raptop changed the topic of #kspacademia to: https://gist.github.com/pdn4kd/164b9b85435d87afbec0c3a7e69d3e6d | Dogs are cats. Spiders are cat interferometers. | Космизм сегодня! | Document well, for tomorrow you may get mauled by a ネコバス. | <UmbralRaptor> egg|nomz|egg: generally if your eyes are dewing over, that's not the weather. | <ferram4> I shall beat my problems to death with an engineer. | We can haz pdf
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[Principia] kbios commented on issue #2071: KSP crashed while paused, now savefile won't load - https://git.io/fhDtz
<UmbralRaptop>
back to Zürich, are the *1 through *4 below Zürich HB part of the same or different stations?
<egg>
gah that pdf wants to download itself instead of displaying in the browser
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: that's regional transit, not city transit
<UmbralRaptop>
hrm
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: what are you trying to do
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: and *1 through *4 are in the same train station (the main station), but in separate batches of quays
<egg>
s/quay/platform/ probably
<egg>
e.g. *4 is underground, and is where you take the train to see the planetenweg with bofh
<egg>
or in the other direction, to Adliswil to pick up my lost phone
<egg>
*1 is the main batch, where you have e.g. the train to france
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: but more importantly, what are you trying to do here
<UmbralRaptop>
quay is usually for boats in en-US >_>
<egg>
yeah, that's poorly translated french
<bofh>
it just means platform in FR
<egg>
we have quai for both
<bofh>
but yea
<UmbralRaptop>
egg: train to grindelwald
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: from the airport or from staying in zurich
<bofh>
poll: so people I know here IRL are finding it weird and a bit surprising that I know how to hotwire a large carousel pretty much of the top of my head, and also that doing such at 3AM is weird. I think it's a perfectly natural thing to do (and have done). Thoughts?
<bofh>
like you just apply +48V to the right relay after opening a triangle lock on the back of the transformer cabinet and it spins.
<egg>
bofh: thoughts: you should be cleaning up your calendar, and also rootn
<bofh>
egg: I am actually trying to figure out why the events I cleared aren't clearing right now.
<bofh>
Like I deleted all the recurring events thrice today and they just come back :???:
<egg>
you are cursed
<egg>
do you have some other computer logged in that might be doing confusing things via some stupid API
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: from: Zürich Flughafen, to: Grindelwald (Firstbahn)
<bofh>
Oh, it might be open on my other laptop in one of the, uh, I think around 300 chrome tabs?
<egg>
bofh: killall -9 chrome
<UmbralRaptop>
egg: from the airport. Looking at airport → grindelwald for the conference on the 17, and then returning (to TBD hotel/hostel/foo) on the 22. Flight out is the 24th
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: or just Grindelwald, Firstbahn is literally across the street from the hotel but it's not far from the train station so why bother with 2 min of bus
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: but if you feel tired, bus is an option, and you want to alight at Firstbahn
<bofh>
egg: okay, it seems to be staying off.
<egg>
bofh: yay
<egg>
bofh: saint-sulpice still there, but now i can actually use my noncorp calendar
<bofh>
I did killall -19 chrome, but same idée.
* egg
cannot into signal numbers
<bofh>
SIGSTOP
<egg>
is 69 SIGNICE
<UmbralRaptop>
killall -666 *.d
<bofh>
...wait, do my calendar events overlay onto your calendar? Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg>
bofh: you shared your calendar with me, so I see that
<bofh>
also whoops, missed the weekend, let me can that too.
<egg>
bofh: anyway pretty sure the Louvre stuff is also not accurate
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: so yeah use the SBB website
<egg>
UmbralRaptop: also no need to book the train back to zurich too early, we can plan that when we're both in the same country
<egg>
e.g. maybe I can go to grindelwald and we can come back together or something
<UmbralRaptop>
ah
<bofh>
egg: yeah I just nuked it
<bofh>
egg: I mean it will be accurate again in a few months, but that's in a few months,
<UmbralRaptop>
Conference ends at 2019-03-21T1700, so not sure about hotel options after that night.
<egg>
bofh: i get it you vape^W like paris
<bofh>
egg: *exhales*
<bofh>
:P
<UmbralRaptop>
Vaping luciferin
<bofh>
(amusingly I've never tried a vape, or a cigarette, or weedpot in any delivery mechanism)
<bofh>
(I *have* tried nicotine, which is unpleasant since I basically compulsively chain 2mg lozenges until I get mildly nauseous)
<bofh>
UmbralRaptop: now I'm actually really curious what the vaporization point of firefly luciferin is, esp. relative to its pyrolysis temperature.
<bofh>
since I'm pretty sure it is, at least in theory, vape-able.
<egg>
bofh: good, now you cleared your calendar, rootn
<bofh>
egg: yes mme.
<egg>
bofh: also, typesetting question
<egg>
bofh: if an angle is expressed in degrees and written in scientific notation, where do you put the degree sign
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<bofh>
uhh.
<bofh>
I actually have no clue?
<egg>
tbh this seems fairly nicche
<bofh>
(You're the one with the style guides, and I'll admit I've never considered that before. Presumably after the eggsponent factor, at the end?)
<egg>
s/cc/c/
<egg>
bofh: after the exponent seems bad, you'll have digits in exponent followed by a degree sign
<egg>
are you trying to multiply the eggsponent by 10
<bofh>
oh neat they got Comic Sans working with XeteX?
<bofh>
that was a nightmare when I did that back in 2010 with pdflatex
<egg>
bofh: not sure this is XeTeX
<egg>
not sure what this site does
<egg>
bofh: shouldn't be hard to get your favourite font working with XeTex
<bofh>
had to convert the fucking thing into Adobe Type1 via FontForge, then by hand into something metafont coud take
<bofh>
XeTeX is a damn luxury in comparison
<egg>
bofh: then again if I regenerate the principia docs the italics don't show up on github and if phl does it works so
<bofh>
it just takes TTFs! natively!
<egg>
and opentype
<egg>
and you can have lowercase numbers and the fanciest ligatures
<bofh>
I mean that's just TTF with fancy tables.
<bofh>
(or CFF with fancy tables).
<bofh>
lowercase numbers are... okay, they're bad, it's *proportional* numbers that are Satan Incarnate.
<egg>
bofh: they're perfectly fine in prose
<egg>
if it's for dates or whatever it's good
<egg>
obviously don't state measurement results that way, but that's what uppercase tabular numbers are for
<egg>
bofh: also, fancy ligatures <3
<bofh>
I'm of the opinion that tabular numbers are the only kind that should eggsist. upper and lowercase are fine.
<bofh>
and yes, fancy ligatures are great.
<egg>
bofh: well, proportional numbers serve the same porpoise as fancy ligatures and whatnot
<egg>
not everything is a table with a shittonne of numbers, and if I have a single date in the middle of the page I shouldn't stab the typographical grey there
<bofh>
I still maintain you should, b/c that makes the date a lot easier to read since it both lines up *and* stands out of the surrounding text.
<egg>
but why the hell should the date stand out of the surrounding text
<egg>
Sure, you can say that the Florian opened in [[1729]] but not every number needs emphasis
<egg>
also it's 1720, not 1720
<bofh>
so I was going to say "to make it actually readable" but I think that I'm starting to get into personal legibility quirks so I'll shut up now.
<bofh>
1729 is the Ramanujan-Hardy number :p
<egg>
yes, it's 1720
<egg>
bofh: also you should stop reading so much typewriter-written crap it is doing bad things to your sense of good taste in typesetting
<bofh>
also ugh bloody hell the tinnitus in my right ear got a lot worse today for w/e reason, not sure if blaming air pressure changes or listening to music a bit too loudly or both.
<B787_300>
UmbralRaptor: there was a signaling issues on the Blue/Yellow lines that had trains delayed which left me and a coworker waiting at a station for like 20 mins
<UmbralRaptor>
ow
<B787_300>
and yes the consistient themes of the coffered stations is nice
<bofh>
also I thought NYC was the best metro system in North America?
<UmbralRaptor>
hahahahah
<UmbralRaptor>
NYC's system has a bunch of weirdness with overlapping lines, stations with occasional heat and flooding problems, and apparently a bunch of slowdown lately.
<B787_300>
i mean that could also describe the DC Metro
<B787_300>
maybe less the flooding
<B787_300>
bofh: no matter what i am pretty sure both metros pale in comparison to the tube, the paris metro and the other big European city metros
<UmbralRaptor>
I have somewhat mixed feeling about London's. Like, it works (and importantly is well integrated with other transit), but seems to be at a point with people and temperatures beyond what anyone eggspected.
<B787_300>
sure but that is why they are heavily investing and mdoernizing it
<UmbralRaptor>
Hrm. By bus/subway, DCA may be closer to me than IAD.
* B787_300
looks at NYC's "modernization" proposals
<B787_300>
hey in 2020 when the rest of Silver line opens it might make getting to IAD easier
<bofh>
B787_300: I mean I've taken both the Paris metro and the Shanghai metro
<bofh>
literally anything in North America is shite in comparison to either.
<UmbralRaptor>
Oh, nice. No silliness like going into the district and taking a bus from Rosslyn.
<UmbralRaptor>
Well, maybe.
<B787_300>
yeah... i have taken the tube, Paris, Rome (which was the shittiest of the european ones) and they were all better than the experiences i have had on the DC and Atlanta metros
<B787_300>
oh and some trains in Cinque Terra Italy which operated like a metro
<Ellied>
I used the NYC trains once and it seemed like the underground station had.... no ventilation? at all? like the air smelled like it had been in 30 people's lungs and was like 110°F
<Ellied>
er, 30,000 people's lungs
<Ellied>
also, the longer-distance train we took from NJ had doors that slammed shut very fast with no warning or recourse, and we watched them strand a couple of Chinese girls who had been trying to stay together on opposite sides of the door and the train immediately pull away
<Ellied>
like in Chicago the operator would at least glance back and make sure there's not someone pinched halfway through the doors before they start moving, but NY trains are wack as heck
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<UmbralRaptor>
eek
<UmbralRaptor>
"For some reason it seems the hotel bumped back our check-in date to March 17 (Sunday) as opposed to Saturday. I'll email them about this, but it got me thinking about Patrick's schedule. Patrick, I know you said you plan on flying back late--will you have living arrangements after I check out?"
* UmbralRaptor
ponders. I don't yet.
<bofh>
I am reminded of the sheer number of times I've been asked that question and I've just always lied "yes". :P (I think eggsactly once I bothered to get them; mind you, YMMV and I do not recommend the mofh approach to conferences to anyone else).
<B787_300>
UmbralRaptor: is this for a conference with shared rooms?
<UmbralRaptor>
B787_300: yes, but they're asking about post conference.
<UmbralRaptor>
… can teamech be an MSc project? >_>
<egg|work|egg>
UmbralRaptor: tea mechanics?
<UmbralRaptor>
egg|work|egg: 🍵🤖!
* egg|work|egg
is confused
* egg|work|egg
meows at UmbralRaptor
* UmbralRaptor
scritches egg|work|egg
<UmbralRaptor>
Emoji silliness in part. But, uh, it's a SCADA system that Ellied is working on.
<egg|work|egg>
SCADA?
<egg|work|egg>
tfw no qboid
<egg|work|egg>
Ellied: do you still have lizzie
<egg|work|egg>
(did lizzie have acr? I forget)
<UmbralRaptor>
industrial control system
<Ellied>
very much teamech is a viable academic project
<Ellied>
very much doubt*
<Ellied>
egg|work|egg: Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition
<egg|work|egg>
Ellied: stateasteacal mechanics
<Ellied>
Supervisory Control and Datea Acquisition
<Ellied>
Acquisiteaon?
<egg|work|egg>
not sure what teabot did there
<egg|work|egg>
with kmath gone we only have _whitenotifier-1656 and _whitelogger as bots here
<Ellied>
and the answer to your question is "yes, I still have Lizzie, but Tolvnestine is the only one I would further develop now"
<Ellied>
oh damn, what happened to kmath?
<egg|work|egg>
disconnected a couple of days ago
<egg|work|egg>
Qboid's computer died months ago
<Ellied>
and they say machines are the immortal ones...
<Ellied>
oh, saw your other questions
<Ellied>
Lizzie did not have acr, I believe that was only qboid
<egg|work|egg>
Ellied: norgg wrote a bitrotripbot in #bottorture to commemorate dead bots
<egg|work|egg>
Ellied: it has since succumbed to bitrot
<Ellied>
rip in rip
<egg|work|egg>
bottorture has, uh, 2 bots now...
<Ellied>
I may do an MSc at some point but I think I'm gonna try to do some informal electronics tutoring work first, maybe at a hackerspace
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<SnoopJeDi>
!acr -add:SWAG Survey of Water and Ammonia in Galaxies
<galois>
Definition added!
<SnoopJeDi>
SWAG?
<galois>
SWAG: Survey of Water and Ammonia in Galaxies
<SnoopJeDi>
disclaimer: this is almost certainly horribly broken.
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<SnoopJeDi>
Ellied, I've become interested in hooking up an ultrasonic transducer to an RPi and doing realtime spectrogram readout...if it's alright, I might try to pick your brain about the electronics sometime? Probably the amplifier/filter bits.
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: ooh, new bot!
* egg
pets SnoopJeDi and galois
<egg>
!chanserv flags #kspacademia galois +V
<egg>
um
<SnoopJeDi>
uh it's not registered yet
<SnoopJeDi>
sec
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<egg>
also wow it forgot about Ellied after all that time
<galois>
I apparently never even registered my own nick on this network...o.O
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<egg>
SnoopJeDi: yeah you have SOP because -ChanServ- 19 *!~SnoopJeDi@* +AOfiorstv (SOP) [modified 2 years, 24 weeks, 5 days, 09:31:22 ago]
<egg>
for whitequark it's *.whitequark.org which is why _whitelogger and _whitenotifier-1656 have ops instead of just voice
<egg>
!help
<galois>
egg: I'm sending you a list of my commands in a private message!
<egg>
oh gods so many pings :-p
<SnoopJeDi>
it's uh a mess
<SnoopJeDi>
I pretty much copied the config for an instance running on freenode which is *mostly* for shitposting
<galois>
title: GitHub - StollD/QIRC.Kerbal: Plugins for the QIRC Bot software, that are used in the Kerbal Space Program EsperNet IRC's
<egg>
but this seems to work nicely, it eggspands tweets
* egg
meows at bofh
<egg>
!u a
<galois>
a: U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: oh it even has !u nice!
<egg>
!u U+2BC9
<galois>
Whoa now, that's too many characters, hoss
<egg>
!u 2BC9
<galois>
2: U+0032 DIGIT TWO
<galois>
B: U+0042 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B
<galois>
C: U+0043 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C
<galois>
9: U+0039 DIGIT NINE
<egg>
that is not quite what i meant
<egg>
!u ⯉
<galois>
ValueError: no such name (file "/home/snoopjedi/.sopel/modules/unicode.py", line 12, in unicode_summarize)
<egg>
as expected
<egg>
!u 鿫
<galois>
ValueError: no such name (file "/home/snoopjedi/.sopel/modules/unicode.py", line 12, in unicode_summarize)
<egg>
hmm.
<UmbralRaptor>
!u †‡⹋
<galois>
†: U+2020 DAGGER
<galois>
‡: U+2021 DOUBLE DAGGER
<galois>
ValueError: no such name (file "/home/snoopjedi/.sopel/modules/unicode.py", line 12, in unicode_summarize)
<SnoopJeDi>
...huh, I wonder what that's all about
<egg>
!u 𑨀
<galois>
ValueError: no such name (file "/home/snoopjedi/.sopel/modules/unicode.py", line 12, in unicode_summarize)
<egg>
Ꙩ_ꙩ
<egg>
!u Ꙩ
<galois>
Ꙩ: U+a668 CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER MONOCULAR O
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: it doesn't support Unicode 10 (or 11 or 12)
<SnoopJeDi>
ahhh
<SnoopJeDi>
yea, it uses Python's unicodedata module, which is apparently ≤ 9
<egg>
!u 𐀀
<galois>
𐀀: U+10000 LINEAR B SYLLABLE B008 A
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: since qboid vanished I had been doing [unicodedata.name(c) for c in 'paste'] myself a lot, so it's nice to have it in the channel at least
<egg>
we can see about having the shiniest Unicode later
<SnoopJeDi>
yea I'll wrap it in a try/except for now and maybe later make it fancier so y'all unicode geniuses can muck with it :)
<SnoopJeDi>
perhaps with codepoint lookup the other way
<egg>
yeah codepoint lookup by number would be nice
<egg>
SnoopJeDi: properties would be fun too
<egg>
general category etc.
<egg>
bofh: U+0FC4 TIBETAN SYMBOL DRIL BU
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<SnoopJeDi>
egg, ping me with any wishes and when I am looking to procrasturbate I will try to sneak them in (tbh I should probably write a *feature* for this; !wishlist a fish)
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[Principia] pleroy commented on issue #2071: KSP crashed while paused, now savefile won't load - https://git.io/fhy6I
* egg
stares at encoding "Molnya (MOlIHHSI)" for "Molnya ⟨ Молния ⟩"
<bofh>
what the hell codepage fuckup is that
<egg>
bofh: PDFs often are often full of weird encodings :-p
<bofh>
OHHHHHHHHHH
<bofh>
Presumably it fucking up CharCodeToUnicode somewhere.
<bofh>
that looks like a fuckup thru a PDFStandardEncoding map.
<egg>
bofh: nah, it's just fonts mapped to ascii somehow
<egg>
bofh: see also: the garbage that comes out of pdflatex on mathematical symbols
<bofh>
Yeah, I just described the most likely mapping :P
<egg>
bofh: although
<egg>
bofh: MOlIHHSI << that has the wrong number of characters
<egg>
could be OCR
<bofh>
Hrm.
<bofh>
Yeah, that is a good point.
<bofh>
And yeah, I could see it misparsing a я as an SI
<egg>
or и: lI л, H н, Η и,
<egg>
ah right я ends up being SI
<egg>
bofh: yeah definitely OCR since it fails on italic latin: "Éclair, moZnya en russe, car ce satellite est « rapide comme l'éclair» au périgée"
<egg>
(that's an l in the text)
<bofh>
LOL
<egg>
bofh: LOL this footnote continues
<egg>
bofh: " Cependant, la qualité recherchée pour ce type de satellite est essentiellement d'être très lent à l'apogée, lorsqu'il survole la Russie! Comment dit-on « escargot » en russe?"
<egg>
cc whitequark
<bofh>
ROFL
<bofh>
CACKLING
<egg>
I probably ought to translate the footnote for whitequark since she's not a толстой character—and perhaps even for bofh: "Lightning, in Russian молния, because this satellite is 'lightning fast' at perigee. However, the property that one seeks for this kind of satellite is effectively to be very slow at apogee, when it flies over Russia! How does one say 'snail' in Russian?"
<UmbralRaptor>
hah
<bofh>
I mean that is eggsactly what I parsed it as. :P
<bofh>
(scientific FR is easiest to read for me)
<bofh>
(at least when they don't invent their own terms every few words, that is)
<egg>
also the OCR dropped the space before the !
<egg>
and before the ?
<whitequark>
egg: улитка
<whitequark>
oh
<whitequark>
escargot
<whitequark>
lol
<egg>
orbite oultika !
<egg>
(note the discrepancy in transliteration between fr and en, molnya vs. molniya)
<egg>
(not sure how you'd transliterate ултика in english)
<egg>
ultika looks weirdly like ultimate
<egg>
the ultimate snail
<whitequark>
oulitka sounds fun
<egg>
*thinks* 2014 MU69 ултика Туля
<egg>
is Туля a good name for a snail
<whitequark>
yeah
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<egg>
!acr -add:DORIS Détermination d’Orbite et Radiopositionnement Intégrés par Satellite
<galois>
Definition added!
<egg>
!acr -add:TOPEX Topography Experiment for Ocean Circulation