raptop changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
<egg|cell|egg> Bofh which result from Dekker did we look at last time
<egg|cell|egg> Ah remark 2 of 4.10
<bofh> yep
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<UmbralRaptop> … is that ANBOcat or bofh in egg's latest pic?
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<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: yes
<bofh> ^
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: whitequark: I like how Чебышёв ιs underlined here https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1080255849724039168
<kmath> <whitequark> @iMozziconi i am not about to do this manually for a few hundred files
<bofh> "Chebychev"?
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: cat is conveniently sleeping within arm's reach for once, instead of at the foot of the bed
<egg|zzz|egg> *pet*
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: well yes it should be spelled Czebyszow
<egg|zzz|egg> or Trê-bư-sép
<bofh> rofl
<UmbralRaptop> Trebuchet
<bofh> yeah that's what I keep misparsing it as, lol.
<egg|zzz|egg> lol
<egg|zzz|egg> cannot unsee
<SnoopJeDi> Trebuchet: the fit of last resort where you chuck your data towards the nearest fortification
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: UmbralRaptop: it's [tʂe ɓɨ ʂɛp] (south) or [ʨe ɓɨ sɛp] (north), not too far from the original [tɕɪ bɨ ʂof]
<egg|zzz|egg> (final [f] is not a thing, hence the [p])
<egg|zzz|egg> cc rqou phonology and cursed transliterations
<bofh> I mean you went over this with me IRL and it makes sense
<bofh> I just really want to keep reading it as Trebuchet
<bofh> :P
<egg|zzz|egg> cat has left the bed
<egg|zzz|egg> possibly getting a drink
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<kmath> <johnnypgreco> Here are some example images of red and blue diffuse dwarfs from the #HyperSuprimeCam Survey. #AstroBowl #RoseBowl… https://t.co/f1kN5HzU8D
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* UmbralRaptop pokes things.
* UmbralRaptop wonders if Mendeleev's 1869 article is actually closed access?
<bofh> good question
<bofh> it might be, heh.
<SnoopJeDi> locked away in a periodical?
<UmbralRaptop> Could just be that the source that I found is making downloading a PDF hard to "improve my experience" or something.
<UmbralRaptop> Anyway, it's apparently just 2 pages (or one page if it had been formatted differently?)
<UmbralRaptop> Also it's in German. o_O
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: why o_O, would you prefer it to be in french,
<UmbralRaptop> hah
<bofh> I mean I would,
<UmbralRaptop> I was eggspecting Russian, if anything.
<egg|zzz|egg> what's the title
<UmbralRaptop> "Ueber die Beziehungen der Eigenschaften zu den Atomgewichten der Elemente." Published in Zeitschrift für Chemie. v.12 (1869)
<UmbralRaptop> Anyway, I have the article. It's basically just the table and some footnotes.
<egg|zzz|egg> hm, cat is inconveniently in the middle of the bed
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: pdf?
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3481652;view=1up;seq=413 made me download each page separately o_O
<egg|zzz|egg> there's a link that says "download the whole book"
<egg|anbo|egg> "Mendelejeff"
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: That link is a trap. Or rather, requires institutional access.
<egg|anbo|egg> huh
<UmbralRaptop> egg|anbo|egg: Чебышёв problem
<UmbralRaptop> "Download this page" works fine, though.
<egg|anbo|egg> blarg
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptop: hmm maybe it's in google books https://www.hathitrust.org/help_digital_library#Download
<UmbralRaptop> Google Scholar didn't have a direct link ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<UmbralRaptop> Yay, I think
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptop: looked up a random subsequence of words from the text to find it :-p
<egg|anbo|egg> ;g "werden die dampfe von wasserfreien Schwefelsaure in grossem"
<UmbralRaptop> hah
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<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: i am reminded of the madman pull request https://twitter.com/whitequark/status/1080269140433227778
<kmath> <whitequark> I'm occasionally helping with review and triage for open-source projects that aren't mine and I think the single th… https://t.co/bhVXIEMLEP
<UmbralRaptop> Hah =S
<egg|zzz|egg> yay i haz a RGT test
<UmbralRaptop> Bleh, blew my monthly bandwidth cap.
* egg|zzz|egg pets UmbralRaptop
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: wait
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: for January???!
<UmbralRaptop> Hah
<UmbralRaptop> No, it's actually a 30 day thing, so I've got like a week until the reset.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: bofh: also, um, the TRAPPIST-1 optimization cost us 287 CHF of azure compute time (it would have cost less if we hadn't done a handful of bad runs to debug, but 64-core machines aren't cheap)
<UmbralRaptop> Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg|zzz|egg> I don't eggspect to run any computationally intensive tasks in a while so it's a better tradeoff that buying a couple of fancy xeons for the ANBO computation centre though,
<egg|zzz|egg> if we start producing our own solar system ephemerides because we get tired of the BS of JPL HORIZONS, otoh,
<egg|zzz|egg> ;choose poke at orbit A or B from Russel & Lara|sleep
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: poke at orbit A or B from Russel & Lara
<egg|zzz|egg> stabbity choose poke at orbit A or B from Russel & Lara|sleep
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: orbit A
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: also cat is in the middle of the bed, how do i around cat
<SnoopJeDi> SyntaxError: inconsistent usage of 'or' and |
<UmbralRaptop> SnoopJeDi: the bot chose "or"
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: displace cat along the a-axis, and enjoy a second laptop?
<SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptop, oh I'm just a fan of bots that correct humans
<UmbralRaptop> ah
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: tried to under cat, but cat meowed in discontent and left, possibly to have a drink
<egg|zzz|egg> might come back after drink though
<egg|zzz|egg> (the cat drinks in the sink)
<SnoopJeDi> I'm also coming to enjoy Python's philosophy on exceptions
<UmbralRaptop> Does the cat turn the faucet on/off?
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: nah, it just has a full sink
<UmbralRaptop> 🐈🐈🔭
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: no, you can have eggsamples, of the bourbachic kind, https://twitter.com/Newpa_Hasai/status/1080297798229209088
<kmath> <Newpa_Hasai> @whitequark Consensus among CS people seems to be that documentation is for n00bs, or bad UI/UX, or something. I th… https://t.co/LA4QGPvBAr
<egg|zzz|egg> I like how https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/header/memory_resource has null_memory_resource
<UmbralRaptop> egg|zzz|egg: are bourbachic eggsamples like grothendieck primes?
<egg|zzz|egg> this feels eggstremely set theory eggsample "the null memory resource is a memory resource; for any memory resource r, monotonic_buffer_resource(&r) is a memory resource; for any memory resource r, unsynchronized_pool_resource(&r) is a memory resource"
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: no, like example: the empty set is a set; given two sets, their union is a set; given a set S, the singleton {S} is a set,
<UmbralRaptop> Aside from the first one, those don't seem too terrible. Provided I'm trying to work out if things are sets.
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptop: I mean, in a sense you construct everything from just that, but those aren't very concrete eggsamples of sets (e.g. you could say "the set of prime numbers", "the set of points on the unit sphere", etc.)
<UmbralRaptop> ah
<UmbralRaptop> "It is more elegant to use complex notation…"
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<egg|zzz|egg> tx?
<UmbralRaptor> I may be somewhat annoyed by someone in another channel.
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<egg|zzz|egg> which?
* egg|zzz|egg gives NomalRaptor some aqua regia
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<egg|zzz|egg> Царская водка
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<egg|zzz|egg> 🜆 🜇
<UmbralRaptor> … oh
<UmbralRaptor> It took entirely too long to figure out the Russian.
<egg|zzz|egg> also speaking of alchemical symbols, afaict 🜨 is the character to use for Earth
<egg|zzz|egg> since ♁ is not the one commonly used for astronomy
<egg|zzz|egg> and it clearly isn't a circled +
<UmbralRaptor> ;u♁🜨
<egg|zzz|egg> earth, alchemical symbol for verdigris
<UmbralRaptor> IIRC, ♁ is on the BMP, but 🜨 is with the emoji?
<egg|zzz|egg> it's in the SMP, but its block doesn't contain any emoji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemical_Symbols_(Unicode_block)
<egg|zzz|egg> it is however necessary for playing opus magnum,
<UmbralRaptor> heh
<egg|zzz|egg> mrow
* UmbralRaptor pets egg|zzz|egg and any nearby cats
<egg|zzz|egg> wait why am i not zzz
<SnoopJeDi> the boundary conditions of the universe
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: the cat purrs
<UmbralRaptor> The sets of IRC users and people good at sleep are disjoint.
<egg|zzz|egg> meow
* egg|zzz|egg tries zzz
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<kmath> <matthew_d_green> @pinkhairedcyn @stevecheckoway Our dog drank the Aperol.
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<kmath> <NewHorizonsIMG> Rotation of Ultima Thule ⏎ #NewHorizons #UltimaFlyby https://t.co/xCu9tpekvZ
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<kmath> https://twitter.com/fibromodulin/status/1080530482943741952 <fibromodulin> important part of the post-ccc recovery kit ⏎ not pictured: pettable cats pro re nata https://t.co/LT5itZBp36
<bofh> I like how the counter clerk at the Picard was, like, "ce soirée glacé?" after, like, scanning the fifth
<bofh> yes, yes it very much is.
<SnoopJeDi> lol
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<SnoopJeDi> bofh, do you know what M69's redness tells us, if anything? First thought is Mars-alike composition, but I know so little about planetary systems that I have no idea if that's even a sensible analogue
<UmbralRaptor> SnoopJeDi: I know a tiny bit -- the source is rather different. (some sort of ice)
<UmbralRaptor> Uh, redness suggests similarity with Triton and Pluto (!)
<SnoopJeDi> oh right
<SnoopJeDi> ...do we know why Pluto is red?
<SnoopJeDi> well, brown
<UmbralRaptor> weird organic ices, I think. Not sure beyond that.
<UmbralRaptor> But, like, the KBOs in more disturbed orbits are usually grayer?
<SnoopJeDi> interesting
<SnoopJeDi> https://www.nasa.gov/nh/pluto-the-other-red-planet looks like a good summary, and looks like "tholins" are the leading horse
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<kmath> <DMofGradSchool> You realize a gigantic flaw in your research approach in the middle of a committee meeting. Roll for initiative.
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: literally happened to me twice in the past.
<bofh> it's kind of painful
<egg|zzz|egg> bofh: what did you roll
<SnoopJeDi> hmm
<SnoopJeDi> ;roll 1d20
<SnoopJeDi> didn't think so
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: very well in one case, crappily (and embarrassed the hell out of myself) in the other.
<egg|zzz|egg> ;help
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: Supported commands are: help c rpn 8ball choose wa wolfram tell seen
<egg|zzz|egg> tfw no roll
<bofh> ooh, there is clear nail polish topcoat here now
* egg|zzz|egg misread that as TOPCAT
<SnoopJeDi> I'm spoiled, I'm used to sopel's !roll, which supports abitrary arithmetic combinations/dice like `(1d100)**2 + 1d2`
<SnoopJeDi> (hooray for the ast module!)
<UmbralRaptor> egg: same
<egg|zzz|egg> meow
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: there are also cats here
* bofh pets
* UmbralRaptor meows at the cats in close proximity to bofh
<UmbralRaptor> Hypothetically, how do wrote know that 2014 MU69 isn't just a gigantic duck?
<SnoopJeDi> in space, no-one can hear you quack
<egg|zzz|egg> same for 67P,
<UmbralRaptor> Yes, but far larger
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<kmath> <✔mikamckinnon> Assume 2 spherical cows in a low-velocity inelastic collision with the tiniest bit of kinetic energy lost to deform… https://t.co/n18sFn0Tg5
* UmbralRaptor 🔪 📱
<UmbralRaptor> s/wrote/we/
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: but does this mean I should observe 2014 MU69 from ANBO,
<bofh> egg|zzz|egg: you can try,
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: You can search for other anatids and contact binary cows.
<kmath> <SpaceJosh> When China's Chang'e 4 mission lands on the Moon soon you're going to read a lot of mistaken info about where it la… https://t.co/13HQQxfPnf
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: I mean this is always the case; a lot of the difficulty with CN missions to places is that xinhua basically restricts what is being told to others until well after the event happens sucessfully (or scrubbing everything entirely if it was a failure)
<UmbralRaptor> Fun, just like the soviets
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<bofh> UmbralRaptor: I mean it's the same isoform of communism
<UmbralRaptor> Yeah.
<UmbralRaptor> Any idea good/bad they've been with data releases?
<bofh> Uh, not great?
<bofh> I have contacts thru a friend of a friend at Jiaotong that can get me some restricted-ish datasets that would, in the NASA or ESA world, just be on fucking public FTP.
<bofh> it's not a heavy restriction, just enough to be annoying.
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<egg|anbo|egg> bofh: yes though here it's specifically the naming of the basin that confuses things, more than CN herself
<UmbralRaptor> hm
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: clearly we should resolve that by turning the basin into a primary mirror
<UmbralRaptor> egg|anbo|egg: it's only the largest confirmed impact basin.
<egg|anbo|egg> yes
<egg|anbo|egg> UmbralRaptor: i think it's not the first time that we discuss turning it into a telescope here
<UmbralRaptor> I think Iskierka was involved?
<UmbralRaptor> Also we concluded that Pluto was safe to look at, but a bunch of stars were not?
<bofh> UmbralRaptor: hrm, good idée
<egg|zzz|egg> UmbralRaptor: yes, but i can't find the logs
<egg|zzz|egg> we should dig that up and put it in the topicquotes
<kmath> <ridingrobots> A warning, kids: just look at this before-and-after. ⏎ ⏎ Trips to the inner solar system--not even once. https://t.co/xtTr6aQPLY
<UmbralRaptor> ;c 2500e3^2*pi/4
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: 4.90874e+12
<UmbralRaptor> ;c 5778^4*5.67e-8
<kmath> UmbralRaptor: 63196526.54602919520039
<egg|zzz|egg> !choose zzz|pretty plots|conditionally limit geopotential degree to 30
<egg|zzz|egg> ;choose zzz|pretty plots|conditionally limit geopotential degree to 30
<kmath> egg|zzz|egg: conditionally limit geopotential degree to 30
<egg|zzz|egg> stabbity choose zzz|pretty plots|conditionally limit geopotential degree to 30
* egg|zzz|egg should probably zzz considering travel tomorrow
* egg|zzz|egg zzz
<egg|zzz|egg> ;pet bofh, UmbralRaptor, whitequark, et al.
<UmbralRaptor> egg|zzz|egg: I choose pretty plots
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