofh> http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~pbarfuss/quantum_physics_.txt for the morbidly curious (I also have the whole thing run thru Microsoft Sam in Ogg Speex-WB format if you'd prefer audiobook).
<UmbralRaptor> Hah
<UmbralRaptor> mojibake apostrophes o_O
<iximeow> "It is possible to name it Elementary Quantum of Plank (EQP)!"
<iximeow> yes, you can name thinhs
<iximeow> s/h/g/
<Qboid> iximeow meant to say: yes, you can name tginhs
* iximeow 🔪 iximeow
<bofh> oh fuck, must CP1251 haunt me everywhere I go, like some sort of кракозябры-спектр or some shit?
<UmbralRaptor> Crochet spectrum?
<bofh> http://data.cyclowiki.org/images/thumb/f/fa/Letter_to_Russia_with_krokozyabry.jpg/754px-Letter_to_Russia_with_krokozyabry.jpg кракозябры is a term for charset fuckupery in internet slang, at least (not sure how genetal it is)
<iximeow> lol
<UmbralRaptor> wow
<whitequark> it's pretty common
<whitequark> bofh: but "spectre" doesn't translate to "спектр", that's a "false translator's friend"
<whitequark> it's "призрак"
<bofh> whitequark: yeah, that was a dumb goof on my part, thanks
* bofh hides
<rqou> offtopic: lyapunov stability is really cool
<rqou> thanks crazy russian mathematicians
<bofh> (I really have forgotten so much :/)
<bofh> rqou: agreed, reminds me I need to read thru my dynamical systems notes again too
<rqou> unfortunately it still feels a little bit unsatisfying at times because of all the "and then this condition also needs to hold" bits
<rqou> especially for time-varying systems
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<UmbralRaptor> thread, etc on a recent Nature paper https://twitter.com/UCBProf/status/969071237405097985
<kmath> <UCBProf> Enough people are asking that I thought I'd explain in one thread my take on the recent EDGES paper on a possible d… https://t.co/HS00jMYGp6
<UmbralRaptor> The pronoun seems ambiguous here https://legogradstudent.tumblr.com/post/171384699946
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<awang> bofh: Ahhhhhh encoding errors
<awang> (in quantum_physics_.txt)
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<bofh> awang: yea I know, I'll fix them, sec.
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<egg|work|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a Radon ignited headcannon
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<awang> !wpn Fiora
* Qboid gives Fiora an arctic coastal formalism
<awang> !wpn egg|work|egg
* Qboid gives egg|work|egg a FORTRAN espresso-like otter
<awang> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an ordered mount
<bofh> ...of *course* the otter is implemented in Fortran, of course.
<awang> Alright, so it seems it's the greedy register allocation that's inserting the redundant load/store
<awang> If I'm reading the MIR file right
<whitequark> !wpn egg
* Qboid gives egg a bipolar junction pearl
<kmath> <patcable> OH: “Give a person a computer, frustrate them for a day. Teach a person to computer, frustrate them for life”
<e_14159> UmbralRaptor: It would be funny if it weren't true.
<UmbralRaptor> It's very much a lolsob comment.
* e_14159 sobs :D
<bofh> !kountdowm
<bofh> !kountdowb
<bofh> !kountdown
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<bofh> !kountdown 0
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<bofh> !kountdown 1
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid ID!
<bofh> wat.
<bofh> there's a GOES-S launch (Atlas V) from Cape Canaveral in 5.5 hours *today*.
<awang> "I Built a Stable Planetary System with 416 Planets in the Habitable Zone"
<egg|work|egg> bofh: what did you want from kountdown
<egg|work|egg> !kd next
<Qboid> egg|work|egg: Sequence contains no elements
<egg|work|egg> bofh: it hasn't been populated in a while
<egg|work|egg> because it's manually populated, I'm the only one who populates it, and I have been busy
<bofh> egg|work|egg: ahh. sorry.
<bofh> egg|work|egg: https://blogs.nasa.gov/goes/ if you have a second
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<kmath> <QuantPhComments> We will show in this paper that the introduction of many Claires, as intermediaries, can be useful.
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<UmbralRaptop> O_o
* UmbralRaptop 🔪 equifax
<bofh> nah, hysterical laughter is the correct response. it's only another 2.4 million, and at this point I *expect* security failures from Equifucks.
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<UmbralRaptop> Depending on dress and lighting, I can manage "golem", "generic engineer (probably mechanical, civil, or electrical)", or "alt-right" =\ https://twitter.com/aerincreer/status/968954789399691264
<kmath> <aerincreer> Boys please learn how to take selfies so I stop embarrassing myself when I show my friends your pictures. Now I got… https://t.co/j5gyLnmqbd
<bofh> https://twitter.com/xabean/status/969295892028239879 I'm not sure I agree that this is a bad thing.
<kmath> <xabean> Uh. Guys? Intel is trying to put a snake in your UEFI. ⏎ ⏎ "Session 5 Intel : Implementing Micro Python in UEFI"… https://t.co/9YbpKAqFIT
<bofh> UmbralRaptop: I usually manage "stereotypical mad scientist" somehow, probably due to hilariously unkempt hair.
<APlayer> Wait, is that a stereotype?
<UmbralRaptop> APlayer: watch Back to the Future for a good example
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: is there a distinct mad mathematician look? or mad numericist?
<egg|zzz|egg> binary128 everywhere! *thunder*
<APlayer> It's fun, because there are perhaps three students at our school in our year that could qualify as mad scientists, and all three have unkempt hair
<awang> @wpn -add:adj curiously recurring
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<awang> !wpn -add:adj curiously recurring
<Qboid> awang: Adjective added!
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh a bovine quadruple Brand New Photoneutronic Engine
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn UmbralRaptop
* Qboid gives UmbralRaptop a yttrium endomorphism
<UmbralRaptop> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg an optically thick acid-sensing snakehead
<bofh> just what I always wanted :P
<SnoopJeDi> acid-sensing sounds like a really good D&D power
<SnoopJeDi> pull up in the cart like "get in loser we're going green dragon hunting"
<UmbralRaptop> :D
<SnoopJeDi> tangentially, my DM is way too generous with us, we've gotten away with THREE dragon kills in our campaign
<UmbralRaptop> Also, alerts you to slimes and gelatinous cubes?
<SnoopJeDi> ooh yea good point
<awang> So
<awang> I can either go with dimensionless units that don't really provide much in the way of type safety
<awang> Or I can measure pixel distances in terms of moles
<awang> What should I pick?
<awang> Or C) Write my own units library
<awang> I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to be measuring numbers of pixels in moles
<awang> But pixels aren't really a length, since they can't be converted to/from other lengths without a scale factor
<SnoopJeDi> right, they're dimensionless by design
<SnoopJeDi> Is type safety a huge-huge priority?
<awang> 1200 x 900 moles of pixels doesn't make sense
<awang> No, not a huge-huge priority
<SnoopJeDi> I would probably just stick to (A) then
<awang> I'm more curious as to how this could be accomplished
<awang> Hmmm
<awang> Alright, let's see what happens
<SnoopJeDi> um, assuming lexicographic ordering for the un-labeled approahces
<SnoopJeDi> the approaches, too
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<egg|phone|egg> Meow?
<SnoopJeDi> so I got a "please forward to any interested colleagues" email from my collaborator about a computational accelerator job with them...not sure if being directly solicited or not 🤔
<egg|zzz|egg> awang: what library are you using
<egg|zzz|egg> huh principia has 10 001 commits
<SnoopJeDi> palindromipia
<kmath> <NuclearAnthro> 😻 проект плуто LIVES!😻 ⏎ ⏎ I mean, this is awful that we’re going this route but Project Pluto is a barrel of apocalyp… https://t.co/1mjT7CoyyL
<SnoopJeDi> I'm shocked the submarinenuke is real
<SnoopJeDi> well, surprised. shocked is too strong a word for post 2016-2017
<UmbralRaptop> This is a weapon that Charles Stross used in multiple stories because it's got way more capability than you need/really can use in the real world.
<UmbralRaptop> Project Pluto was predicted to have what >100,000 km range?
<SnoopJeDi> John Walker gives it as "global range and the ability to stay airborne for months"
<SnoopJeDi> but something about an autonomous sea platform freaks me out a bit more: at least we ostensibly know how to track airborne things
<SnoopJeDi> track and/or lie about being able to deal with
<SnoopJeDi> best answer to any oceanic platform is an exasperated shrug and mutual assurance
<SnoopJeDi> ...hence Trident lol
<SnoopJeDi> and whatever the Russian/Chinese equivalents are
<SnoopJeDi> but who knows, maybe the Great Nuclear Dickwaving Pendulum has begun to swing once more to airpower?
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: you can add stuff to kountdown too
<egg|zzz|egg> (or if you can't you should nag Thomas about it)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: but why is rootn not consistent with sqrt for -0 https://twitter.com/stephentyrone/status/969314866254270473
<kmath> <stephentyrone> @volatile_void `powr`, `pown` and `rootn` are what IEEE 754 actually wants. Including `pow` was a case of someone t… https://t.co/W6PLzAhtxh
<kmath> <stephentyrone> @FioraAeterna @johnregehr @Gankro @pcwalton Thanks, LTO. ThTO.
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: I still don't have a good answer for that, honestly. I think the behaviour of sqrt is just odd.
<egg|zzz|egg> you could try asking the cat again
<bofh> !kd -add Atlas 5 • An Atlas V-541 rocket will launch the GOES-S next-generation geostationary weather satellite for NOAA/NASA.|2018-03-01T22:02Z
<Qboid> bofh: Invalid syntax. The correct syntax would be name|description|time.
<bofh> !kd -add Atlas 5 • GOES-S|An Atlas V-541 rocket will launch the GOES-S next-generation geostationary weather satellite for NOAA/NASA.|2018-03-01T22:02Z
<Qboid> bofh: Added event #25
<egg|zzz|egg> !kd next
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: ID: 25 | Name: Atlas 5 • GOES-S | Time: 2018-03-01 22:02:00 | Unixtime: 1519941720 | Left: 0d 0h 40m 13s
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: Description: An Atlas V-541 rocket will launch the GOES-S next-generation geostationary weather satellite for NOAA/NASA.
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<awang> Seems to be at least somewhat more user-friendly than Boost.Units
<UmbralRaptop> import astropy.units as u
<awang> Of course Python has something
<egg|zzz|egg> awang: principia!
<egg|zzz|egg> has RP2Point too
<Qboid> 0d 0h 30m 0s left to event #25: Atlas 5 • GOES-S [at 2018-03-01 22:02:00]. Say '!kountdown 25' for details
<egg|zzz|egg> who needs pixels when you can work in ℝP²
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: LOL
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: ?
<bofh> "who needs pixels when you can work in ℝP²"
<bofh> I mean it's true, but still amusing.
* bofh steals
<egg|zzz|egg> (operator== and operator!= use an FMA for eggsact multiplication so they are correct)
<egg|zzz|egg> (it's a soft FMA, we target SSE2 (maybe 3) so it's slooooooow)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: yaknow instead of stealing bits and pieces you can clone the entire repo :-p
<bofh> I mean I also have a clone of the whole repo for, like, building Principia proper for when I have a bunch of CPU-days to burn.
<bofh> (should update that)
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: it's not *that* slow (I mean yes it depends which timescale you use to count the CPU-days, but I would assume CPU-proper-days)
<e_14159> Speaking of burning computation power, did you see https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.10337.pdf ?
<e_14159> "As a note on the scale of the setup, the computational budget to reproduce those experiments is approximately 60K P100 GPU hours"
<SnoopJeDi> I turned over intentionally-wasteful proof-of-work re: cryptocurrency with my gf last night...I still can't quite get my head right over it
<kmath> <KatieVEBrown> Cat catching snowballs. https://t.co/Ez07Q2Dog0
<SnoopJeDi> e_14159, "Our experimental results suggest that future GAN research should be based on more systematic and objective evaluation procedures" LOL GOOD LUCK
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: so what are the restrictions on aliasing in FORTRAN? is it just that arguments can't alias, or are there other things that can't alias
<e_14159> SnoopJeDi: I especially like the uncertainties in Figure 4 and 5.
<e_14159> Also, s/GAN/machine learning
<SnoopJeDi> agreed
<SnoopJeDi> although you could reasonably s/GAN// and the joke still works
<SnoopJeDi> Figure 4 makes me think the authors would do well in astronomy
<bofh> SnoopJeDi: https://twitter.com/catherineols/status/968986275586846720 unless this is the exact paper you're talking about
<kmath> <catherineols> An interesting punchline: claimed improvements in previous work were due to implementation mistakes. So, the improv… https://t.co/u5a5I86SjP
<e_14159> Reminds me of a master's thesis I supervised on GAIL. If reinforcement learning is difficult to train and GANs are difficult to train, then generative adversarial imitation learning has to be hell.
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<SnoopJeDi> bofh, lmao
<e_14159> bofh: Oh, I hadn't seen that paper yet. Bookmarked!
<awang> egg|zzz|egg: RP2Point?
<awang> I may or may not have caught template feaver
<awang> Too many templates :(
<awang> Too generic
<awang> Pretty sure I'm doing this horribly wrong, too
<awang> Template parameters exposing implementation details, eww
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<egg|zzz|egg> awang: A point on the projective plane
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<awang> egg|zzz|egg: I see
<awang> Also, what's your stance on traits?
<awang> Good/bad/maybe both?
<egg|zzz|egg> what do you mean
<awang> Uh
<awang> So I have this class
<awang> Which may be backed by some other geometry library
<awang> And I'm trying to figure out how to get the rest of the code to not care what library is used
<awang> So I have free functions for what would normally be member functions and dispatch to the traits class for that type, which has the appropriate implementation
<awang> Wait
<awang> Is this CRTP?
<awang> Dangit
<awang> Is it normal to have bits and pieces of implementation details as template parameters?
<awang> It feels dirty
<bofh> Currently have one window open to the Centaur stage launch and another open to DSN Now!
<bofh> https://twitter.com/jamesaydelott/status/969335340530941952 oh wow this is incredibly cool :d
<kmath> <✔jamesaydelott> You'll love this. ⏎ GOES-East weather satellite caught the rocket exhaust plume from the launch of its sister weath… https://t.co/SuR2ndVni0
<bofh> :D *
<SnoopJeDi> 💙💙💙
<SnoopJeDi> oh man, Tabetha Boyajian (of Tabby's star fame) is giving a seminar here on Monday!
<bofh> Nice!
<SnoopJeDi> oh my god, I just realized why I am having so much trouble building this software on a fresh VM, when it worked on the old one
<SnoopJeDi> their binary release includes copies of like *EVERYTHING* in the dependency tree, all the way down to the particular MPI compilers used to build it blah blah
<SnoopJeDi> and I think my old rc was including some of that in its path, making the hyperspecific versions (or whatever strange magick I'm missing atm) available for a fresh buidl
<SnoopJeDi> angery.jpg
<bofh> scientific_computer_programming.jpg
<bofh> I can't even pretend to be surprised. :/
<egg|zzz|egg> meow
<SnoopJeDi> It's not a *completely* insane way to distribute for HPC I guess, but I'm just so salty to have discovered the "huh I can't build from source anymore despite meeting all the deps they list" and that it's such an inane reason
<bofh> Heh.
<bofh> I'm not sure if I agree that it's not completely insane. *Common*? Sure, I've done it before even. But I still think it's completely insane.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn bofh
* Qboid gives bofh an Apollonian Qboid
<bofh> Damnit, I wanted a Dionysian Qboid. :P
<SnoopJeDi> I'm trying to be generous to science bofh, it's a character flaw :P
<bofh> touché
<bofh> :P
<SnoopJeDi> I don't, for example, think it's bad per se to have /share/apps/very_specific_package and source an env from there
<bofh> Okay, I'll agree there.
<SnoopJeDi> that said, you should um *probably* try to limit the specificity of the env you build for that deployment
<SnoopJeDi> shipping ALL OF OPENMPI and sourcing them into the user's $PATH, probably wrecking their compilers and libraries, is maybe not quite the best
<SnoopJeDi> (although I'm pretty sure what broke was libhdf5...somehow? that's where my build from src seems to fail)
<whitequark> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a Giger operator/list hybrid
<SnoopJeDi> doesn't super help that there are 57 varieties of libhdf5
<SnoopJeDi> (and the devs don't specify which they depend on)
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn whitequark
* Qboid gives whitequark a hafnium reflector
<egg|zzz|egg> whitequark: any котяnews?
* bofh waits (im)patiently for AOS of GOES-17
<egg|zzz|egg> Извескотя
<whitequark> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a constexpr graph
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<bofh> AOS of G-17 S-band downlink on DSS34/DSS36 just now, looks like things are going according to plan. :)
<bofh> I swear I treat orbital insertion as a spectator sport or somesuch.
<SnoopJeDi> Watching you geek out on the links is like a meta-sport for me
<SnoopJeDi> and all your DSN-kin
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<whitequark> egg|zzz|egg: kittens